Cave's Next

Post by **spadgy** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:24 pm

I'm personally up for some fresh IP, regardless of Hi-Def or not. Though the DDP prequel is a real neat idea.

And what's all this nonsense over the word 'milk'...? Let's be nice...

lmn4096 · Post by **lmn4096** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:52 pm

GaijinPunch wrote: Hang on... I'm lost. None of the tracks have words, in the least, and the words don't match any of the dialogue in the stage stories either.

from this page it must be the 17th track of the CD (you can see vocal version wrote on it)
http://cave.shop-pro.jp/?mode=f6
it is the music of stage 3 in the game.

here you can listen to a midi file with the dialog wrote on the page:
http://curious-cat.net/cave/music/yomi.html

The text dialog for the vocal version was wrote by Inoue before he worked for Guwange.

But I don't have this CD so, I could be wrong

Post by **spadgy** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:29 pm

icycalm wrote:
spadgy wrote:And what's all this nonsense over the word 'milk'...?
Nonsense your mom. I explained perfectly well what that was all about. If you are too dumb to understand it it's your problem.

OK. Sorry. Actually wasn't at all aimed at just you icycalm. You did indeed explain very well. I was purely expressing surprise at how riled people became about the whole issue when we're all here to share passion in a hobby.

I'm just all for being nice, and I'm obviously a little dumb.

Just a thought on topic; I've only fallen for Progear in the last few months, and before I was unsure of horizontal shooters other than Gradius. Now I'm into them quite a bit. Any Cave experts thing we might see another hozi cave game?

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:37 pm

spadgy wrote: Any Cave experts thing we might see another hozi cave game?

you are aware their last game was horisontal arent you?

thegreathopper · Post by **thegreathopper** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:40 pm

spadgy wrote: Any Cave experts thing we might see another hozi cave game?

I am no Cave expert but Death Smiles is horizontal and out at the moment.

Post by **spadgy** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:58 pm

thegreathopper wrote:
spadgy wrote: Any Cave experts thing we might see another hozi cave game?
I am no Cave expert but Death Smiles is horizontal and out at the moment.

Show's there's always so much to learn. I was aware Death Smiles was a hozi but I didn't realise how recent it was. Not sure how I missed that! Thanks guys...

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:17 pm

Should Cave go with a new HD or medium resolution system, I'd rather they launch it with a highly recognizable sequel (e.g. E.S.P.Ra.De. 2019~Yaksa Returns, DDP5).

While their standard res fare still looks good, that's not to say I would mind seeing them go with high res sprites. I wouldn't want them going 3D for graphics unless they could pull off the shmup counterpart of Battle Fantasia or what's been so far shown of Street Fighter IV.

This thread has almost gone to Hell; let's get it back on track.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:23 pm

As much as it would interest me, I just don't see Cave changing their hardware any time soon. With the massive investment in time and money this would represent, i'm sure they'll be sticking with their previous hardware revision until they've milked it for all its graphical possibilities. On top of this, i'm sure they would have made some kind of announcement. Dunno though, they can be pretty secretive/obtuse when they feel like it.

I imagine I will be proved wrong over the next few weeks

Post by **spadgy** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:41 pm

DJ Rectal Prolapse wrote:As much as it would interest me, I just don't see Cave changing their hardware any time soon. With the massive investment in time and money this would represent, i'm sure they'll be sticking with their previous hardware revision until they've milked it for all its graphical possibilities. On top of this, i'm sure they would have made some kind of announcement. Dunno though, they can be pretty secretive/obtuse when they feel like it.

I imagine I will be proved wrong over the next few weeks

MILKED!!!!

Only kidding...

Post by **Ghegs** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:42 pm

Thread split, back to proper business.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:20 pm

lmn4096 wrote: from this page it must be the 17th track of the CD (you can see vocal version wrote on it)
http://cave.shop-pro.jp/?mode=f6
it is the music of stage 3 in the game.

Ah, yes, that is the name of the song. What's w/ the lady though? She doesn't really any characters in the game specifically. Guess we'll have to wait another few weeks.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:10 am

moozooh wrote:
PROMETHEUS wrote:
P_HAT wrote:
Yeah! Because we know we play our Cave games for graphics!

Well, I kinda do. Not in the sense of "power", but in the sense of asthetics. And more powerful hardware could represents Jun's artistic vision even more than Guwange(which was amazing). So, I find that an exciting possibility.

s/m

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:12 pm

I can't believe you guys are suggesting hi-res! What a bunch of sellouts! As far as changing hardware, I doubt it. As GaijinPunch put it, Cave are afraid of change. Why change now when they've mastered the hardware they're using? Why change to a higher res when they are so well versed in this one? Why change musicians when namiki is so popular (:P)?

Quick question for Guwange/ESP Ra.De CD holders: Were the tracks remixed at all? Are they high quality?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:37 pm

And more powerful hardware could represents Jun's artistic vision even more than Guwange

Not necessarily.

drboom · Post by **drboom** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:43 pm

Zebra Airforce wrote:Why change musicians when namiki is so popular

I can't believe that someone suggested they get someone other than Namiki. He's brilliant. The soundtracks for DOJ and Ketsui are all-time classics and I play them at least once a week - usually way more.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:37 pm

I don't like Namiki too much because a lot of his works sound like remixes on his earlier works — and I'm not even taking into account actual remixes of Mushihime-sama tracks in Futari.

Shion · Post by **Shion** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:55 pm

I never really like the gameplay of Guwange (meaning, the graphics and music are awesome, the rest sucks).
I hope they do an ESP.Ra.De sequel instead, although it seems less likely.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:08 pm

The soundtracks for DOJ and Ketsui are all-time classics

Those aren't bad. Mushihime-sama was pretty awful (save stage 4, and the Shin Aki track). Galuda 2 was pretty lame as well I thought. Futari... pretty meh.

The first Galuda has the best of the soundtracks that fit in that cheese pop genre... the only problem was it was outdated by 5 years by the time it came out.

the graphics and music are awesome, the rest sucks

That's b/c you're doing it wrong.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:27 pm

I can't believe you guys are suggesting hi-res!

games have been increasing resolution through out the years just like all visual media. if there wasn't folks "selling out" we'd be playing shooters that still looked like atari.

i don't think new hardware is needed but i wouldn't bitch about it either. as long as it didn't mean crappy, fake hi res, automis wave like, snk shit.

Post by **spadgy** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:11 pm

Strider77 wrote:games have been increasing resolution through out the years just like all visual media. if there wasn't folks "selling out" we'd be playing shooters that still looked like atari.

Have to agree. If accepting new technology is selling out, then 'selling out' is the only way to progress...

That said, I'm not particularly bothered about Hi-Def in general. It's fine, but not important to me...

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:51 pm

Nobody said it's selling out. Making your games suck shit to appeal to a bunch of douche bags is selling out.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:50 am

Re: Topic
If Yagawa is still working for Cave, Cave's next will be by him and should hit the arcades April/May. So it won't be any Guwange/Esprade/DDP sequel. Probably something with scantily clad girls and/or big boobs (just a wild guess).

J-Manic · Post by **J-Manic** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:56 am

A new hentai shmup from Cave? Can't wait!!!

drboom · Post by **drboom** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:12 am

EOJ wrote:Probably something with scantily clad girls and/or big boobs (just a wild guess).

Nothing wrong with that, except...
I got the Mushihimasama INH DVD for x-mas from my girl and opened the package in front of my family on Christmas morning and I was just a bit embarrased. I'm not sure why they thought Reco's nipples should glow through her shirt, but it did raise a few eyebrows from my family.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:12 am

EOJ wrote:Re: Topic
If Yagawa is still working for Cave, Cave's next will be by him and should hit the arcades April/May. So it won't be any Guwange/Esprade/DDP sequel. Probably something with scantily clad girls and/or big boobs (just a wild guess).

We need spaceships.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:35 am

and helis

or even better

SPACEHELIS

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:27 am

Cave's next will be by him

Not necessarily. I hardly think IKD is so busy these days being head of development that he can't make a new game. I Also makes more financial sense to put Yagawa's game on the back burner.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:39 am

Well the past 3 years have had Yagawa's games come out in April-June, so I'm not sure why you think they'd break that pattern now. Ikeda just finished Futari BL (well, presumably. We've yet to see the staff roll). What has Yagawa been doing the past year? Makes little sense for Ikeda to slam out a new game in a couple months and bump Yagawa's game to the critical Fall season.

I'm happy if it's an Ikeda game or a Yagawa game, I just don't see any reason to assume they'll break with tradition now. Certainly no evidence to suggest that.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:02 am

B/c Futari isn't a new game. My point is that this doesn't count for "his game". His role has slightly changed, but that's also part of the point. Cave wasn't "supposed" to put out anything w/o IKD or Yagawa at the helm, and we got Death Smiles.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:40 am

J-Manic wrote:A new hentai shmup from Cave? Can't wait!!!

YES!

Harlequin