Too close for comfort? the revival?

[mirkvid]

OK, so a I'm thinking of getting a laptop in the near future instead of a JPXbox 360. Do the newer MAME-available shmup ROMS run alright? Do they require a 64 bit CPU to run properly?

Sorry if this has been covered before.(no I'm not )

[mdsfx]

OK, so a I'm thinking of getting a laptop in the near future instead of a JPXbox 360. Do the newer MAME-available shmup ROMS run alright? Do they require a 64 bit CPU to run properly?

Sorry if this has been covered before.(no I'm not )

I am on a 32bit system with a 3.1ghz core 2 duo and an older Radeon 4750 (not sure if the card matters) and everything runs exceptionally well with the exception of a few hiccups in Muchi Muchi Pork and Pink Sweets. Haven't tried Ibara yet...

[BPzeBanshee]

You're better off with that JP360. The slowdown is nonexistant and performance requirements for the newer games will require something close to a gaming PC anyway.

[AntiFritz]

OK, so a I'm thinking of getting a laptop in the near future instead of a JPXbox 360. Do the newer MAME-available shmup ROMS run alright? Do they require a 64 bit CPU to run properly?

Sorry if this has been covered before.(no I'm not )

All cpus sold in the last like 10 years are 64bit.

[Nasirosuchus]

You're better off with that JP360. The slowdown is nonexistant and performance requirements for the newer games will require something close to a gaming PC anyway.

The slowdown is available in Metallic's slowpoke build.

The only component that really matters is the CPU power. The GPU doesn't make any siginificant difference, and as long as you have 2-4GB of RAM, you're fine.

[Nasirosuchus]

OK, so a I'm thinking of getting a laptop in the near future instead of a JPXbox 360. Do the newer MAME-available shmup ROMS run alright? Do they require a 64 bit CPU to run properly?

Sorry if this has been covered before.(no I'm not )

All cpus sold in the last like 10 years are 64bit.

More like the last 5-6 years. You'd have a pretty hard time finding a 64-bit CPU from 2002.

[Jockel]

So, would this be port-able to the Dreamcast? The SH4 shouldn't have much trouble dealing with SH3 instructions, or am I just being dense again?
I'm asking because I'd love to play SH3 games in my cab...

[kevenz]

I don't think you will ever see SH3 games on the dreamcast, it's just not enough powerful.

I remember in 1999 the fuzz about Bleemcast which ran ps1 games on the dc.... it was slow and buggy.

[moozooh]

Bleemcast did not port games to SH4's native code. Then you have the ports of Mushi and Ibara running "just fine" (i.e. faster than needed at times) on the PS2, a system that is even less capable than Dreamcast.

The other point, of course, is that Cave obviously won't do it themselves nor share the code and other original assets. One would have to steal them to make proper ports.

[raiod]

It's a shame the iMame4all app is not made from a newer mame version, but i think the ipad would lack the power to play DOJ or Ketsui...
Nevertheless, Dodonpachi and Esp. RaDe work MARVELLOUS!

[KNTain]

Is there a list of per-game values for Slowpoke anywhere?

[BPzeBanshee]

You're better off with that JP360. The slowdown is nonexistant and performance requirements for the newer games will require something close to a gaming PC anyway.

The slowdown is available in Metallic's slowpoke build.

The slowdown in Metallic's build is still not precisely accurate to the PCBs for reasons other than the blitter fillrate, as stated previously in this thread, in addition to graphics issues on some machines, and the performance requirement which is still considerably higher than your average MAME arcade game.

Is there a list of per-game values for Slowpoke anywhere?

There was about two whole pages of people's idea of the right fillrate for each game if you just look through the thread. Deathsmiles is at it's closest to the Xbox 360 port at 63%.

[Nasirosuchus]

The slowdown in Metallic's build is still not precisely accurate to the PCBs for reasons other than the blitter fillrate, as stated previously in this thread, in addition to graphics issues on some machines.......

The slowdown in the ports isn't precisely accurate to the PCB's, either. No emulated game ever runs 100% accurate to the original. Esp.Ra.De has graphical glitches, the PGM games (Ketsui, DDP:DOJ, and Espgaluda) have inaccurate sound, the video emulation in Shienryu isn't quite right, I could go on and on. In all cases, however, the games are still playable.

and the performance requirement which is still considerably higher than your average MAME arcade game.

Most desktop PC's, even those made by OEM's like Dell and HP, for example, are powerful enough to run these games. The only component that really matters is the speed of the CPU, and when you consider that many of the people who are into shmups are avid gamers and tech enthusiasts who build their own rigs, they should have enough machine to cut the mustard.

[burgerkingdiamond]

It's a shame the iMame4all app is not made from a newer mame version, but i think the ipad would lack the power to play DOJ or Ketsui...
Nevertheless, Dodonpachi and Esp. RaDe work MARVELLOUS!

thats pretty cool

[shmuppyLove]

I realized just recently that my 143u9 setup won't play ESPGaluda any more ... it has previously worked fine, and I even re-downloaded it from the latest full set (144) and it still doesn't work.

Audit is showing this:
espgal : espgal_igs027a.bin (16384 bytes) - NOT FOUND - NO GOOD DUMP KNOWN

Did it get nerfed recently? Is there somewhere you can look up the "history" of a set to see when/if the status has changed?

[mjclark]

And in other news...I just bought Deathsmiles Deluxe for 360- it was just sitting on the shelf in Torquay Gamestation and I realised I had to have it after I'd enjoyed it so much on MAME.
Playing it on 360 with all the different modes is obviously a vastly superior experience and I can't imagine how anyone could think that being able to play arcade versions of these games on their PC would put them off buying the ports-in fact exactly the opposite: playing this on MAME made me want to buy the port.
Same goes for Raiden IV- it that was available as a PAL release...

[IseeThings]

I realized just recently that my 143u9 setup won't play ESPGaluda any more ... it has previously worked fine, and I even re-downloaded it from the latest full set (144) and it still doesn't work.

Audit is showing this:
espgal : espgal_igs027a.bin (16384 bytes) - NOT FOUND - NO GOOD DUMP KNOWN

Did it get nerfed recently? Is there somewhere you can look up the "history" of a set to see when/if the status has changed?

No, that's a harmless warning that you don't have a file which isn't dumped anyway. In this case the protection device is simulated.

I made some optimizations in 0.144u6 to help the Cave PGM games on lower end systems, maybe they were just broken for some other reason in 143u9...

[moa]

Hello

Special message to xMetalliCx
Any chance to see a new Slowpoke version based on 144u7?

Displays timings have been rewritten in 144u7
resulting a great improvement in many games, esp. shmups

Try your fav games with it

Thank you for your hard work

[joeboto]

http://demul.emulation64.com/

new WIP
does cavesh3 works?
havent got time to try it.

[mjclark]

http://demul.emulation64.com/

new WIP
does cavesh3 works?
havent got time to try it.

There's no run SH3 option in the menu- pussies!
But...Illvelo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joeboto]

http://demul.emulation64.com/

new WIP
does cavesh3 works?
havent got time to try it.

There's no run SH3 option in the menu- pussies!
But...Illvelo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

urgh...
and i thought Demul team ignore the warning..
anyway, Illvelo! nice...

[mjclark]

But what's the system requirements- I've tried Illvelo and it's running worse than Dolphin emulator and everything's choppy.
Boo!

EDIT: Thanks to BeruBeru's suggestion I changed the video plugin and now it's working great!

[joeboto]

But what's the system requirements- I've tried Illvelo and it's running worse than Dolphin emulator and everything's choppy.
Boo!

is there any 32/64 bit choices in this new release? and what the hell is WinCE games?

[BPzeBanshee]

Stirring the controversy pot again, but...

You are totally misunderstood me. I mean Cave, as well as other companies, have no rights (and laws) to forbid someone to emulate something. It's totally legal.
All they can - is just write letters with threats in the hope that someone is scared of them.

There's no run SH3 option in the menu- pussies!

Well, looks like Demul guys "got scared of them" after all.

Jokes aside, and SH3 being truly underground aside, I think the Demul dev's contibutions are more noticable in the emulators that are currently on the edge of what's being worked on right now, namely Supermodel and MAME/MESS, rather than Demul itself. Personally I think it's a shame as the performance increase would've been beautiful, but it's their choice in the end.

[joeboto]

Jokes aside, and SH3 being truly underground aside, I think the Demul dev's contibutions are more noticable in the emulators that are currently on the edge of what's being worked on right now, namely Supermodel and MAME/MESS, rather than Demul itself. Personally I think it's a shame as the performance increase would've been beautiful, but it's their choice in the end.

yeah. i really wanna see sh3 with dynarec support. and hopefully DFK.

[mjclark]

Bah! Months of exciting tense build up only to be bitterly disappointed and totally let down at the end- it's like that final episode of Sons Of Anarchy...

EDIT: Changing the video plugin has got this running fine now. I'm eating my words, hat etc.

[BPzeBanshee]

C'mon guys. Let's be optimistic. They helped Supermodel, which has the best game of all!

DO!! DO DO - DO!!

DO DO...

DAYTONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

[IseeThings]

Stirring the controversy pot again, but...

You are totally misunderstood me. I mean Cave, as well as other companies, have no rights (and laws) to forbid someone to emulate something. It's totally legal.
All they can - is just write letters with threats in the hope that someone is scared of them.

There's no run SH3 option in the menu- pussies!

Well, looks like Demul guys "got scared of them" after all.

I doubt Cave has anything to do with it.

The Demul guys had their emulator leaked over these games. Disrespectful act #1. People then simply bitched and moaned about it, despite it clearly being an old alpha / beta. Disrespectful act #2.

They then contributed to MAME, and were abused by the community over the source of the 'slow poke' build with people demanding it even after Cave had asked for no more MAME sources supporting SH3 to be distributed. People in general were also complaining it wasn't good enough. Disrespectful acts #3 / 4.

People have continued to compile in the MAME code despite being asked not to do so as well, and continued to abuse us over the performance of it, despite it being one of the most tightly optimized drivers done in recent times. Abuse has also not stopped over the initial removal (apparently devs suck, uh, who wrote the code again?) and I have to wonder if some of the recent hack attempts on my mail / blog have been to try and get certain code / romsets. Disrespectful acts #5,6,7.

Would you, in the shoes of a developer, have any intention of doing something just to keep that crowd happy? I sure wouldn't, I'd just say f**k you to the lot of them. I doubt they're scared of Cave because in emulating something they haven't actually broken any laws, however the attitude and behavior of other people surrounding this makes it completely not worthwhile. Even here the insults continue. Disrespectful act #8.

So basically you only have yourselves to blame for the missing SH3 support.

[mjclark]

So basically you only have yourselves to blame for the missing SH3 support.

MAME's underlying philosophy of preserving arcade games for the future should surely help the devs not to take things personally since they are fulfilling some kind of vision.
I appreciate that this isn't the case for the Demul devs but blaming the removal of SH3 emulation on others is a bit of a cheap shot and makes them sound like either primadonnas or pussys or both.
There's a lot of great work being done here which is very much appreciated but this is a real letdown considering the number of SH3 screenshots posted on the Demul forums and the build up. Maybe the delay in release was just cos they were too embarassed that they'd woosed out...

Now for the good news: Illvelo's running great thanks to the genius suggestion of BeruBeru to change the default video plugin.
Maybe the next season of Sons Of Anarchy will also be excellent

[BPzeBanshee]

Controversy pot stirred. Serious mode on.

I don't see the 'insults' here being any different from say, the days of whenever x platform got emulated, for example the comments on YouTube/4chan/emucr/etc regarding Demul irrespective of the SH3 support specifically seem all the same. Furthermore, the approach with which this was taken I think aggravated the responses you got a lot more than if it was taken on a different route. If I went and showed off some cutting-edge in development game for example, and then posted more teaser videos to piss people off, people would be pissed off, of course. Posting vids with vague info definitely got on some peoples nerves which is probably the beginning of the "Disrespectful acts" you mention.

Honestly I think you're talking sense Haze, but at the same time you can't just blame a bunch of guys who you guys yourselves spurred on with what has come public and claim it had nothing to the way this was handled. Mysterious private C&D letters? Cutting-edge games getting emulated on a system meant for stuff 10years+ old? Misinformation everywhere? As if the masses alone could do it. It's like saying Julia Gillard got in government because the people voted for her - it's not quite right, she got the support of other factional powers and independent members etc. boiling down to more than one factor than just "ourselves".