Judgement Silversword: Rebirth Edition

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:49 pm

angrycoder wrote:Which is just nuts for a system with only one game on it.

Well there's the stuff CIT mentioned, but for some reason nobody mentioned the excellent Dicing Knight. An action RPG with English on screen text. Winner of the coding competition from another year.

Also there are 4 shmups on the system, which can't be said from a particular recent generation games console and a hugely popular recent handheld. And 3 of them are triple A titles.

-Judgement Silversword: Rebirth Edition

-Judgement Silversword: Cardinal Sins* (just as awesome and possibly even more manic, with seven stage themes losely based on the seven sins)

-Run=Dim (the only hori of the four, nice but can't touch the JSS's or E-force)

-E-Force* (also by M-Kai of JSS fame. Caravan style game which REALLY is a tour de force for the Wonderswan - absolutely amazing what's on screen and all the different weapons (even lightning, flamethrowers and stuff) make this even more amazing. Stunning!

*Wonderwitch player or dev kit needed to play on your swan.

jp · Post by jp » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:33 pm

Ganelon wrote:
jp wrote: I'm referring to Rulirulirulala or something like that.
Wow, smack me silly. I always thought that was another one of those FMV-heavy graphical adventures. So I guess there's just 3 sidescrolling games on the PC-FX, huh? Or is there another one that hasn't been mentioned?

That I have there's:
01. Vajura Fight: Zenki
02. Chip Chan Chick
03. Rulirulala (sp?)
04. Imperial Prince

*thinks really hard* I"m 90% certain thats all there is. Granted, I LOVE Zenki, Chip Chan Kick, and Rulirulala, those games are a lot of fun.

Also, Rulirulala has a lot of small FMVs in it... yes, but its still a platformer style game.

Post by **Ghegs** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:33 pm

Just a reminder to all that requests or links to the JSS rom will be immediately deleted. Forum rules.

jp · Post by jp » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:36 pm

Super Laydock wrote:
angrycoder wrote:Which is just nuts for a system with only one game on it.
Well there's the stuff CIT mentioned, but for some reason nobody mentioned the excellent Dicing Knight. An action RPG with English on screen text. Winner of the coding competition from another year.

Also there are 4 shmups on the system, which can't be said from a particular recent generation games console and a hugely popular recent handheld. And 3 of them are triple A titles.

-Judgement Silversword: Rebirth Edition

-Judgement Silversword: Cardinal Sins* (just as awesome and possibly even more manic, with seven stage themes losely based on the seven sins)

-Run=Dim (the only hori of the four, nice but can't touch the JSS's or E-force)

-E-Force* (also by M-Kai of JSS fame. Caravan style game which REALLY is a tour de force for the Wonderswan - absolutely amazing what's on screen and all the different weapons (even lightning, flamethrowers and stuff) make this even more amazing. Stunning!

*Wonderwitch player or dev kit needed to play on your swan.

Wait wait... lemme' guess, every game you just mentioned is going to run $100+.

Also, the Wonderwitch will be $300.

*sigh*

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:02 pm

RUN=DIM costs about $80, but is really, really hard to find. I have never even seen one for sale anywhere other than yahoo auctions.

All the Wonderwitch games are freeware, and instead of buying the (expensive) WW you can just emulate them (of course you won't be able to play them on the WS that way).

There's more WW shooters, for example some KentaCho games were ported to WS.

jp · Post by jp » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:23 pm

CIT wrote:RUN=DIM costs about $80, but is really, really hard to find. I have never even seen one for sale anywhere other than yahoo auctions.

All the Wonderwitch games are freeware, and instead of buying the (expensive) WW you can just emulate them (of course you won't be able to play them on the WS that way).

There's more WW shooters, for example some KentaCho games were ported to WS.

And thus the search for RUN=DIM begins...

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:33 pm

CIT wrote:RUN=DIM costs about $80, but is really, really hard to find. I have never even seen one for sale anywhere other than yahoo auctions.

I've been really lucky then snatching up 2 copies of it last year, and let me tell you it wasn't on yahoo.

jp wrote: And thus the search for RUN=DIM begins...

I've got a spare one, used and 95% mint (very small rip on print of carton boxone, including the mech construction kit (still sealed) for grabs. PM me if interested. It's less then $80 too.

Just no postponing this time.

so, the Wonderwitch will be $300.

*sigh*

I'd say it's less and you can get JSS, E-Force, JSS:Cardinal Sins, Dicing knight for free after that and play them on their native platform too. It was a very nice purchase (again I got two now

).

jp · Post by jp » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:15 pm

Super Laydock wrote:
I've got a spare one, used and 95% mint (very small rip on print of carton boxone, including the mech construction kit (still sealed) for grabs. PM me if interested. It's less then $80 too.

Just no postponing this time.

Hmm... lemme see if I can sell some stuff... and then I will get back with you on that.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:28 pm

I've never heard of E-force. I'll have to keep an eye out.

My RUN=DIM was a lucky find then... I got mine while wandering around in Hong Kong 2 summers ago, only cost me HKD$130 or something...

The box got crunched up in my suitcase though :<

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:13 pm

How much does the Wonderwitch Player for the Wonderswan Cyrstal cost? I'll definately have to pick up these games at some point; new Wonderswan Crystal's are pretty cheap on Ebay.

Soldato J · Post by **Soldato J** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:19 pm

[soldatoj's lust for JSS and RUN=DIM increases]

Why oh why did I not buy RUN=DIM with the figure at NCSX or Game Choice Club (whatever it was called) when it was around...

WOE IS ME

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:36 pm

Well, I got my Wonderswan today. Its a FF LE Wonderswan... so I don't think its a Wonderswan Crystal. Would a Wonderswan Crystal have been better?

At any rate, um... still no Judgement Silversword, so still no clue on if I'm keeping it or not (that now I'm leaning towards keeping it). All I have is Final Fantasy to play... so... I guess for the next 3-4 days I'll be playing through that in Japanese...

Interesting little machine though. How does the TATE work? Do you use the Y buttons to shoot and all that? Hopefully so, as using A and B would be very... bizarre.

I guess if I do keep it I will look into some non-Nihongo friendly games. Already looking around for RUN=DIM. Might look into a Wonderwitch, if I can figure out where to get one, and then snag E-Force and the other JS game since I hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate emulators.

Soldato J · Post by **Soldato J** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:11 pm

I think the Crystal had a better/redesigned/brighter screen. Someone please correct me if I am wrong--no time to google right now..I remember that I waited for the Crystal to come out and held off on a regular swan color for that reason

Post by **Ghegs** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:28 pm

Yes, Crystal > all the other Swans. I had a chance to try my JSS on a regular WSColor (I only have a Crystal myself) and the difference in image quality is immense.

And yes, that's how you tate the system. Works great, if only the buttons weren't a bit crap.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:35 pm

jp wrote: Interesting little machine though. How does the TATE work? Do you use the Y buttons to shoot and all that?

Y buttons for movement X buttons for 2 types of shooting and the shield.

Hopefully so, as using A and B would be very... bizarre.

Tell that to the makers of PSP Star soldier.

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:51 pm

Ghegs wrote:Yes, Crystal > all the other Swans. I had a chance to try my JSS on a regular WSColor (I only have a Crystal myself) and the difference in image quality is immense.

And yes, that's how you tate the system. Works great, if only the buttons weren't a bit crap.

So the one I have is a Wonderswan Color? The Final Fantasy LE? Or... is it a Crystal?

Curses, now I have to buy yet another Wonderswan system.

Mine has the TFT screen... but it isn't backlit. Should the screen be backlit?

I'm so confused. This is the frickin' PC-Engine all over again.

Soldato J · Post by **Soldato J** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:54 pm

FF version if the Color, not Crystal. Hope that clarified it...

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:56 pm

Soldato J wrote:FF version if the Color, not Crystal. Hope that clarified it...

Then I have to buy another system.

This really sucks.

angrycoder · Post by **angrycoder** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:01 pm

I got my swan crystal and judgment silversword in the mail today. Man I've gotten spoiled. I forgot how shitty non backlit handhelds are.

The game itself is totally badass, but i still am undecided if it was worth the money given the wonderswan system itself. The lack of a backlight is really bugging me, as is the small size when holding it in tate mode.

Post by **Ghegs** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:19 am

Another good chance to mention Mash-Mods, who are selling frontlit Crystals. Sure it's more expensive than a vanilla Crystal, but if you want to go all the way...

jp · Post by jp » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:40 am

I bought a SwanCrystal from Japan-Games today.

Now I have two Wonderswans...

Though now I gotta find RUN=DIM somewhere...

Also, the guy I bought Judgement Silversword from said he's also going to send me a free Wonderwitch Key...

What is this item I am getting?

Soldato J · Post by **Soldato J** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:49 pm

Anyone who wants to sell JSS, put me in line after iatneH...please

Feel free to PM or post here

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:55 pm

jp wrote:Also, the guy I bought Judgement Silversword from said he's also going to send me a free Wonderwitch Key...

What is this item I am getting?

Just a keychain. It was sold together with the JSS reprints.

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:43 pm

angrycoder wrote: The game itself is totally badass, but i still am undecided if it was worth the money given the wonderswan system itself. The lack of a backlight is really bugging me, as is the small size when holding it in tate mode.

Stick with it, though. I had the exact same feelings about the system when I first laid my hands on it, but now I love it. It *DOES* look somewhat more like a toy than a handheld console, but it just oozes quality nonetheless.

Only thing that puzzles me is that they took away the headphone option from the Swancrystal. Could have used it plenty.

Soldato J · Post by **Soldato J** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:01 pm

IIRC all Wswan had to have a special set of headphones--no standard jack

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:27 pm

Soldato J wrote:IIRC all Wswan had to have a special set of headphones--no standard jack

True!

Never had the urge to get one though...

Soldato J · Post by **Soldato J** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:03 pm

Yeah me neither, the crappy light that I bought sucks too (for my first BW swan)

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:03 pm

As fucking great as Judgement Silversword is... I fucking hate the Wonderswan and its buttons and its non-backlit screen.

And I must say, JS is a highly interesting game. Because despite the fact that it is physically PAINFUL to play it thanks to the horrendous design of the machine it runs on... for some reason... I keep playing it.

zak · Post by **zak** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:30 pm

please delete this post

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:17 pm

Is the SwanCrystal designed better than the SwanColor? My hands (index fingers actually) cannot take much more of this.

And is it easier to see shit in this game on the SwanCrystal? Because half of the time I'm getting killed by bullets I can't see thanks to the completely shit screen.

At any rate, if I can say anything about JS it is this: I wasn't expecting it to live anywhere near up to the hype... but by God, despite the shittiness of the Wonderswan... it does. Best.handheld.shmup.EVAR!