Cave's petition for release of Region-free games

[Skykid]

Im against this petition, I think that they should keep it for japanese xbox 360. A true shmupper would be willing to buy a new 360 just so that he can play a few shooting games. I strongly stand beside my words.

How dare someone enjoys YOUR games in another way than yours.

Twat.

A++ would order again.

Ha ha - that didn't make much sense but it was funny.

I can't believe how many first time posters are in this thread.

[brentsg]

I'd have to look into it more closely, but I think to gather and post that information publicly in the USA would be illegal in some states. There are a lot of new PII (personally identifiable information) laws going into effect that prohibit this.

There are also some such laws in the EU.

Those laws (prospective and real) apply to other people posting your information, in this case the people are posting it of their own accord for the express purpose of it being posted to Cave.

There still may be some legal liability for those that develop the petition, and publicly host it.. regardless of whether the individuals gave the information for that purpose.

[Ed Oscuro]

I can't believe how many first time posters are in this thread.

Great minds think alike - I noticed that too.

There still may be some legal liability for those that develop the petition, and publicly host it.. regardless of whether the individuals gave the information for that purpose.

Eh? This is a freedom of speech matter as far as I can tell. Please explain what they would be liable for.

[brentsg]

There still may be some legal liability for those that develop the petition, and publicly host it.. regardless of whether the individuals gave the information for that purpose.

Eh? This is a freedom of speech matter as far as I can tell. Please explain what they would be liable for.

I'm not in the legal profession, but I work with PCI and PII data security and the related policies every day. It's got nothing to do with free speech.

Now don't confuse how you THINK things should work with how they -might- work. And also remember that the -might- scenario is often a very expensive one to explore when it comes to legal matters.

I go to McDonalds and order a cup of hot coffee. They give me a cup of hot coffee, which I spill and burn myself. I sue McDonalds and win because the hot coffee I wanted was hot (ok it was scalding, so maybe not a perfect example). It was found that McD's and the customer both shared fault.

So I setup a website and ask people to post their personal information online. They do... willingly. Someone steals the data that was accumulated and hosted online. They use to perpetrate some fraud, steal some identities, whatever. Maybe a completely innocent person gets defrauded in the process and sues everyone. Maybe I realize it was stupid to post my info publicly but now that I'm a "victim" I sue the people who requested my data because "I didn't know better".

All I'm saying is that there's plenty of room for shared responsibility here, especially in light of all the current movement to protect such data. And even if the court takes the common sense route, just defending yourself can be an expensive proposition.

Anyways this turned into more than I intended, all I originally wanted to do was state that 1) the petition shouldn't ask for all that data... 2) if it's collected to be shared with Cave fine, but it shouldn't be publicly posted, and 3) people shouldn't be posting that much data about themselves publicly. It's just the world we live in now.

Peace.

[orange]

holy shit

[cul]

I can't believe how many first time posters are in this thread.

Great minds think alike - I noticed that too.

There still may be some legal liability for those that develop the petition, and publicly host it.. regardless of whether the individuals gave the information for that purpose.

Eh? This is a freedom of speech matter as far as I can tell. Please explain what they would be liable for.

You can get a lot of sensible things just with a complete name, and a birthdate. Honestly this is the internet, I would never post my full name/birthdate/location on a public forum.
Now according to French's law, this petition's creators are accountable for the use of this list, and if anyone wants their information removed from the list, the creator must do it, or could be prosecuted. And even if people want their name in the list for a credibility issue, it shouldn't be displayed on a public page just for common sense's sake.

Anyway : http://www.cnil.fr/english/the-cnil/rig ... ligations/

[ChurchOfSolipsism]

Im against this petition, I think that they should keep it for japanese xbox 360. A true shmupper would be willing to buy a new 360 just so that he can play a few shooting games. I strongly stand beside my words.

How dare someone enjoys YOUR games in another way than yours.

Twat.

Hahaha yeah what a dumbass/ mediocre troll.

[Blade Runner]

Blade Runner / London, UK.

[Dragoforce]

I can't believe how many first time posters are in this thread.

Great minds think alike - I noticed that too.

I did it first! And I think will continue, the shmups group on facebook just sent a message to all it's members regarding the petition.

[EPS21]

You know now that Deathsmiles is confirmed for localization, with possibly more to follow, I think Cave would have absolutely no interest in making their jp releases region free now. Keep signing away anyways, who knows!

[emphatic]

I can't believe how many first time posters are in this thread.

Great minds think alike - I noticed that too.

Now just wait a god damn minute! This thing is rigged?

[yokriki2000]

Yokriki2000/Raul Palomino/24-10-1977/Barcelona,Spain/raulito2k@hotmail.es

[Jimjuku]

Topic modified due to some members' remarks and observations, so that only leave you pseudo, city and country if you wanna sign the petition.

I think everybody is fine with that now ?

[Jimjuku]

For those who have already sign the petition and prefer to remove some of your datas (like birthday, e-mail adress or name) feel free to do it.
The most important is to have signatures !

[cul]

For those who have already sign the petition and prefer to remove some of your datas (like birthday, e-mail adress or name) feel free to do it.
The most important is to have signatures !

I only gave nick and country, you can add my city:

Cul, Neuchâtel, Switzerland

[PsikyoPshumpPshooterP]

PsikyoPshmupPshooterP/Boston/USA

[BIL]

Bill / UK

[Engineer]

Engineer/CT/USA

[TrevHead (TVR)]

You know now that Deathsmiles is confirmed for localization, with possibly more to follow, I think Cave would have absolutely no interest in making their jp releases region free now. Keep signing away anyways, who knows!

All we know is that its going stateside, which if its region locked (if DS is budget priced it will be) is a bit of a kick in the teeth for everybody in the eurozone and elsewhere - thats why allot of the pertitioners are from europe,

[UltraMega MC]

I can't believe how many first time posters are in this thread.

Well, you can add one more to the first-timer list.

After lurking the site off and on for years, I decided it was finally time to join the fun. Plus, I REALLY wanted to do anything within my power to try "speaking" some sense into Cave--we need shooters in the US, and they're practically the only ones making them!

So, please add me to the petition list.

UltraMega MC; Cincinnati, OH, USA

[Jockel]

I go to McDonalds and order a cup of hot coffee. They give me a cup of hot coffee, which I spill and burn myself. I sue McDonalds and win because the hot coffee I wanted was hot (ok it was scalding, so maybe not a perfect example).

Referring to a case... you're doing it wrong.

[brentsg]

I go to McDonalds and order a cup of hot coffee. They give me a cup of hot coffee, which I spill and burn myself. I sue McDonalds and win because the hot coffee I wanted was hot (ok it was scalding, so maybe not a perfect example).

Referring to a case... you're doing it wrong.

wha?

[Dale]

Dale-Sterling Heights-Michigan-United States

[t0yrobo]

t0yrobo / Grand Rapids / Michigan

[Alfred]

Alfred Saxon - Berkshire - England.

[joeks]

Barry Buise - Goes - The Netherlands.

[littlenemo]

Hi everybody

I'm french too and coming from the shmup.com forum to support that initiative, I just wanted to add a few thoughts :

I am, like many of you, very reluctant at giving personal infos on public forums, I might say I am even more paranoid regarding that subject to the point I don't have a Facebook page, nor a my space page etc etc...

That doesn't change the fact that a petition cannot be honestly taking seriously if you don't have minimum authenticity to it by giving minimum infos : I could as well forge a petition of 2 billions fake names and mail addresses, that petition wouldn't have a slightest impact upon Cave's mind ,and unfortunately, this is starting to look a bit like that...

Now what I suggest, and this is exactly what I did on shmup.com, is sending your personal infos to Jimjuku via private message, infos wich be shown only on the final mail to Cave , I can appeal to his discretion and loyalty (my pseudo on shmup.com if you want to check is Jehuda), it will be more complicated for him to regroup everything but by doing that, we will definitely attach more credibility to the petition.

After saying all of that, I'd like to strongly express my gratitude to those of you who support the cause, and I have good hopes Cave will be very sensible to it, regarding how they reacted when they received all the "foreigners mail" during the XBLA port survey.

Cheers

[Skykid]

Bill / UK

Lol!

Here's mine:

Nelson Mandela - Ukraine


(No-one likes a cynic, but lets face it, you might just have to buy a Jap 360.)

[littlenemo]

If by any chance, the responsible for the petition didn't know what historical figure nelson mandela was, and added your tag to the petition, that would certainly discredit it completely.

Now you have the right to be cynical and to ignore practical solutions to give your infos and still keeping them private, among those I provided, to think that this petition is as useless as asking a professional forum troll to be polite, but at least please be respectful of those who spend time and energy bringing such initiatives concrete, wether you approve them or not.

PS : I do have a jap 360 , strange world isn't it ?

[roker]

You know now that Deathsmiles is confirmed for localization, with possibly more to follow, I think Cave would have absolutely no interest in making their jp releases region free now. Keep signing away anyways, who knows!

agreed. If they make it region free, it'll make it less attractive for oversea publishers to pick it up.

I'm signing it anyway.