BATTLE GAREGGA REV.2016 (M2)

GSK · Post by **GSK** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:40 am

It's no coincidence that these boutique collector-based publishers are all run outside of Japan and liaise with western devs and/or international devs with western presence.

You also have to remember that they're generally taking cheap games and selling them at a higher price; M2's making a point of pricing Garegga much higher than the average retro re-release and they're not going to drop the price for the sake of a western distributor, nor is the distributor going to want to sell an obscure game at a premium.

Best case scenario, M2 puts it out on a disc later on for the diehards to rebuy (and let's not kid ourselves, they'll do it). Anyway, wouldn't you be annoyed if they launched with a disc only for the game to be broken in some stupid way that requires immediate patching? I'm content to wait and I have faith that it'll happen at some point.

drunkninja24 · Post by **drunkninja24** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:39 am

If there's any physical release in the works for this port, I fully expect it to be in the form of some compilation with Dangun and whatever other games come in the Shot TriGgers series.

AxelMill · Post by **AxelMill** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:57 am

drunkninja24 wrote:If there's any physical release in the works for this port, I fully expect it to be in the form of some compilation with Dangun and whatever other games come in the Shot TriGgers series.

The thing is, both games seem to cost 40$ (if Dangun doesn't, sorry). If there were to be a compilation that includes those two and some more, it would either cost 150+ bucks (like that Cave collection on 360), or wouldn't come out in a loong time, maybe after the price drops for every single game in the series. If it ever drops.

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:13 pm

GSK wrote:Best case scenario, M2 puts it out on a disc later on for the diehards to rebuy (and let's not kid ourselves, they'll do it). Anyway, wouldn't you be annoyed if they launched with a disc only for the game to be broken in some stupid way that requires immediate patching? I'm content to wait and I have faith that it'll happen at some point.

As someone who'll always go for physical media, that's my ideal too. Getting the game out is first priority; if a disc does appear later, a reissue sounds like a good way for both M2 and fans.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:01 pm

BIL wrote:
GSK wrote:Best case scenario, M2 puts it out on a disc later on for the diehards to rebuy (and let's not kid ourselves, they'll do it). Anyway, wouldn't you be annoyed if they launched with a disc only for the game to be broken in some stupid way that requires immediate patching? I'm content to wait and I have faith that it'll happen at some point.
As someone who'll always go for physical media, that's my ideal too. Getting the game out is first priority; if a disc does appear later, a reissue sounds like a good way for both M2 and fans.

No way I am double dipping on this one.
If they think there´s enough demand for it (and I believe there is), they should release a physical edition immediately in stead of later.
If they don´t they´re basically fucking over real fans. I know am getting the physical DBCS, but would rather have had it from the beginning.
A 3000 or 4000 copies release should be profitable. I´d pay $80 or more for it and am pretty sure more than enough other people would do too.

CloudyMusic · Post by **CloudyMusic** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:06 pm

Super Laydock wrote:If they don´t they´re basically fucking over real fans.

What is a "real fan" in this context? Someone who cares more about collector's value than the fact that we're actually getting a quality port that is financially viable for the developer?

Eaglet · Post by **Eaglet** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:13 pm

Yeah. A "real fan" already has the game so it's only the extra junk (dev. book primarily) that's of any interest.

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:18 pm

Super Laydock wrote:If they think there´s enough demand for it (and I believe there is), they should release a physical edition immediately in stead of later.
If they don´t they´re basically fucking over real fans. I know am getting the physical DBCS, but would rather have had it from the beginning.
A 3000 or 4000 copies release should be profitable. I´d pay $80 or more for it and am pretty sure more than enough other people would do too.

It's a compromise, to be sure. But if that's what it takes for a dedicated port of a legendary shooter to be viable on disc these days, so be it. I'll happily go with this arrangement rather than expect M2 to gamble for my sake. I am a fanatic after all!

No way I am double dipping on this one.

Never again is what you swore, the time before... ♫

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:35 pm

Keres wrote:
Super Laydock wrote:If they don´t they´re basically fucking over real fans.
What is a "real fan" in this context? Someone who cares more about collector's value than the fact that we're actually getting a quality port that is financially viable for the developer?

In this context it means people willing to pay the extra for the game and yes having a physical copy is more value than a digital download.
If they only release it digitally... no problem I´d get it too.
But like with DBCS releasing a physical copy only after all people interested have bought it... that´s fucking people over and asking for people who are the "real fans" to pay twice for something theywanted in the first place. (real fans isn´t the best term I realise now, but for the lack of better I use it again).

BIL wrote: Never again is what you swore, the time before... ♫

Yeah I know...

Eaglet wrote:Yeah. A "real fan" already has the game so it's only the extra junk (dev. book primarily) that's of any interest.

Having a Saturn doesn´t mean it´s always convenient to hook up just to play a game.
I sold my copy long ago btw, because I didn´t play it on my Saturn due to this reason.

Xyga · Post by **Xyga** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:36 pm

Everyone prefers a physical copy because in secret they think if the world goes full fuck (soon!), every video game company in the world and the internet itself down, at least they'll still be able to play the game if they can find a working power line somewhere, even if just an emergency generator.
(people will fight over a can of gasoil for the chance of playing a few credits of Garegga, you all know it'll happen. there will be temples and priests also)

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:40 pm

Xyga wrote:Everyone prefers a physical copy because in secret they think if the world goes full fuck (soon!), every video game company in the world and the internet itself down, at least they'll still be able to play the game if they can find a working power line somewhere, even if just an emergency generator.

U got it!

pegboy · Post by **pegboy** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:51 pm

When's the PC version coming out?

Shepardus · Post by **Shepardus** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:12 pm

Super Laydock wrote:Having a Saturn doesn´t mean it´s always convenient to hook up just to play a game.
I sold my copy long ago btw, because I didn´t play it on my Saturn due to this reason.

If it's about convenience, wouldn't a digital version be more convenient, at least after downloading the game?

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:19 pm

Shepardus wrote:
Super Laydock wrote:Having a Saturn doesn´t mean it´s always convenient to hook up just to play a game.
I sold my copy long ago btw, because I didn´t play it on my Saturn due to this reason.
If it's about convenience, wouldn't a digital version be more convenient, at least after downloading the game?

Convenience in this case to me means having the console hooked up already and not fiddling with cables and getting things out of boxes if I want to play it.
My PS4 is hooked up, so that means convenience if I just have to put the disc in.
Yes DL is even more convenient, but DL is worthless compared to physical release which you could play anytime you want even without servers up and possibly resell if needed/wished for.

trap15 · Post by **trap15** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:02 pm

pegboy wrote:When's the PC version coming out?

Likely never

pegboy · Post by **pegboy** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:08 pm

trap15 wrote:
pegboy wrote:When's the PC version coming out?
Likely never

Ehh that's too bad. Guess I'll just continue to play it for free in MAME. Ports of 20 year old games are not enough to make me buy a modern console.

Eaglet · Post by **Eaglet** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:55 pm

Btw, i'm gonna stream some Garegga for hyping the port next week.
6th October over here: https://www.twitch.tv/heysthlm
Plan to make it as informational as possible.

edit: Streaming should start around 17-18 GMT+1

Van_Artic · Post by **Van_Artic** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:29 pm

Eaglet wrote:Btw, i'm gonna stream some Garegga for hyping the port next week.
6th October over here: https://www.twitch.tv/heysthlm
Plan to make it as informational as possible.

spreading the word!!

Eaglet · Post by **Eaglet** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:53 pm

Van_Artic wrote: spreading the word!!

Thanks man!

Eaglet · Post by **Eaglet** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:42 pm

Date has been changed due to some trouble with scheduling.
New time is Tuesday the 11th (one week from now) at approximately 15-17 GMT+1 and onwards!

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:38 pm

Eaglet wrote:Date has been changed due to some trouble with scheduling.
New time is Tuesday the 11th (one week from now) at approximately 15-17 GMT+1 and onwards!

Ouch, right before the Daifukkatsu Steam release?

Eaglet · Post by **Eaglet** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:40 pm

Durandal wrote:
Eaglet wrote:Date has been changed due to some trouble with scheduling.
New time is Tuesday the 11th (one week from now) at approximately 15-17 GMT+1 and onwards!
Ouch, right before the Daifukkatsu Steam release?

Hadn't thought about that... but can't really change it now so what are ya gonna do. Come and watch if you wanna see some Garegga.

I'll be taking requests for which ship i use.

Bananamatic · Post by **Bananamatic** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:47 am

no one gives a shit about dfk
especially not garegga dads

Eaglet · Post by **Eaglet** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:31 am

You're learning, son.

KaiserFoxHD · Post by **KaiserFoxHD** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:06 pm

Not gonna lie, when I saw that this was up for pre order I was about to jump right on it no hesitation, but as soon as I was informed that it doesn't have a physical disc, I dropped it completely. I'm going to assume that the Japanese public downloads everything and no longer cares about physical releases.

It sucks cause there are alot of people out there who still rather hold a physical game than some download code

gatsu25 · Post by **gatsu25** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:43 am

KaiserFoxHD wrote:Not gonna lie, when I saw that this was up for pre order I was about to jump right on it no hesitation, but as soon as I was informed that it doesn't have a physical disc, I dropped it completely. I'm going to assume that the Japanese public downloads everything and no longer cares about physical releases.

It sucks cause there are alot of people out there who still rather hold a physical game than some download code

What's really ridiculous about this to me is just the opposite. Japanese are not all about downloads at all and still prefer physical media, I would say more than the US or Europe.

More than a few wii and ps4 and.Vita releases have been physical here and digital elsewhere.

Edit: Live in Japan

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:43 am

I'm only really bothered about buying the physical version of a game if I think I'm going to sell it on. This will no doubt be a keeper so I don't care. If anything it's more convenient as I don't have to swap discs. Yes, it may disappear from PSN eventually but what are the chances of a PS4 disc working on PS5 anyway?

If you're passing on the LE because there's no disc, fair enough but if you're refusing to buy it altogether you're a knob. No wonder M2 can't afford a print run.

Illyrian · Post by **Illyrian** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:52 am

If DFK comes with Ketsuipachi I am going balls deep into the steam release.

OmegaFlareX · Post by **OmegaFlareX** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:10 pm

Illyrian wrote:If DFK comes with Ketsuipachi I am going balls deep into the steam release.

It does. Lube it up and hope they patch the inevitable tech problems quickly.

GSK · Post by **GSK** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:22 am

The website was updated with details on screen options (yes there's tate, in case you had doubts), the "gadgets" that display on either side of the screen in yoko mode, the leaderboards, etc. It also confirms full button config, bullet colour switching, etc.

They also updated with a full list of retailers carrying the LE: they intend to start putting them together after October 20, so you only have a couple more weeks to place an order. (They haven't announced the Amazon-exclusive tchotchke but BEEP's getting a replica PCB box, 1983 is getting a M2 calendar with photos from Garegga and Sega 3D Classics, etc.)

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