DDP3 Black Label... Clarification

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:48 pm

I recently got access to a DDP3 Black Label PCB as well as a normal DDP3 PCB and have performed a few tests.

You CANNOT take the EPROM from a Black Label and insert it into a normal DDP3 and get a Black Label.

If you do that you will get the message "ROM ERROR !"

Trying to reset the PCB while toggling the switch to the right of the JAMMA connector does nothing. Holding test/reset while power on does nothing.

Now could someone please tell me what the differences between a normal and a black label are ?

Update_1:
The Black Label uses a suicide battery for protection. Most likely a
certain id is stored in battery backed SRAM memory. When the
Black Label boots it checks for this id, if it is not there you get a
ROM ERROR like in the picture above.

If you get a ROM ERROR the only ones who can repair it are CAVE/AMI.

If you don't get a ROM error, now would be a good time to replace the
battery. However due to the battery type the replacement has to be
done while the board is powered:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 584#266584

The battery is a Varta 3/V80H and can be bought from Mouser.com

http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.asp ... 5608303012

Update_2:
A method of resurrecting dead Black Label PCB's has been devised. Read about it here:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=16402

I do NOT offer a service to convert regular Dai-Ou-Jou boards into the Black Label version.

rtw

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:00 pm

Interesting. I wonder if it requires a patch or something. I could have sworn people saying long ago cosmic was selling black labels marked as 'bootlegs' (in their oh-so-subtle * way).

However, I'm not so sure, as you'd think there would be a wider proliferation of converted boards if that were the case.

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:17 pm

zakk wrote:Interesting. I wonder if it requires a patch or something. I could have sworn people saying long ago cosmic was selling black labels marked as 'bootlegs' (in their oh-so-subtle * way).

However, I'm not so sure, as you'd think there would be a wider proliferation of converted boards if that were the case.

Interesting, if anyone has any pictures of these PCB's or know anything about these Cosmicco boards please speak up

rtw

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:52 pm

RTW, is there any sticker on your black label PCB that has a number on it? My ibara black label pcb is labelled as with a number less than 100 so I was wondering if your DOJ black label has something similar.

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:02 pm

zlk wrote:RTW, is there any sticker on your black label PCB that has a number on it? My ibara black label pcb is labelled as with a number less than 100 so I was wondering if your DOJ black label has something similar.

None of the cases has any sticker on the outside, but the PCB is labeled: CAVE 0875 the normal PCB is labeled: CAVE 0883

For those of you who do not want to open your sealed cases. Note that there is a battery on the PCB which might start to leak. It will have to be replaced or removed at some point.

rtw

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:27 pm

I opened my DOJ black label and found that it was numbered in the 1400s. Either I have a bootleg or Cave released a lot more black labels than 100.

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:40 pm

zlk wrote:I opened my DOJ black label and found that it was numbered in the 1400s. Either I have a bootleg or Cave released a lot more black labels than 100.

I believe the numbers are just the PCB production numbers. Then it's up to Cave to convert each of the PCB's to a Black Label. You can tell if you have a legit one by looking at the EPROM label.

rtw

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:45 am

Didn't Dangun Feveron have the same problem?

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:44 am

Valgar wrote:Didn't Dangun Feveron have the same problem?

Japanese Dangun boards wouldn't run unpatched Fever SOS roms.

Fever SOS boards could run Dangun roms fine.

Apparently the PGS stuff has protection that varies between games, and even between different versions of the same game.

We need to determine if there is even a such thing as a bootleg black label, and then we need to find someone with one who is willing to do some testing.

ResOGlas · Post by **ResOGlas** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:36 pm

Very interesting. Thanks for the info!

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:50 pm

zakk wrote:Interesting. I wonder if it requires a patch or something. I could have sworn people saying long ago cosmic was selling black labels marked as 'bootlegs' (in their oh-so-subtle * way).

i can not remeber this, and ive been on the cosmic mailing list for over 2 years running now...

its not impossible that sometime a black label PCB slipped thru cosmicoos hands but if they were bootleging them im surprised there havent been more around??

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:19 pm

sven666 wrote:
zakk wrote:Interesting. I wonder if it requires a patch or something. I could have sworn people saying long ago cosmic was selling black labels marked as 'bootlegs' (in their oh-so-subtle * way).
i can not remeber this, and ive been on the cosmic mailing list for over 2 years running now...

So have I

On the 14.04.2004 I got the following quote from Cosmicco:

DO DONPACHI3/DAOUJOU the Black Label US$375

Naturally I bought it, but it turned out to be a normal one. Their explanation was that they thought the title of the game included Black Label. I notcied that Coinopexpress was selling only Dai-Ou-Jou Black Labels as well.

So until someone shows me a bootleg board I'm sceptical

rtw

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:20 pm

EDIT: turns out my black label is just one that got sent back to cave for repair, sorry for any confusion

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:26 pm

jpj wrote:my doj black label bootleg:

Very interesting

Did you buy it from Cosmicco ? Have you got a picture of the PCB ?

rtw

Post by **undamned** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:46 pm

May need a ROM fix like the Fever SOS. Find out who the sheep had help him with that fix and they'd probably know where to look in the ROM data to see if it's an easy fix.
-ud

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:55 pm

undamned wrote:May need a ROM fix like the Fever SOS. Find out who the sheep had help him with that fix and they'd probably know where to look in the ROM data to see if it's an easy fix.
-ud

The people who made the Feveron patch were: rtw & tux
[I am sure you remember who made the dump

]

The patch is just a few NOP's in 68000 assembler but on the PGM hardware it is encrypted.

What we need is a picture of the "bootleg" PCB to determine if there are any visible patches + a dump of the EPROM.

rtw

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:07 pm

Uhm. Recently two BL died, here in Italy. They only showed this:

rtw wrote:

WTH? Are they bootlegs not perfectly fixed?

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:05 pm

LUNardei wrote:Uhm. Recently two BL died, here in Italy. They only showed this:
rtw wrote:
WTH? Are they bootlegs not perfectly fixed?

Hard to tell, do you have any pictures of these PCB's ?

rtw

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:28 pm

jpj and LUN need to get pcb pics asap!

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:18 pm

Sure, I'll try to obtain some pics. This may take a couple of days!

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:34 am

on a sidenote, what about Ibara BL ? same type of fix?

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:24 am

sven666 wrote:on a sidenote, what about Ibara BL ? same type of fix?

The SH-3 based hardware is completely different. No EPROMs at all, looks like the whole PCB is FLASH based and initialised using JTAG.

rtw

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:28 am

LUNardei wrote:Sure, I'll try to obtain some pics. This may take a couple of days!

Nice, I'm away for 14 days starting Saturday but will have sporadic inet access.

If it's possible please open the case, unscrew the PCB and put it on a scanner. 300DPI is enough. This gives the best image.

rtw

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:40 pm

rtw wrote: If it's possible please open the case, unscrew the PCB and put it on a scanner. 300DPI is enough. This gives the best image.

I'll ask to the guys!

ill6 · Post by **ill6** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:02 pm

LUNardei wrote:Uhm. Recently two BL died, here in Italy. They only showed this:
rtw wrote:
WTH? Are they bootlegs not perfectly fixed?

Thats 98 left then!

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:13 am

Ok, what's the battery on Cave's PGM based boards do?

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:01 am

zakk wrote:Ok, what's the battery on Cave's PGM based boards do?

saves your settings (but not the hs

)

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:44 am

My Ibara was saving high scores.

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:51 am

Valgar wrote:My Ibara was saving high scores.

Ibara is not PGM hardware it's SH-3. It has a small replaceable battery.

rtw

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:59 am

sorry I thought he meant SH-3.

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