Bottom Line: Ibara or Under Defeat?

0ktober · Post by **0ktober** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:21 pm

Money is a little tight for the next month or so, so I can really only afford one of these two, especially if I need to pick up a refurb DC to play UD.

If you had to only have one for the next month, which would you pick?

Oh, and I'm not entirely new. I'm the same Oktober from last year.

Metal Gear Okt · Post by **Metal Gear Okt** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:39 pm

Ah ha.

I knew my name was something screwy here.

Uh, I guess I'll use my old account, admins can delete the 0ktober account if they want.

Texhnolyze · Post by **Texhnolyze** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:53 pm

I'm in the same boat. And I picked Ibara.

If you liked Zero Gunner 2 then by all means get Under Defeat. I like Cave shmups and it's a no-brainer for me. I have a large number of PS2 shmups and almost always end up playing Cave.

~Kid Icarus~ · Post by **~Kid Icarus~** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:58 pm

Yep, Ibara for me too.

Metal Gear Okt · Post by **Metal Gear Okt** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:00 pm

I'm definitely leaning in that direction. I loved Zero Gunner 2, don't get me wrong, but I loved Garegga even more.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:01 pm

if youre not dying for either one (it doesnt seem like you are anyways) id pick under defeat.

Ibara will be around fora long time to come, its not gonna become rare/expensive anytime soon, rather the opposite.

under defeat may be a limited release and it may sell out and shoot up in price like border down did..

i think both seem like really fantastic games! (tho obviously im more stoked regarding Ibara being sucha a r8zing nut)

Metal Gear Okt · Post by **Metal Gear Okt** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:04 pm

You do have a point sven.

now I'm back to where I started.

jp · Post by jp » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:17 pm

Under Defeat. Chances are its going to cost a lot more down the road than Ibara.

And personally IMO, G.Rev >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cave

Metal Gear Okt · Post by **Metal Gear Okt** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:20 pm

jp wrote:Under Defeat. Chances are its going to cost a lot more down the road than Ibara.

And personally IMO, G.Rev >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cave

That's a bold statement to make. I <3 Border Down, but I've never had the pleasure of playing Senko No Ronde, so weighing one game against Cave's entire catalog is hardly fair.

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:21 pm

ibara just becuz its a cave home port..its a celebration!

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:57 pm

I'm not able to order more than one game for the moment myself...seeing as Under Defeat is supposed to have a bit more of an "old school" vibe to it, and I tend to prefer "modern style" shooters, I went with Ibara, with Rajirugi as my second choice. Of course, others prefer old-style stuff, so they might be more in the running for UD...and what's been said about it likely ending up more expensive is likely true too.

In any event, I haven't played either yet, so however you look at it it's still a matter of crossing my fingers and hoping the one I picked is the one I'd like best, heh heh.

Metal Gear Okt · Post by **Metal Gear Okt** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:12 pm

I'm going to go home and play Garegga and meditate on this.

subcons · Post by **subcons** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:29 am

I adored ZG2. More my pace than any Cave game. But I do love Cave games.

It basicaly came down to the point that Sven brought up. I think the DC releases will be harder to come by and hold value better. Someone will get rid of an Ibara down the line and I'll pick it up second hand at some point.

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:00 am

sven666 wrote:if youre not dying for either one (it doesnt seem like you are anyways) id pick under defeat.

Ibara will be around fora long time to come, its not gonna become rare/expensive anytime soon, rather the opposite.

under defeat may be a limited release and it may sell out and shoot up in price like border down did..

i think both seem like really fantastic games! (tho obviously im more stoked regarding Ibara being sucha a r8zing nut)

Same opinion here, the price of Under Defeat WILL rise.

While Taito would very likely release a BEST version of Ibara later, you could pick it up cheap later.

U K Narayan · Post by **U K Narayan** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:39 am

Under Defeat's soundtrack is better than Ibara's.

Same composer, too.

Guardians Knight · Post by **Guardians Knight** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:05 am

i had this problem earlier this month and plumped for UD for all the above reasons and it was a few quid cheaper, altho i do love Garegga so i'll be finding a granny to rob so i can get Ibara sooner rather than later.

Pedro Lambrini · Post by **Pedro Lambrini** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:18 am

I'm going for UD for the same reasons as everyone has already mentioned. Ibara will turn up on eBay in a while going for pennies, UD on the other hand...

Also, isn't it more expedient to support the DC these days? That way there are more platforms for shmups for everybody and may help in diversity, IE/ UD is very different to Ibara but we have the choice of both styles.

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:22 am

Ibara will turn up on eBay in a while going for pennies

eh?? who says?? can i borrow your crystal stargazer please

Pedro Lambrini · Post by **Pedro Lambrini** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:35 am

^
Most folk on this thread! Oh, and experience.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:51 pm

Under Defeat!

Always wanted to have more G.REV after Border Down and now this is it!

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:51 pm

I love Cave, but I hate Raizing, so I don't think Ibara will satisfy my itch. Also, I don't know why people keep comparing UD with Zero Gunner 2. I don't think they're even remotely similar in play style. UD has an almost Seibu-like quality to its gameplay, and I dig that vibe.

So yeah, UD for me.

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:59 pm

DC906270 wrote:
Ibara will turn up on eBay in a while going for pennies
eh?? who says?? can i borrow your crystal stargazer please

Well, it might not really being sold for pennies, but as I said before Taito would very likely release a BEST version of it later.

The BEST version of would cost $20 new and $12 used. The BEST version of MushiHimeSama is coming.

Texhnolyze · Post by **Texhnolyze** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:14 pm

SAM wrote: The BEST version of would cost $20 new and $12 used. The BEST version of MushiHimeSama is coming.

And without a doubt the ISOs of UD and Ibara will show up on bittorrent within days of release.

I need to save my money for UD.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:21 pm

UNDER DEFEAT

Metal Gear Okt · Post by **Metal Gear Okt** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:08 pm

UD doesn't ship until the end of march, right?

I'm going to take my chances and get Ibara next week, then UD as my "april" game.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:46 pm

Texhnolyze wrote:
And without a doubt the ISOs of UD and Ibara will show up on bittorrent within days of release.

And I hope everyone using them and not buying the games will get some truely painfull disease!

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:32 pm

I cancelled my Ibara preorder and got Homura instead. Totally worth it. If I had to choose between the 2, I'd go with Under Defeat. Unless you're a rank n' suicide guy, of course. I've got a Bakraid PCB and that's all the suiciding I need.

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:20 am

Acid King wrote:I cancelled my Ibara preorder and got Homura instead. Totally worth it. If I had to choose between the 2, I'd go with Under Defeat. Unless you're a rank n' suicide guy, of course. I've got a Bakraid PCB and that's all the suiciding I need.

Suicide?!?!

I don't need that.

No matter how much times I suicide, I could never get pass Stage 1 of Ibara.

Alpolio · Post by **Alpolio** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:42 am

I wish that it was possible to rent these first.

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:19 pm

but it is!