XRGB-mini Framemeister

[ruger]

But what console use VGA but dreamcast?

They are not all consoles, but I have the following RGBHV systems hooked up to the XRGB-mini RGB input:
1) Gamecube w/GBA-player with VGA cable (modded YPbPr cable)
2) Commodore Amiga RTG (G-Rex + Voodoo PCI)
3) Commodore 64 w/Chameleon 64
4) Sharp X68000
5) Sharp X1
6) FM Towns HR20 (via FMT-726)
7) Sega Naomi
8 ) RTC2220 (for Xbox1 and Nuon, and soon a modded Colecovision)

I feed them all into an Extron Matrix and just combine H- and V-sync on the output into C-sync using a BNC-T

[Smashbro29]

HDMI passthrough wouldn't be picked up via my capture setup. Caused either black screen or weird scrolling, everything else I tried through the same process worked flawlessly source was 1080p at 60fps and passthrough was definitely on. Furthermore it also seems to mess with color a bit.

Anyone else been trying out that new functionality?

[AkibaDecker]

HDMI passthrough wouldn't be picked up via my capture setup. Caused either black screen or weird scrolling, everything else I tried through the same process worked flawlessly source was 1080p at 60fps and passthrough was definitely on. Furthermore it also seems to mess with color a bit.

Anyone else been trying out that new functionality?

Smashbro, which console or such are you passing through for that session?

[Smashbro29]

HDMI passthrough wouldn't be picked up via my capture setup. Caused either black screen or weird scrolling, everything else I tried through the same process worked flawlessly source was 1080p at 60fps and passthrough was definitely on. Furthermore it also seems to mess with color a bit.

Anyone else been trying out that new functionality?

Smashbro, which console or such are you passing through for that session?

PC monitor via HDMI.

[AkibaDecker]

HDMI passthrough wouldn't be picked up via my capture setup. Caused either black screen or weird scrolling, everything else I tried through the same process worked flawlessly source was 1080p at 60fps and passthrough was definitely on. Furthermore it also seems to mess with color a bit.

Anyone else been trying out that new functionality?

Smashbro, which console or such are you passing through for that session?

PC monitor via HDMI.

Ah. If it were something like PS3 passing through to Framemeister I would have called out the PS3's HDCP protection, but I don't know about your issue

[Smashbro29]

Smashbro, which console or such are you passing through for that session?

PC monitor via HDMI.

Ah. If it were something like PS3 passing through to Framemeister I would have called out the PS3's HDCP protection, but I don't know about your issue

Ironically the PS3 went through just fine.

[AkibaDecker]

Smashbro, which console or such are you passing through for that session?

PC monitor via HDMI.

Ah. If it were something like PS3 passing through to Framemeister I would have called out the PS3's HDCP protection, but I don't know about your issue

Ironically the PS3 went through just fine.

PS3 via component? For 1080p via HDMI for PS3, I have to use an HDCP stripper (before it reaches my Elgato Game Capture HD) in order to pass crisper 1080p...

[Smashbro29]

Smashbro, which console or such are you passing through for that session?

PC monitor via HDMI.

Ah. If it were something like PS3 passing through to Framemeister I would have called out the PS3's HDCP protection, but I don't know about your issue

Ironically the PS3 went through just fine.

PS3 via component? For 1080p via HDMI for PS3, I have to use an HDCP stripper (before it reaches my Elgato Game Capture HD) in order to pass crisper 1080p...

Screw component, I have a stripper somewhere in the chain.

[EmperorZelos]

Question, does anyone know the acctual lag of the framemesiter?

[Fudoh]

24ms for all analogue inputs, no matter if interlaced or progressive.
17ms for progressive inputs on the HDMI inputs.

[EmperorZelos]

24ms for all analogue inputs, no matter if interlaced or progressive.
17ms for progressive inputs on the HDMI inputs.

so for an analogue input and a TV with a 6ms delay that would be 30ms which is slightly less than a normal frame at 30hz which if I recall correctly is unnoticible to people, correct?

[Fudoh]

Let's say it's pretty much ok for most people. On a 60Hz/60fps input one frame equals 16.7ms, so Framemeister + TV combined that's nearly 2 frames.

[AkibaDecker]

I have a HoneyBee Adapter to play any format SNES games with any Super Famicom (JP/NTSC) or Super Nintendo (NTSC).

I used the SFC to play Japanese games through the Framemeister, but any North American released games don't seem to show any video. Audio comes through, but no video.

We also tried through my friend's SNES Mini (North America/NTSC) and got the same result using American released cartridges.

The cable I'm using is this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200973947377?ss ... 1423.l2649

I tried messing with Sync Level but that didn't seem to yield any results (no video, only audio still).

Might anyone have run into this issue or know of a solution?

EDIT: So I also tried with my NTSC Super NES and the cable works fine.

Results:
1. No video signal displayed when playing US Games on Super Famicom (Japan). Audio only.
2. No video signal displayed when playing US Games on SNES Mini (USA). Audio only
3. Video signal OK on US Games with SNES (USA). Audio OK also.

Might anyone know the reasons for this? Was there some sort of signal difference or restriction if one tried to play SNES games via a Japanese Super Famicom (even if using an adapter)? It's weird the SNES Mini wouldn't show video although a standard, full-size SNES would with my cable to the Framemeister. Thanks, all.

[Smashbro29]

24ms for all analogue inputs, no matter if interlaced or progressive.
17ms for progressive inputs on the HDMI inputs.

So we did confirm HDMI passthrough isn't gonna cut it?

[Fudoh]

HDMI passthrough is actually lagfree. Maybe 1 or 1.5ms of additional delay, but it's fine. It also passes full 4:4:4 color resolution, so the Marvell processor is indeed bypassed.

[Fudoh]

@AkibaDecker: I experienced the same when using a Honey Bee adapter on the Mega Drive. Can't exactly tell you why. On the SNES I used another port expansion adapter and it's totally fine with US carts.

[AkibaDecker]

@AkibaDecker: I experienced the same when using a Honey Bee adapter on the Mega Drive. Can't exactly tell you why. On the SNES I used another port expansion adapter and it's totally fine with US carts.

Hmm thanks for the note! But I wonder why SNES Mini wouldn't work and SNES Fat would. Both are NTSC, US systems by the way.

[Smashbro29]

HDMI passthrough is actually lagfree. Maybe 1 or 1.5ms of additional delay, but it's fine. It also passes full 4:4:4 color resolution, so the Marvell processor is indeed bypassed.

Fascinating, I'm gonna give it another go.

It is the oddest thing, fine without yet via passthrough I get this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGhFd9G8 ... e=youtu.be it shows up just fine on my TV and the other monitor.

PC-mini-HDMI 4x2 switch - HDMI splitter (for HDCP) - capture card/another monitor (why not?)

[EmperorZelos]

Let's say it's pretty much ok for most people. On a 60Hz/60fps input one frame equals 16.7ms, so Framemeister + TV combined that's nearly 2 frames.

yes in 60hz its 2 frames but I use framemeister for old games where it is 60 or 50i which is 30 or 25p which is what I count for and there it is a frame which ought to not be noticible am I right?

[BuckoA51]

Most old games are 240p or 288p rather than interlace.

[EmperorZelos]

Most old games are 240p or 288p rather than interlace.

Really old yes, but GC and PS2 are interlaced
it would still be 30p or 60i

[ZellSF]

30 fps progressive and 60 fps interlaced isn't the same thing... nor does the input refresh rate have anything to do with how much lag the xrgb-mini or your tv generates.

[Fudoh]

very common misconception, isn't it ? I always get people who think that a deinterlaced 60i signal results in a progressive 30fps signal, while you get a true 60Hz 60fps signal of course.

[EmperorZelos]

very common misconception, isn't it ? I always get people who think that a deinterlaced 60i signal results in a progressive 30fps signal, while you get a true 60Hz 60fps signal of course.

I know the differens perfectly well XD just being very clumpsy now, ah well!

[CT Chibo]

Hi everyone, working with my new Framemeister
Been looking everywhere, can someone help guide me please on how to change the v sync/lock setting and the a/d level?

Also, any recommendations for N64 settings?

[Smashbro29]

Hi everyone, working with my new Framemeister
Been looking everywhere, can someone help guide me please on how to change the v sync/lock setting and the a/d level?

Also, any recommendations for N64 settings?

My N64 looks great with RGB, 720p, scanlines and whatever it came with.

[EmperorZelos]

Hi everyone, working with my new Framemeister
Been looking everywhere, can someone help guide me please on how to change the v sync/lock setting and the a/d level?

Also, any recommendations for N64 settings?

My N64 looks great with RGB, 720p, scanlines and whatever it came with.

Considering most dont have modded N64s I'd place my bet on that Chibo doesn't either

[pyrotek85]

Hi everyone, working with my new Framemeister
Been looking everywhere, can someone help guide me please on how to change the v sync/lock setting and the a/d level?

Also, any recommendations for N64 settings?

My N64 looks great with RGB, 720p, scanlines and whatever it came with.

Considering most dont have modded N64s I'd place my bet on that Chibo doesn't either

I think it's worth modding if he hasn't though, especially after paying that much for a Mini. I know I wanted the best I could get out of it. Did the same for the SNES, and now both look beautiful.

It also wasn't terribly complicated either, and the parts were very cheap.

[EmperorZelos]

Considering most dont have modded N64s I'd place my bet on that Chibo doesn't either

I think it's worth modding if he hasn't though, especially after paying that much for a Mini. I know I wanted the best I could get out of it. Did the same for the SNES, and now both look beautiful.

It also wasn't terribly complicated either, and the parts were very cheap.

This I agree with, I have a modded N64 and its fantastic

[Smashbro29]

Hi everyone, working with my new Framemeister
Been looking everywhere, can someone help guide me please on how to change the v sync/lock setting and the a/d level?

Also, any recommendations for N64 settings?

My N64 looks great with RGB, 720p, scanlines and whatever it came with.

Considering most dont have modded N64s I'd place my bet on that Chibo doesn't either

Excellent point, that slipped my mind.