Khoa confirmed that this issue still exists in the PC release.Elixir wrote:Anyway, I'd like to point out a bug in Arrange A which prevents me from playing the entire mode, it's possible in the 360 port.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WeM26hlyeQ
If anyone wants to try and replicate this, knock yourself out, but I don't know if it still works in the English release.
So basically in this video, I'm hard-locking the game in Arrange A which forces me to turn off my 360. This is done by pressing and holding auto (almost always), shot (= laser, think of it as holding shot in touhou and then focusing on top of), and trying to activate hyper and change styles at once.
If this doesn't make much sense, it's basically like this: as soon as you get the hyper in Arrange A, you're supposed to switch to trigger it and switch to the correct Normal/Boost style. Hypering and changing while holding auto and shot seem to freeze the game. If you stop holding auto/shot to press a button to activate hyper, and another button to switch styles, it's detrimental to your hit counter.
I mentioned this to Van (Van_Artic) once and he couldn't replicate it, but I've replicated it on a different 360, with different 360 controllers, even different controllers entirely through adapters (ie. PS2 Saturn pad). Someone else mentioned this issue once but I can't remember their name.
I'm not sure if this will even exist in the PC release, but if it does, I'll soon know.
1. CAVE is aware of the invisible boss, it was just discovered too late (it doesn't happen universally, just as Pepsiman pointed out, it didn't happen to him at first) to fix before launch. It is being worked on.Jinki wrote:Probably more likely that those people have never played the original version...NickPalmerDegica wrote:Can we get computer specs. Cause the BLA slowdown seems weird that it is happening for some people but not for others. May be related to a specific type of hardware.
But better yet, hard question time.
1. How do you miss a boss being invisible in a Shmup?
2. How do you miss there being no bullet slowdown in Hyper on Arrange A?
Those are hypothetical, by-the-way. We all know the answer.
The vocalist (I assume it's Kudo himself?) has an accent and pronounces some words phonetically rather than how a native English speaker would, so it can be a little tricky to pick out. Here's all I can attempt:AxelMill wrote:Hey guyssss, I wanted to ask you something.
Does anybody know if there are actual lyrics to songs like BL's Presentiment (S4), and WL's Longhena Cantata (Taisabachi) and ]-[|/34<#! (Hibachi)?
All I understand from the first song is "rice hear, is a no more hope man, tell we disappear, nahshee, nahshee go more". I'm probably kinda wrong.
except it's not nowhere near "within reason" right now, arrange A and BL arrange are in an absolutely unplayable state for everyone I knowNickPalmerDegica wrote:We are going to try to get it as accurate as possible within reason. But trying to accurately recreate a game that used the limitations of the hardware it was on as part of the mechanics on an infinite number of potential builds is practically impossible.
A Japanese superplayer played Arrange A, hit Hyper and said, "Hmm, yeah, this is close enough." Maybe with a gun to their head.NickPalmerDegica wrote:2. I'm not sure, as I'm not part of the QA team, but it was played heavily by Japanese superplayers, who agreed that it was close, but not exact.
I'd settle for close.The problem is that exact is, not going to be possible. It just isn't.
Maybe if we weren't still waiting on Deathsmiles to get fixed.So can we have a little bit of patience? Please?
I hate to double quote but i think the post contains vital information which is worth being repeated.Elixir wrote:Khoa confirmed that this issue still exists in the PC release.Elixir wrote:Anyway, I'd like to point out a bug in Arrange A which prevents me from playing the entire mode, it's possible in the 360 port.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WeM26hlyeQ
If anyone wants to try and replicate this, knock yourself out, but I don't know if it still works in the English release.
So basically in this video, I'm hard-locking the game in Arrange A which forces me to turn off my 360. This is done by pressing and holding auto (almost always), shot (= laser, think of it as holding shot in touhou and then focusing on top of), and trying to activate hyper and change styles at once.
If this doesn't make much sense, it's basically like this: as soon as you get the hyper in Arrange A, you're supposed to switch to trigger it and switch to the correct Normal/Boost style. Hypering and changing while holding auto and shot seem to freeze the game. If you stop holding auto/shot to press a button to activate hyper, and another button to switch styles, it's detrimental to your hit counter.
I mentioned this to Van (Van_Artic) once and he couldn't replicate it, but I've replicated it on a different 360, with different 360 controllers, even different controllers entirely through adapters (ie. PS2 Saturn pad). Someone else mentioned this issue once but I can't remember their name.
I'm not sure if this will even exist in the PC release, but if it does, I'll soon know.
Simply put, I'm not buying it and I won't buy it until Arrange A becomes playable.
I've enjoye Degica's shmup ports. But it looks like Cave has no idea how to hold the rickety coding of their games together while doing a port, and Degica has no choice but to pass it off and do damage control as best they can. Doesn't look like Cave knows how to fix the issues, so it's sure as hell out of Degi's hands.defected78 wrote:This is a joke like deathsmiles that isnt patched to this day.
Deciga stick to rpgs.
Aeon Zenith - My STG.RegalSin wrote:Japan an almost perfect society always threatened by outsiders....................
Instead I am stuck in the America's where women rule with an iron crotch, and a man could get arrested for sitting behind a computer too long.
degica is not developing anything, they have to put up with cave's shit just like we do and they did nothing wrongIllyrian wrote:One of the developers of the game is literally on the forum every day talking to people directly and trying to help. How about a little respect for that effort?
it's utterly unplayable for maybe 90% of the people here, if not 100%Illyrian wrote:All the points the guy from Degica made about different hardware and problems with slowdown are completely reasonable by the way.
Firstly, that CAVE even used the limitation of the PCB as part of the game play instead of finding a way to code slowdown properly is totally mental.
Secondly, every game spergs out for some people on PC just because of how many different configuration there are, especially with people trying to play modern games on 8 year old Dell laptops etc.
Fair dues I didn't know actually how bad it was as I haven't played it yet myself.Bananamatic wrote:degica is not developing anything, they have to put up with cave's shit just like we do and they did nothing wrongIllyrian wrote:One of the developers of the game is literally on the forum every day talking to people directly and trying to help. How about a little respect for that effort?
the only people mad at degica are the ones who think they actually do the programming
it's utterly unplayable for maybe 90% of the people here, if not 100%Illyrian wrote:All the points the guy from Degica made about different hardware and problems with slowdown are completely reasonable by the way.
Firstly, that CAVE even used the limitation of the PCB as part of the game play instead of finding a way to code slowdown properly is totally mental.
Secondly, every game spergs out for some people on PC just because of how many different configuration there are, especially with people trying to play modern games on 8 year old Dell laptops etc.
I doubt that every single tester they had just happened to have the perfect setup where it works fine
and it's not slightly off slowdown at some points or certain attacks like in the 360 ports, it's straight up missing from arrange A, meanwhile BL arrange starts slowing down to a crawl with 10 bullets onscreen
it's trash and cave should be aware of it, I hope they either get their shit together or go under by they time they get to sdoj
It's somewhat reasonable from Degica's perspective because they aren't privy to the game's inner workings but not from CAVE's. They should have really designed their slowdown simulation to be hardware agnostic from the beginning, but they didn't think ahead and now refuse to do any major reprogramming.Illyrian wrote:All the points the guy from Degica made about different hardware and problems with slowdown are completely reasonable by the way.
I had the same problems on 360 but I'd never seen it mentioned anywhere so I assumed it was just me. Is it random occasional lulls in your shot while tapping?tjg92 wrote:The biggest issue for me is that when I tap the shot button my ship will shoot for a while and then just stop for no reason, no matter how I tap the button. So I've been having to use the autofireI'm using a Hori RAP4, and I haven't had the issue in any other degica game or any other shmup in general.
Like tjg92 I also play on a stick, so tapping is perfectly comfortable and works as expected in every CAVE game other than DFK.Bananamatic wrote:I don't think anyone uses the tap shot to use rapid fire in cave games
you're meant to hold down full auto
I don't think they need to do that anyway (seems impossible also), again I think something like simulating/virtualizing the 360's environement in a stable manner on Windows would do (or at least the specifications that matter). Maybe that's what they've tried to do since the beginning but it failed...Sadd wrote:They should have really designed their slowdown simulation to be hardware agnostic from the beginning, but they didn't think ahead and now refuse to do any major reprogramming.
Strikers1945guy wrote:"Do we....eat chicken balls?!"
Remote Weapon GunFencer - My shmup projectRegalSin wrote: I think I have downloaded so much I am bored with downloading. No really I bored with downloading stuff I might consider moving to Canada or the pacific.
the A shot usually has different mechanics from the C one, when tapping A there is a fixed minimal amount of shot you release, meanwhile with C it's much lower to the point of being able to release only a single burst if you do a really short tapSadd wrote:Like tjg92 I also play on a stick, so tapping is perfectly comfortable and works as expected in every CAVE game other than DFK.
I already use full-auto in DFK, just wanted to throw in that I'd encountered the same issue because it didn't seem intentional and I'd never seen it discussed.Bananamatic wrote:the A shot usually has different mechanics from the C one, when tapping A there is a fixed minimal amount of shot you release, meanwhile with C it's much lower to the point of being able to release only a single burst if you do a really short tapSadd wrote:Like tjg92 I also play on a stick, so tapping is perfectly comfortable and works as expected in every CAVE game other than DFK.
just get used to C full auto, BL and BL arrange use the whole hold A+C for stronger attack and raise rank anyways so that's how I think it's meant to be played
It seems more like you're the only one here without the extreme slowdownNickPalmerDegica wrote:The BLA slowdown exists, but, not on every machine.
I actually posted a video further back that shows what I see in BLA, and it isn't near what people are reporting. So I think most of it will be identifying why it works on some and doesn't on others. Hopefully CAVE can get it settled.
