My PS3 is collecting dust :(

[ROBOTRON]

You claim that there are no games for PS3. There quite obviously are. In addition, most of last year's most popular console games are available for PS3.

Considering that PS3 has been out for only ~2 years (while it's been ~3 for 360), how much more do you expect? For the short period it's been on the market, that list is quite long already.

Yeah, but I hate FPS...that wipes out 90% of the PS3 library (for me). Only games I play on it now are:

Everyday Shooter
Power-Up Forever
Soldner-X
flOw
Battle Fantasia

BF was my last purchase...I'm getting tired of playing the others on that list. I'm playing PS2 games more than PS3.

[undamned]

I'm no huge PS3 proponent, as I use it as a BluRay player 99% of the time it's on, but I'm surprised nobody has hailed "Heavenly Sword." The only downfall I can think of is how short it is. That aside, it's truely a blast to play, full of exciting moments. It also has awesome use of the tilt sensing control for steering projectiles

Give it a shot. It may give you some hope for the future of the system as a game console
-ud

[Turrican]

You claim that there are no games for PS3. There quite obviously are.

No sir, you misquote me. I wrote "an impressive hardware isn't worth much without games" - the sense of the phrase being that no matter how much powerful and well built the hardware is, it is software that makes the difference. If you just quote "without games" you have an incorrect perception of what I meant.

Quantity of software is not an issue - all systems out there have plenty. We are discussing PS3 because skikid's is taking the dust. Had an X360 owner lamented that, we would discuss that. As fellow ROBOTRON implies, it's quite obvious that not playing with a system has more to do with one's personal tastes than the actual lineup.

[PROMETHEUS]

Since I bought a new PC I don't really bother with anything on the PS3 since most of its games are also on PC, and always much more enjoyable on PC. Much better graphics, better controls and often better prices...

[PROMETHEUS]

I'm no huge PS3 proponent, as I use it as a BluRay player 99% of the time it's on, but I'm surprised nobody has hailed "Heavenly Sword." The only downfall I can think of is how short it is. That aside, it's truely a blast to play, full of exciting moments. It also has awesome use of the tilt sensing control for steering projectiles :D

Give it a shot. It may give you some hope for the future of the system as a game console :D
-ud

I was actually very disapointed with that game. It has some great presentation ideas, and the gameplay is fun in the beginning, but then it grows old and broken FAST, it lags a LOT, the scenario is terrible and the ending just REALLY sucks (gameplay and story).

[Skykid]

Just like to say I'm with Prometheus on Heavenly Sword, I found the game lacklustre.

Turrican has certainly gone to some lengths to fuel this thread as a proper discussion about the possiblities of the PS3's fate. Ceph, let's not drag things off the beaten path by going back into 'the PS3 actually has a large software line-up and therefore is just as good as its competitors' territory: it's not often we get a bunch of PS3 owners together to have a serious discussion. In my eyes, the PS3 hasn't managed to get into this console race yet - that could be due to the growth of the North American and European markets and the embracing of Xbox Live.

But, if you're really enjoying your PS3 and getting 100% use out of it, tell us what it is we're missing.

[professor ganson]

Games I know I like:
Uncharted
Everyday Shooter

Games I expect I'll like:
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Valkyria Chronicles

Not an impressive list, but that's fine by me. I mostly want to play the DS anyway.

[jpj]

if you don't have a ps3, how the fuck are you gonna play me on SF2:HD Remix?

[Skykid]

if you don't have a ps3, how the fuck are you gonna play me on SF2:HD Remix?

On my 360, where everyone is playing everyone else.

Uncharted did quite interest me actually. The price has dropped on this so I might pick it up for a go.
TR: Underworld is the best TR I've played since the first one - but it suffers from some frustratingly glitchy controls, which is a shame, but not enough to ruin the game.

[professor ganson]

Good to hear about Underworld. I've got it, but I might wait til I've finished Uncharted to play it. You might find Uncharted a bit easy, but it's exactly right for me.

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

But, if you're really enjoying your PS3 and getting 100% use out of it, tell us what it is we're missing.

You're missing a positive attitude and a reason for buying the system.

I recently bought World of Warcraft even though I know I absolutely despise MMORPGs and don't like anything about it except that it's nice for chats. It's a nice chat room but shitty game. I didn't like it before buying it, and I don't like it now. I checked all the game's features beforehand and didn't like them, but still bought it for kicks. Please tell me what is so great about the game, and what people have posted before and all the official information doesn't count.

And now let's compare WoW to GnG for no apparent reason. Ghost and Goblins is teh shit. It's my kind of game. It's offline and you don't have to pay to play the game you paid for. Offline is the future .

What the hell made me buy a MMORPG when what I want in a game is solid action and not having to pay a monthly subscription fee?

[professor ganson]

Games I know I like:
Uncharted
Everyday Shooter

Games I expect I'll like:
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Valkyria Chronicles

Actually I should have mentioned LBP, which I rather like.

I wish Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles were handheld titles-- these sorts of games just seem a lot better suited for PSP or DS.

[ZOM]

Offline is the future .

+1
AMEN.

[Ceph]

But, if you're really enjoying your PS3 and getting 100% use out of it, tell us what it is we're missing.

You're missing a positive attitude and a reason for buying the system.

I recently bought World of Warcraft even though I know I absolutely despise MMORPGs and don't like anything about it except that it's nice for chats. It's a nice chat room but shitty game. I didn't like it before buying it, and I don't like it now. I checked all the game's features beforehand and didn't like them, but still bought it for kicks. Please tell me what is so great about the game, and what people have posted before and all the official information doesn't count.

And now let's compare WoW to GnG for no apparent reason. Ghost and Goblins is teh shit. It's my kind of game. It's offline and you don't have to pay to play the game you paid for. Offline is the future .

What the hell made me buy a MMORPG when what I want in a game is solid action and not having to pay a monthly subscription fee?

Awesome.

[neorichieb1971]

I must admit that not only on the PS3, but all this gens systems, there is a heavy bias towards action, racing and sports with little diversity.

Even the games I have liked. I think to myself i've played it before even though I haven't.

Does anyone feel like me when they don't care how good the graphics are? Surely a handful of companies can just make a great game regardless of whether it has great graphics or not.

Don't you think its bizarre how different the 360 and PS3 are, that the games look almost identical? How much effort goes into making them look so the same?

[Ceph]

PS3 is compatible with Sega Saturn USB pads. Which is really nice for fighters like Soul Calibur IV and Street Fighter IV, and games like Bionic Commando Rearmed.

[Skykid]

But, if you're really enjoying your PS3 and getting 100% use out of it, tell us what it is we're missing.

You're missing a positive attitude and a reason for buying the system.

I have the positive attitude, that's why I own the system. I suppose Atari Jaguar owners needed a positive attitude too?
Perhaps the debate should be more focused on what the reasons are for buying the system either over the Xbox 360, which is very reasonably priced, or in addition to?
As the thread title suggests, the PS3 doesn't get a massive amount of use. Respectively, even Wii Fit means that the Nintendo console gets more air time.

Offline is the future .

Regardless of whether or not it interests you, you can't honestly believe that?

[Shocky]

Ahh, the good old "PS3 haz no games!"

Great DVD/Blu Ray player, duff games console. I shelled out against my own advice expecting to get something out of it, but I've been disappointed for nearly three months now.

It's 2009 and still doing squat to even pretend like it's any good.

Have Sony been and gone from last chance saloon, or is that ship yet to sail?

Discuss, PS3 owners, what do you think - is this gonna turn around in 2009 or what?

Sorry to hear that your PS3 is "collecting dust". I'm having an opposite problem: I think there are already TOO MANY great games available, I'll never have time to finish them all. Yesterday I played COD4 and damn it was great. Then I played R-Types (bought from PSN store) just because I can do it without hassle, just choose it in the menu, wireless.

If I had more time, I'd finish other games like Siren: Blood Curse, Fallout 3, Uncharted etc. and play more Metal Gear Online, or try old games (MGS4, DMC4, Dead Space) with new difficulty. For casual gaming there are Soul Calibur IV network matches and loads of always-entertaining PSN games like Super Stardust HD, Wipeout HD, PixelJunk games, Bionic Commando Rearmed, Hell, even Commando 3 is fun in co-op. Even the old games like Flow, Nucleus, Blast Factor still get playtime from me. And if I don't want to start my PS2 I can play Yakuza 2 on the PS3 with a wireless controller.

I think Sony finally nailed the all-inclusive home entertainment platform. Today I'm gonna play SF2HD Remix with friends and watch Starship Troopers 3 Blu-ray. And I just got a 1TB external HD, put all my music and videos on it, and can now use the PS3 to easily play them on my tv/audio gear with minimum hassle (except getting subtitles to work is still problematic in some cases..)

Games? There are games. While scavenging through the japanese PSN store yesterday I found the trailer for From Software's Demon's Souls. That's yet another PS3 exclusive that doesn't seem to get much publicity but looks very interesting (dark fantasy action with I guess rpg and God of War -influences).

PS3 has moved enough hardware so that almost all important games (except for Wii games, should an important Wii game ever appear) will anyway be available, so there's gonna be plenty to play.

Perhaps the debate should be more focused on what the reasons are for buying the system either over the Xbox 360, which is very reasonably priced, or in addition to?
As the thread title suggests, the PS3 doesn't get a massive amount of use. Respectively, even Wii Fit means that the Nintendo console gets more air time.

We already went through this in some other thread. The PS3 is better because: REGION FREE, no RROD, free online, Blu-ray, MGS4, included wifi + HD + usb-chargable wireless controllers + all the other stuff.

But it is true, the piano black cover collects dust

So.. PS3 is evidently better than X360 or Wii. But.. what's the best system? N-Gage. The only platform that has the latest Metal Gear Solid AND Resident Evil games, exclusive.

[Bootaaay]

Games? There are games. While scavenging through the japanese PSN store yesterday I found the trailer for From Software's Demon Souls. That's yet another PS3 exclusive that doesn't seem to get much publicity but looks very interesting (dark fantasy action with I guess rpg and God of War -influences).

Also, while the game hasn't yet been announced for Europe or the US, there's an Asian version coming on the 7th of February with full English language support - i'm really excited about this game, the graphics, the gameplay and the scale of the enemies are all really impressive, plus I really enjoyed the King's Field series and From Software have cited Demon's Souls as a spiritual successor to King's Field.

[Turrican]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/sony- ... ys-analyst

He points out that 360 versus PS3 is like watching paralympics - none of them can ever hope to catch up with Wii.

[Fenrir]

The Wii will probably disappear without leaving almost any trace, once X360 and PS3 have cut their prices a lot and their lineup is wider and full of both kolossals AND shovelware (shovelware is important, dudes!).

But Shocky, Sony NEEDS people like you. I wish I were excited like you and I envy you. As much as a sony fan I am (I was a sony fanboy way before PS1 hit the market ), I am so annoyed by the unappeal-ness of the games and PSN available right now... that I'm only waiting for a reason to buy it. Look, I've got the money right here, ready for Sony. But no cake. And I've got x360 (which I am enjoying very much thank you) and a Wii that I can't play because it's way too blurred for me (Zelda is a MAJOR pain look at).

Turrican, congratulations for your previous post. Lots of very nice insights. You nailed a couple of very important issues, shovelware (or funware) included. During my SNES - PS1 time I loved to stroll by the shops and see what weird japanese gem I could find and buy. Import shops had them by the hundreds. That casual fun now is completely gone and I miss it. Guess it's just a sign of time...

[Ex-Cyber]

I think it's rather disappointing that Wii has the only really good homebrew scene this generation; there are a few things going on for PS3 and 360, but they seem like research projects by comparison. The PS3 Open Platform has so much potential, but Sony has evidently decided that it's not meant to be anything more than a barebones Cell evaluation board (crappy partitioning options + locked out GPU).

[Skykid]

But Shocky, Sony NEEDS people like you.

Yes, but this debate doesn't need people like him. I thought it was only fair to stop reading his post after this:

Ahh, the good old "PS3 haz no games!"

Because he clearly hasn't paid anyone else the courtesy of actually reading the thread so far.

[Ceph]

Aside from games, let's not forget: Media server + PS3 = awesome. PS3 is now getting support for DivX 3.11 (XviD and DivX have been working for a long time).

I installed a 500GB hdd in my PS3 after Christmas. Cost me only 85 EUR (this one). Can you get hdds this large and cheap for 360? And you can use regular USB devices, like controllers, keyboards, mice, mass storage devices (mp3 players, too) etc.

And look at the cool new photo browser PS3 is getting with firmware 2.6:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/01/ ... 60-update/

[MadScientist]

The choice of a PS3 was pretty straightforward for me. It has more games that I wanted to play than the Wii, it's more reliable than the 360 and has built in wi-fi/bluetooth and free online. I listen to a few podcasts and nearly all of the hosts were talking about how they're on their 3rd or 4th 360. Why would I want to give a company that puts out a knowingly broken product more money? Isn't that far worse than anything Sony has done?

[Shocky]

Yes, but this debate doesn't need people like him. I thought it was only fair to stop reading his post after this:

Ahh, the good old "PS3 haz no games!"

Because he clearly hasn't paid anyone else the courtesy of actually reading the thread so far.

Nice one, trying to ignore my main point (that there is, in fact, a lot of use for a PS3) by sticking to one line... which was inspired by you earlier in this thread:

PS3 ... but there's nothing to play on it, and most of the games mentioned above (SF Remix, KOF 12, SFIV) are all getting 360 releases.

Still, in 2009, you're saying there's nothing to play on it, but forget to add that you have an extremely picky taste on games and unlike the majority of gamers, you also have an Xbox. I don't have an Xbox, so KOF 12, SF4 and all those releases are important for me. And don't I remember you been very content with MGS4 in the game's threads here?
What's with these "no games" accusations then? Because YOUR friends happen to have X360's and you want to play network games with them? The world doesn't revolve around you. You made a bad purchase, just sell the thing, and don't keep starting these provocatively named Sony-bashing threads. Thanks.

But you were also right, I didn't read this thread thoroughly. You did have good points about the network community's growing importance somewhere between all the plain Sony hatred. Indeed the Live community is MS' most valuable asset, it's easier to sell the next generation Xbox to players who already have accounts and data ready and have formed gaming clans or tribes or whatever. Will this happen in time to affect current gen? Probably not.

Turrican also had good points about Sony's labile position in the market. They need to get their network community act together and fast. Also, the Playstation stores are still quite primitive regarding usability and content; Sony is losing money all the time because people can't find the stuff they're looking for amidst all the dlc crap, or it's not available in their region (the shmups...)

Sony is trying hard, though, so I wouldn't write them off yet. Little Big Planet is an awesome product and maybe the only game I would call truly "next gen". It takes the gaming culture forwards instead of selling the same old shit in a new bag. Also, 3D tech is moving forward: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/08/son ... ch-at-ces/. And maybe the new rpg's (White Knight Chronicles, FFXIII, Demon's Souls) finally convert the japanese and they start buying PS3 by the millions! (no, probably not).

But Shocky, Sony NEEDS people like you. I wish I were excited like you and I envy you. As much as a sony fan I am (I was a sony fanboy way before PS1 hit the market ), I am so annoyed by the unappeal-ness of the games and PSN available right now... that I'm only waiting for a reason to buy it. Look, I've got the money right here, ready for Sony. But no cake. And I've got x360 (which I am enjoying very much thank you) and a Wii that I can't play because it's way too blurred for me (Zelda is a MAJOR pain look at).

Yes, to win this "war" (*) Sony would need a lot of flaming fanboys, or any people who actually make noise. Now, I'm going to theoretisize, and it may make some people upset, be warned: One reason that X360 is doing so well is that it's fanbase is the noisiest and most impulsive. The more intellectual types choose PS3 because of reasons that we discussed earlier. They try to see the big picture, but fail to make enough noise to draw attention. By noise I mean forum topics like this one, that aim to corrupt the PS3 public image, and filling the internet with Halo-drooling and lame "PS3 = no games" FUD. This is how the Live community gets stronger, nothing unites people like a common enemy. Noise also means promoting exclusive games. If Demon's Souls was an X360 game, there would probably already be a thread here about it by some hot-head Xbot (nothing wrong with that!) =)

It's true that there haven't yet (according to my tastes, at least) really been any ABSOLUTE, MUST BUY gems for PS3 other than MGS4, but the catalogue and line-up are looking good and diverse, the gems may appear any time (personally I'm waiting for Yakuza 3). I don't think there will be enough of these exclusives to make X360 owners buy a PS3, unless they want to watch Blu-ray movies OR the classic happens; their Xbox breaks down outside guarantee and they get pissed off and get a PS3.


(*) In fact, the war has already been won, by everyone who's content with their console of choice. It doesn't matter at this point who has sold the most consoles, the numbers of all three consoles have reached a critical mass and games will keep appearing. I don't even believe cross-platform development hinders PS3 conversions all that much. Then again, one has to remember that the number of sold X360's is not directly comparable to the player numbers, because QUITE FUCKING MANY XBOTS HAVE HAD TO BUY TWO OR MORE CONSOLES BECAUSE THE SHODDY THING DIED ON THEM.

[maxlords]

Uncharted is quite fun. Controls are fairly loose on it but the story is great.

As for TR....you found the controls glitchy? I played it on the 360 and found it quite tight. The only issue I had was the story itself...

Uncharted did quite interest me actually. The price has dropped on this so I might pick it up for a go.
TR: Underworld is the best TR I've played since the first one - but it suffers from some frustratingly glitchy controls, which is a shame, but not enough to ruin the game.

[MadScientist]

And maybe the new rpg's (White Knight Chronicles, FFXIII, Demon's Souls) finally convert the japanese and they start buying PS3 by the millions! (no, probably not).

I don't think Sony have that big a problem in Japan. I saw the top 100 best selling games of 2008 in Japan and it was about ~60% Wii/DS, ~40% PS3/PS2/PSP and 1 lonely 360 title. WKC has sold well in Japan so far - 200K in one week I think.

[Skykid]

Yes, to win this "war" (*) Sony would need a lot of flaming fanboys, or any people who actually make noise.

What happened to allof the ones they've had for the last fifteen years? Can't we agree that there are other reasons involved as to why Sony are running last in the current console generation?

QUITE FUCKING MANY XBOTS HAVE HAD TO BUY TWO OR MORE CONSOLES BECAUSE THE SHODDY THING DIED ON THEM.

Really immature. I'm not moderating this thread, but this is exactly the kind of rubbish I've been hoping we could avoid. Perhaps re-read the posts so far, listen to other comments (rather than just mine) by PS3 owners who feel they aren't getting a great deal from the machine, and then we can get things back on track.

In an attempt to steer this back on course:

We know the PS3 has plenty of games, we know a lot are multi format though. Does anyone else think the reason PS3's aren't selling as well as expected is because given the choice between COD 5 (for example) on PS3 or Xbox, owners who have both consoles invariably go for the xbox version because of Live's capabilities (and the fact they're paying for Live and want to make use of it?) - or is it more a question of the pricing of the PS3 that's most damaging?

Or both?

[system11]

Mine's covered with dust too, but mostly because I am too lazy to clean it. It gets used regularly for films. Games? Hardly at all, I hadn't even used the controller since Wipeout HD was released, until I tried to play Elefunk last week. It had run out of charge, unsurprisingly.