Your favorite nutjob conspiracy theories

[Skykid]

Nice response.

I totaly didn't expect you to make me feel guilty about my comments now.

No point in being on poor terms over nothing at all. The world will be a nicer place if people just stop fighting eh?

Take it easy dude.

[antron]

For some events, people who deny a clear cause are doing harm. One may be free to speak their theory but do not deserve to be free from ridicule. Once it's clear that reason can't sway someone, society needs to do everything it can to belittle them.

For example, every Holocaust denier bring us a little closer to Holocaust II. Germany must someday decriminalize denying the Holocaust but will have to keep them in check.

And in the case of 9/11 we have to solve the problem or why it happened in the first place (getting the Arab world to quit giving money to very evil, very smart men). How are we going to do this if so many people don't even acknowledge who did it?

I shouldn't take it personal, but I am an American.

[DEL]

EDIT 20.08.11 - Yup, still updating - until I am proved wrong

1st vid on page: Remember Building 7
http://www.ae911truth.org/

&
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-27/9 ... -testimony

[antron]

@DEL

You know, I could argue against the BiG Bang Theory until I was blue in the face but it wouldn't mean anything because I obviously don't have the tools to really understand it.

Do you really have the tools to understand skyscraper collapse?

[Lloyd Mangram]

It's Friday night, I've just come back from the pub, and I'm in a very non-argumentative mood..

So all I'm going to say is, DEL, my Reptilian masters appreciate your concern, and they've requested that you remain at your current whereabouts while they dispatch a Direct Education And Tactical Handling squad to your location in order to answer any further questions you might have.

[crithit5000]

Stuff like the firecrew member in front of wtc7 saying on live camera "clear the area, the bulding's coming down" before it dropped. Foreknowledge like that is odd.

Of all the people who I'd expect to know when a building is going to collapse, an experienced fireman would probably be one of them. Edit: I'm sure that sort of thinking would probably lump me in as a co-conspirator, trusting a government official and all

That bulding was suffering fires, hadn't been struck by a Boeing and the structural load failure/pancake theory clearly could not apply to it, plus no tall building had ever collapsed from fires before that day.

The shit-ton of debris that hit WTC7 when WTC1 collapsed doesn't count for anything? I'm usually all for questioning things and keeping an open mind, and indeed, we may never know everything about 9/11 100%. But you can't just ignore huge amounts of a building twice the size of WTC7 impacting it and go "OOOOOOOOOOOH MYSTERY AFOOT".

[DEL]

maybe

[antron]

maybe

that's exactly what NIST says about WTC7. they don't pretend to know everything about its collapse.

but DEL, what's left to blame? pre-planted explosives? the level of conspiracy that suggests would seriously bring your mentality, if not intellegence, into question.

[Ed Oscuro]

If the Patriots could sink two freighters in New York, and explode Big Shell without anybody knowing, then we are all doomed!!!11

Anyway, haven't we already been over this? WTC7 was originally thought to have been brought down by falling debris carving out a critical load-bearing column facing the towers, but the report afterward found that the falling debris' main contribution was starting fires which swept each part of WTC7 for less than half an hour each, causing an internal load-bearing column to fail. This report wasn't out until just a few years ago.

p.s. I mentioned a new favorite conspiracy in my Scariest Thing thread: Obama using a rumor control operation to squelch the First Amendment.

[crithit5000]

As was stated already in that thread by Spec:

They can't get over the fact a black man is president. They just can't say so directly.

Really, the whole "Obama is really ______" (not American, a Socialist, a Communist, taking away our freedom to ______) thing is just a front for the word they really want to fill in the blank with. Oh crap, it sounds like I'm starting a conspiracy!

[BryanM]

Obama is really a white guy

[BulletMagnet]

Obama is really a white guy

Well, Clinton was really a black guy (and Gore and Kerry were "too European") so it all balances out.

[1up]

I remember back in gradeschool back in the mid-80s when AIDS was the hype, one of my schoolmates whos dad was in the medical sector, told me that AIDS came to be when an african couple had sex covered in monkeys blood?

I never asked who told him that or why?

[E. Randy Dupre]

And in the case of 9/11 we have to solve the problem or why it happened in the first place (getting the Arab world to quit giving money to very evil, very smart men). How are we going to do this if so many people don't even acknowledge who did it?

The US had a fairly large hand in creating the Taliban.

You create your own demons, and all that.

[undamned]

I mentioned a new favorite conspiracy in my Scariest Thing thread: Obama using a rumor control operation to squelch the First Amendment.

Isn't that effectively what the flag@whitehouse.gov thing was? Why can't people freely badmouth things they disagree with?
-ud

[DEL]

EDIT 20.08.11 - Yup, still updating - until I am proved wrong

1st vid on page: Remember Building 7
http://www.ae911truth.org/

&
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-27/9 ... -testimony

[antron]

I mentioned a new favorite conspiracy in my Scariest Thing thread: Obama using a rumor control operation to squelch the First Amendment.

Isn't that effectively what the flag@whitehouse.gov thing was? Why can't people freely badmouth things they disagree with?
-ud

why can't people create a website to list all the bullshit peolpe are freely speaking about? isn't that free speach too?

[BryanM]

(which may be less important as hydrogen powered cars gain more support -> Honda/California)

Hydrogen will never happen. The laws of physics have rendered it impossible. Exxon will have to find something else to do with itself. Car makers will have to suck up the loss in profits from dozens of parts wearing out.

[Ex-Cyber]

why can't people create a website to list all the bullshit peolpe are freely speaking about? isn't that free speach too?

You don't understand. Obama's making a list of patriotic dissenters that he'll give to his ACORN stormtroopers and they'll come to your house and turn your kids black.

[BulletMagnet]

You don't understand. Obama's making a list of patriotic dissenters that he'll give to his ACORN stormtroopers and they'll come to your house and turn your kids black.

And gay, don't forget gay!

[DEL]

EDIT 20.08.11 - Yup, still updating - until I am proved wrong

1st vid on page: Remember Building 7http://www.ae911truth.org/

&
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-27/9 ... -testimony

[antron]

Aw Hell, Charlie Sheen is just as nuts as me:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... ssage.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HczC73EC ... re=related
Like me, he's not pointing fingers, just asking questions about oddities.

Anyway, moving past the physical stuff of the day you get Michael Ruppert and this speech in November 2001:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9024486145#
I found a lot of it fascinating. Not the Peak Oil stuff (which may be less important as hydrogen powered cars gain more support -> Honda/California), but his assertion that at least 500billion Dollars of drug money gets laundered by America every year and that the US Stock Exchange is very reliant on it. He gives a hypothetical scenario of a Cartel kingpin calling an exec in General Electric and ordering 200mil of legit GE product, thereby laundering the ca$h. It would be safe to assume that GE wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth and accept the 200mil.....& so on with other large companies.

He also mentioned the companies behind the correctional infrastructure in the US actually calling for more inmates to fill the jails because its a good money earner for them. Needless to say the US has one third of all incarcerated people in the World at the moment. Somebody had told me about this before, but this is the first time I'd seen it documented.

He also mentions the 6 x higher than normal 'put options' on the two Airlines that remain unclaimed (no surprise ).
In short, I was impressed at Mr Ruppert's knowledge just two months after the 2001 Attacks. His line at the time was not based on the physical oddities of the actual attacks, but on the fact that the US Authorities "Let it happen" (his words) despite being forewarned by Mossad and other sources. The Israeli firm in one of the Twin Towers - ZIM Shipping (I think?) vacated their office 1 week before the Attacks, breaking their lease.
You can see the guy has his own personal battleaxe to grind, but if you look beyond that, a lot of the facts he's disseminating are real eye-openers.

Now do you have 2 hours and 17 minutes to spare

claiming that a FEW people at the top simply let it happen is about as close to a conspiracy theory as you can get while remaining in the realm of intelligence. some people who are a lot more intellectually accomplished than charlie sheen have signed the 911truth.org petition (like howard zinn). as far as science is concerned, it's a safe position. and if only a few people knew they could have kept quiet. but ALL events like this come with these theories, think Pearl Harbor, and the Lusitania. you're nothing new and no one will give a shit about this when you're all dead.

about the coincidences, picture you are on a trip far away and see someone you know. what are the chances of that you say? but did you stop to think about ALL the people you saw on your trip that you DIDN'T know? you are only counting the events that help your story, what about everything else?

[BryanM]

It already has happened.

I'm talking about as the standard, not just as an expensive lawn statue. The only reason hydrogen has as much press as it does, is some very rich people wish the fairy tale was true. Sorry, but electric has won that fight.

Now if they'd spend some dough on those vactrains..... with perhaps the lowest amount of friction you'll be able to attain on land, these could move at a max of around 4,000 mph; it's like teleportation speeds.

[antron]

It already has happened.

I'm talking about as the standard, not just as an expensive lawn statue. The only reason hydrogen has as much press as it does, is some very rich people wish the fairy tale was true. Sorry, but electric has won that fight.

Now if they'd spend some dough on those vactrains..... with perhaps the lowest amount of friction you'll be able to attain on land, these could move at a max of around 4,000 mph; it's like teleportation speeds.

why compare hydrogen to electricity? compare it to a different chemical battery. that's all hydrogen is when it's in fuel cell powering an electric motor. were some companies looking at combusting it?

[BryanM]

why compare hydrogen to electricity? compare it to a different chemical battery. that's all hydrogen is when it's in fuel cell powering an electric motor. were some companies looking at combusting it?

I don't quite follow?

Hydrogen is consumed in the reaction to generate electricity. The support infrastructure required is more like gas, with the added annoyance of it being a fat slippery eel. It's one very long chain of energy loss at every step.

[Ex-Cyber]

Now if they'd spend some dough on those vactrains..... with perhaps the lowest amount of friction you'll be able to attain on land, these could move at a max of around 4,000 mph; it's like teleportation speeds.

What's the acceleration/deceleration rate, though? Above a certain point top speed is meaningless because you'd never hit it.

[BryanM]

What's the acceleration/deceleration rate, though? Above a certain point top speed is meaningless because you'd never hit it.

Low enough to not annoy grannies. A coast to coast trip or one from New York to London would top out at an operational average speed of around 2500. You could still circle the globe in a day with short jumps of that size.

[DEL]

EDIT 20.08.11 - Yup, still updating - until I am proved wrong

1st vid on page: Remember Building 7
http://www.ae911truth.org/

&
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-27/9 ... -testimony

[adversity1]

Your information on Silverstein is completely wrong, probably willfully so.

[BulletMagnet]

Maybe I missed this one in real time simply because I wasn't paying attention, but I've got to say that, nuts though he may be, one of the last people I expected to jump on the "9-11 Truth" train is Pat Buchanan.