Switch 2 General Chat Thread (Aka, the final video game console)

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Nintendo should've released the Switch 2 with an Oled screen from the "get-go" rather than release one three or four years down the road which means having to shell even more money just to upgrade to a Oled Switch 2 setup

The OLED version is the one I was gifted and can confirm it looks great, although I don't play it much handheld.

The cynic in me thinks that Nintendo is milking their hardcore fanbase to doubledip on a second purchase by releasing the OLED version of S2 later, and/or they're using early buyers to effectively troubleshoot their hardware so they can improve on it on the OLED release.

[beer gas canister]

does anyone here have one yet and can confirm whether the physical shottriggers/live wire/rs34 releases (and virtual arcade archives) titles work?
I just watched Russ's (retrogamecorps) impression video and it appears he was able to get his digital content mapped over to the switch 2, but he did very little software impressions (it wasn't the point of this video).

I'm considering grabbing a switch 1 oled as an upgrade from the original one I bought 7 or so years ago, but the retrogamecorp switch 2 comparison to the switch oled makes it seem like there isn't a stark difference between the two

Every Switch game that I own has run well so far. I've tested a bunch of stuff, including Grid Autosport, which isn't supposed to run at all, but it does if you launch in airplane mode. All of the shmups so far play exactly as I'd expect them to on the Switch 1, and some of them (subjectively!) feel just a tiny bit smoother. Strikers 1945 II for example feels very slightly less hockey-puckish. I played M2's Esprade via download and DOJ via cart and they feel exactly like playing on Switch 1.

Big laggy games like Civ 6 and Dynasty Warriors 8 are transformed on Switch 2. 60 fps, max resolution all the time, the works, and lots of these games haven't been patched yet. Seems like the S1 emulation environment leaves a ton of headroom available for dynamic scaling, especially for GPU-bound titles. Beyond that, controller input feels cleaner and more responsive across the board, and all wireless communication is MUCH faster, with download speeds on par with Steam on PC.

[Some-Mist]

Hell yeah! Thank you

[ZellSF]

While that's bad, it's still not nearly as bad as Microsoft. Xbox consoles (out of the box or factory reset) are bricks without internet, Switch 2 consoles can play most games provided they're updated.

I tried deleting all my Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury data and when starting it, it forced me to update. Not sure why, but since someone obviously got it working without an update (as per the DoesItPlay post), it suggests to me that there will be lots of wrong information on this in the future because of bad testing methodology.

Other than that I'm mostly happy with how backwards compatibility works on the games I've tested.

Does the Switch port of Shinorubi still have the 30 fps framerate issue if played on the Switch 2 setup?

Quoting me seems like you're asking me and I have no idea, nor do I know why you would suspect I would have a random game like that.

But if it was unstable 30 or 60 FPS before, I would expect that 30 or 60 FPS to be stable with the Switch 2. That seems to be the trend.

Games going from 30 to 60 without a patch are very unusual (strangely enough, there is one case: Mario and Rabbids Kingdom Battle).

Another bit of unfortunate news for physical collectors: Switch game cards are slower than the internal storage, both for Switch 1 and Switch 2 games, so expect a bit longer loading times. I can't fault Nintendo for this one though.

Also I'm not as convinced as everyone here there will be an OLED version later on. Not sure why it's treated as a sure thing, especially not with a company like Nintendo. I would say it's 50/50.

[alamone]

Also I'm not as convinced as everyone here there will be an OLED version later on. Not sure why it's treated as a sure thing, especially not with a company like Nintendo. I would say it's 50/50.

I agree that OLED isn't a given.
https://www.pcguide.com/news/asus-not-w ... ox-ally-x/

The XBOX branded ROG Ally also ended up LCD, and the marketing guy at ASUS stated that VRR on OLED uses a lot more battery power, so they decided to stick to LCD.

[NYN]

After the DK Bananza Direct, I feel like that is the killer app the system gets. Not MK World, oh no, that looks like it blows soft eggs. Rewind function in a multi race game? Scoff!
What I find telling is how Bananza features a "2 Player" mode: with Game Share, that can even be played with an original Switch! Huh. So it's strictly speaking not about technical excuses, they need big gunboats exclusively...

[AGermanArtist]

Had no interest in it and now I do. It's got a sort of Nintendo God of War vibe about it. I'm sure I likely blast through it over a month and trade it.

[ryu]

DK Bananza looks fun for a day or two, and I'd expect the game to feel like work after that much like it was the case when going for 100% in Mario Odyssey.

[AGermanArtist]

I've just seen a commercial for it and now all interest is gone. It's laying on the schmaltz a bit too thickly for my liking.
Is Nintendo heading in a Disney-esque direction? Where games have to have songs.

[AGermanArtist]

After watching the DF review and the MVG video, coupled with the fact there are no games I actually want from the launch line up and an acceptance that I actually don't even like Mario Kart that much, and that Strania aside, I haven't played the Switch that much in the past year - I'm putting this on pause. The money's burning a hole in my pocket, so I think I'm going to get a Legion Go for now and stick NetherSX2/Dolphin/Duckstation/Redream/MAME/PPSSPP on it.

[BryanM]

The fact that Nintendo can brick these things sure is great for the second-hand market, ain't it. Man, remember when we used to own stuff. That was a trip.

One little annoyance is I hear that you can't shut off the mini-map in GTA free roam mode in Mario Kart World, while you are able to shut off the race map in race mode. It's just amusing that you can't shut off the distracting useless minimap but you are able to shut off the non-distracting useful race map... I didn't think either would be possible, but that one is, it's like they're just bullying me personally.

Also eliminating the functionality in multiplayer that people were using to play classic grand prix mode, it's crazy yo. It seems so simple: Have a grand prix mode for racing on tracks, have a knock-out mode for cross-country. And yet.

[ryu]

The Mario Kart World patch is hilarious. Even Nintendo's biggest shills and simps are mad about it.

[Steven]

So is this thing good or...?

100% complete honesty: I want one JUST for Metroid Prime 4. Yes, I can play it on Switch, but I don't want to. I want the best version of the game, and that's the Switch 2 version.

[AGermanArtist]

I'm holding out for a h/ware revision with a better screen and hoping the input lag issues are resolved with GC games.
I was 100% set on getting one as soon as the release phase calmed down. I just can't reconcile paying €600 for the console and Pro controller just to play MKW and Fast Fusion on a cheap screen. I don't want the third-party release games or DK Bananza.

[ZellSF]

DK Bananza looks fun for a day or two, and I'd expect the game to feel like work after that much like it was the case when going for 100% in Mario Odyssey.

That's a you thing. I'm hoping you're aware of that, just saying.

I'm not buying it because I have a huge backlog of other Nintendo quality titles that aren't that expensive.

Speaking of expensive, I got the Pro 2 controller. Yeah the quality doesn't match up to the price, at all. It is the only controller that can wake the system though.

The fact that Nintendo can brick these things sure is great for the second-hand market, ain't it. Man, remember when we used to own stuff. That was a trip.

While a bad thing, it's not new to the Switch 2, so I'm a bit confused about all the press it's getting. And they're not bricked, just banned from online services. Like other consoles before it.

Account bans and more verification of new accounts would make more sense than device bans.

And obviously, the way Nintendo is banning for flash cartridges lead to some worries about buying bootlegs unintentionally and getting banned for that.

I'm holding out for a h/ware revision with a better screen and hoping the input lag issues are resolved with GC games.

I really wouldn't hold my breath on that. Emulators do generally have input lag, and Nintendo aren't even known for particularly good emulators.

[BryanM]

So is this thing good or...?

100% complete honesty: I want one JUST for Metroid Prime 4. Yes, I can play it on Switch, but I don't want to. I want the best version of the game, and that's the Switch 2 version.

It's definitely a luxury product for people with money to burn. You're definitely not getting the same utility value we got out of the Playstation 2, a DVD player and the golden age of 3d games.

Of course the library will be fine. Another two or three Marios, a Smash, a Zelda or two (but not a Zelda 2 successor), an Animal Crossing, some Metroid, maybe another Fire Emblem, etc. (Not Earthbound, though. That's a special sometimes food. And by sometimes food, I mean we're never seeing it or a spiritual successor from Nintendo ever again.) Some jRPGs.

The full development of the NPU would be the next big thing in video games. We could have real virtual people in these things, and truly 'forever' games personalized to a player. (On the other hand, there's the creepy aspect of basically having a person inside this box just sitting around. Eh, we'd get used to it fast.) One major example would be open worlds that aren't empty. Whenever I see the little 'mini games' sprinkled around an open world, I always feel like how they try to enrich the environment of zoo animals by smearing peanut butter on the underside of wood somewhere or tossing a beach ball in there. It's not really as in-depth or interesting as existing within a true ecosystem.

In that respect I do kind of feel like the Switch 2 is like the Neo Geo. If you really love these games and got the money, go for it. For those of us with massive towers of backlogs of stuff to kill time with, eh.

While a bad thing, it's not new to the Switch 2, so I'm a bit confused about all the press it's getting. And they're not bricked, just banned from online services. Like other consoles before it.

Interesting. I'm not familiar with being able to factory reset these things to 'fix' them, do the Switches differ on that front?

Considering how much they're pushed these key cards and internet DRM in general, it does feel like an increasingly pertinent concern.

[AGermanArtist]

I'm happy with 4 frames, 5 at a push, but according to this MVG guy it's 8 across all of the 3 NGC games.

@noodalls is going to check it when he gets back from vacation.

[ZellSF]

So I did some research, watching the annoying Youtube guy's description of what getting your Switch 2 banned means:

1) It's banned from logging in to your Nintendo account.
2) It's NOT banned from firmware updates.
3) It IS banned from game updates. This obviously includes downloading game key cards.

I think 1) and 2) are common, but 3) seems to be a Nintendo Switch 2 only thing. I wonder if it's possible to create a fake update server to bypass this, but it's way too early to tell.

I have to question if 3) is because of the stupid game key card thing, Nintendo looking for every way to save some bandwidth and not let people redownload 50 GB games if they can find an excuse to disallow it that they think won't be legally challenged.

It's obviously very bad, but there's some dumb sensationalism going on here, bricking a console means it's as useful as, well, a brick, hence the term. Using it to describe a system that can still play all games that are actually on cartridge is wildly misleading.

[ZellSF]

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/n ... 04996.html
Canada only for now, but new Nintendo strategy, price Switch 1 consoles, accessories and games higher to make the Switch 2 prices seem reasonable?