DDP3 Black Label... Resurrection

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:00 pm

With kind assistance from the "encryption faery" and
Charles MacDonald, I have devised a method of resurrecting
dead Dai-Ou-Jou Black Label PCB's

The process involves writing the magic values back into NVRAM
using a special program. This means that your PCB is unchanged
but it will suicide again if you do not keep the battery charged!

To avoid piracy I have decided to not release this ROM for now.
Instead you have to send the PCB to me and I will do the resurrection.

Before you send it to me you need to do the following

. Remove the PCB from the metal case.

. Fit the PCB with a new battery. (Varta 3/V80H) or equivalent.

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDet ... MP-16-2NMH

. Do NOT remove any EPROM's from the PCB they will act as verification.

Shipping

Shipping must be trackable i.e. EMS or similar. This is expensive but
so is the PCB.

The packaging of the PCB must be done in such a manner that I can
return the PCB using the original packaging meterial.

Return Shipping

Trackable return shipping to be paid by owner:

Battery Change

If you want me to replace the battery for you I will perform
this task for 25 EUR. However you will still have to buy it
yourself and include it in your shipment.

Handling fee

I will charge a handling fee of 11 EUR per PCB.

Payment

All payments to be done via PayPal.

Contact

tormod

gmail

com

Use the subject: resurrection, and acknowledge that you
have read the disclaimer below. Please include your shmup nickname.

Disclaimer:
I am offering this service to the community to resurrect dead boards.
I take absolutely no responsibility for loss or damage either within
transit, or during the resurrection process. The owner is completely liable.

For Italian Black Label owners we now have an individual which
can resurrect them in Italy

. Contact me via the email address
above and I'll forward the email to him.

I do NOT offer a service to convert regular Dai-Ou-Jou boards into the Black Label version.

rtw

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:31 pm

Nice. I think I'll wait a while to see if Cave offer anything first.

KNTain · Post by **KNTain** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:34 pm

Wow. Awesome work.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:10 am

Congrats rtw! Obviously this is both good news and bad news for current BL owners. I commend you on the tenacity and moral obligation...but its only a matter of time now.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:30 am

how is it bad news?

Post by **Dave_K.** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:55 am

Well as soon as this is released, we will be able to convert all our DOJs to BLs. Say goodbye to the resale value of the PCB alone.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:45 am

Would you be able, theoretically, to load this ROM onto a normal DOJ PCB? If so, wouldn't that make the suicide problem null and void? I mean, normal DOJ PCBs don't suicide, right? Or is it something in the ROM which suicides the board?

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:48 am

So basically there's no bad news. Great!

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:54 am

Seeing as how dealing in PCBs for profit is about the stupidest idea I've ever heard of for making money, I fail to see how this can be anything but good. Especially if they can upgrade standard PCBs to Black Label.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:03 am

Dave_K. wrote:Well as soon as this is released, we will be able to convert all our DOJs to BLs. Say goodbye to the resale value of the PCB alone.

Well clearly the reason he's making people send him boards is so he doesn't have to give anyone the rom that writes values into nvram....

EOJ wrote:Would you be able, theoretically, to load this ROM onto a normal DOJ PCB? If so, wouldn't that make the suicide problem null and void? I mean, normal DOJ PCBs don't suicide, right? Or is it something in the ROM which suicides the board?

A converted DOJ would still suicide; the suicide is caused by the magic values in nvram going away, which would still happen if the board was left unattended.

To make a non-suicide DOJ/BL you'd have to patch the rom to ignore the nvram magic value check.

The nvram patching method rtw does is better in the sense that you don't have to modify the BL rom at all (which would mean peeling the sticker off), so it's really an unmolested BL after being resurrected.

Although I still wish there was a way to convert DOJ to BL without opening the door to bootlegging. Even if it involved putting some big ugly text on an attract screen or something that said THIS IS NOT AN ORIGINAL. Oh well.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:39 am

Arvandor wrote:Seeing as how dealing in PCBs for profit is about the stupidest idea I've ever heard of for making money, I fail to see how this can be anything but good. Especially if they can upgrade standard PCBs to Black Label.

I think you are confusing collectors and resellers. Resellers are the stupid people trying to profit off PCBs in the 2nd hand market. Collectors buy these boards because they have the capital to do so, and assume the resale value is stable enough that they can sell and recoup most (if not all) of their costs when they need to. So yes this hurts collectors. It also floods the market with bootlegs making it difficult to verify original boards (as Zakk mentioned).

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:51 am

Well, I'm not too fond of collectors in general, so they get no sympathy from me.

I can understand the bootleg point though. That's certainly not a good thing. Perhaps it's best if you can't upgrade standard to Black Label, but being able to resurrect Black Label is nothing but good near as I can tell.

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:04 am

Dave_K. wrote:It also floods the market with bootlegs making it difficult to verify original boards (as Zakk mentioned).

How does it flood the market with bootlegs ? There is NO ROM
release. You have to send the PCB to me, I update the NVRAM,
if the battery dies the game suicides again.

rtw

Post by **Dave_K.** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:24 am

I said it was only a matter of time, before the roms and nvram are released, now that we know its possible, thats all. I commended you for your moral obligation to not let that happen right now.

robivy64 · Post by **robivy64** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:09 pm

Does this affect any other games running on the PGM-based hardware? I haven't heard of a Ketsui or Galuda suiciding yet...

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:16 pm

robivy64 wrote:Does this affect any other games running on the PGM-based hardware? I haven't heard of a Ketsui or Galuda suiciding yet...

AFAIK they do not use any "magic" NVRAM values therefore they will
not suicide.

rtw

Raidenfighter Kirkov · Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:39 pm

Hello !

Short interrupt:

Is there any other cave board with the suicide problem ?

What about Ketsui ?

*gnaaa and dont mention the switch of the devil himself again RTW

*

So if i change the battery in time i would not encounter any problem, is that so ?

Greetings
RFK

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:47 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

*tears hair*

doesent anyone read anything anymore!!??

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:56 pm

RFK,

. No other suicides AFAIK
. The "devil switch" is because of the buggy first s/w release
. The battery must be changed live, see the "Clarification" thread

rtw

Post by **Shatterhand** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:00 pm

does it actually says "Resurrected" when booting?

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:37 pm

Shatterhand wrote:does it actually says "Resurrected" when booting?

No that is the message from the Resurrection ROM when it is done.

rtw

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:59 pm

Dave_K. wrote:
I think you are confusing collectors and resellers. Resellers are the stupid people trying to profit off PCBs in the 2nd hand market. Collectors buy these boards because they have the capital to do so, and assume the resale value is stable enough that they can sell and recoup most (if not all) of their costs when they need to.).

sounds like a pretty fine line to me.

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:25 pm

lol..I have now decided I want to buy this game : )

thegreathopper · Post by **thegreathopper** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:51 pm

So can a DOJ be changed to a Black label?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:29 pm

thegreathopper wrote:So can a DOJ be changed to a Black label?

Only if you have the ROM and know how to do it. At this point, rtw is the only one on the planet known to be able to do this, so you now you can safely answer this "no".

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:13 am

Well, I'm not too fond of collectors in general, so they get no sympathy from me.

Hey I collect these things but it's not for profit or anything. Once I buy it I keep it b/c I want to play it. I buy to play whenever I want.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:19 am

That's not a "collector" in the same sense. At least, not to me =P I'm a collector in about the same sense you are, which is not at all the sense in what Dave K. was meaning.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:39 am

What other kind of collectors are there? YOu buy shit - if you keep it, you collect.

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:07 am

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That's not a "collector" in the same sense. At least, not to me =P I'm a collector in about the same sense you are, which is not at all the sense in what Dave K. was meaning.

haha..I read tomatoe tomatoe? (sound it out different the second time : P)

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:20 am

It's like the difference between bikers who ride to Sturgis, and bikers who trailer their bikes to Sturgis. They're both still bikers, but one's a schmuck.

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