Eschatos -FINAL JUDGEMENT- Score Challenge

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Eschatos -FINAL JUDGEMENT- Score Challenge

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Hello, everyone. Lately there’s been a lot of antagonism on these boards—why can’t the casuals try harder, why can’t the superplayers leave us the heck alone—some real house divided stuff. I don't know what the answer is; maybe there could be some positive change on both sides. But what I'm here to say is that doesn't really matter now. All this infighting between users, that's gotta end. Because the game has changed; because the earth is under attack by hostile alien forces. As you well know, lunarorbital bombardment began one week ago today. Since then, death tolls have risen to an estimated 500,000 human lives. The direct effects of bombardment were devastating enough, but the indirect effects—tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanic activity, and a slight rise in temperature of the world's oceans—threaten to wipe out all life on earth unless immediate measures are taken.

I propose a challenge to everyone on these boards: To put forth your best effort to combat the Purple Erosion, to upload your best high score no matter if you top out at area 5 in time attack or if you can 1-ALL original hardest, and to fight for the future of our flawed planet. To that end I'd like to award a small prize to the overall highest score in the game's Original Hard, Advanced Normal, and Time Attack modes. In addition, I'd like to award the same small prize to three randomly chosen users who post their best scores in this topic. I think there's a lot to be said for just being a community, and taking part in friendly competition whether or not you can achieve a world-record score. I encourage you to take part, not because STGs have to be played for score or for survival, or for whatever, but because it might be a lot of fun for you and everyone else.

-The Rules-
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1. To participate, take a picture of your score (like, the computer screen) and yourself (just your hand is fine) holding a piece of paper that has your username and the words "M-Kai is Qute" written on it by 10/18/15.
2. To be eligible, you need to post evidence of a *new* high score from either the Steam or 360 version of Eschatos. What I mean is that you can't just default to the Eschatos score you set in 2012 or whatever. I will accept any score set in the Steam version, but only ones with clear evidence of "newness" in the 360 version. I think that means you have to have a replay saved to your HD or uploaded to Xbox Live to get the timestamp, but maybe there's another way as well.

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3. Three prizes will be awarded to the top scorer in 1) Original Hard mode 2) Advanced Normal mode and 3) Time Attack mode; however, I will not award two prizes to the same person.
4. Three additional prizes will be awarded to three random participants (I'll use a number generator unless somebody has a better solution)
5. My prizes have a right to suck. Do not expect a golden statue of M-Kai and Mach high-fiving while the moon explodes in the background. I am a poor student and you should adjust your expectations to "I might get a paper thing in the mail and online recognition that I am a cool Eschatos person oh and also I did a thing that was meaningful to me."
6. Don't be an asshole. I don't care if somebody sets a score that doesn't meet your expectations. They don't have to meet your expectations. I think you're smart enough to know what an asshole is, so just don't be one.
7. I have the right to adjust the rules as I go along, however I will expressly try *not* to alter the spirit of things. This is mostly just saying "I don't really know the ins and outs of this, so if I need to clarify or adjust something then I will do that as fairly as I can."
8. Special World and Blackbird are not eligible for any prizes.
9. Have fun and don't drive yourself crazy.
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[WARNING—HERE COMES THE JUDGE]

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Original Hard
1st: 20,790,397 / gimebe
2nd: 7,294,620 / Heavy Viper
3rd: 6,361,283 / awry
5,336,897 / ACSeraph
4,787,334 / Special World
2,725,642 / Weak Boson
2,377,569 / Obscura

Advanced Normal
1st: 27,235,258 / gimebe
2nd: 26,441,152 / Aquas
3rd: 25,135,737 / Ebbo
21,455,362 / Special World
19,391,461 / awry
18.448,687 / eebrozgi
15,900,322 / Kappatalist

Time Attack
1st: 21:00.68 / Heavy Viper
2nd: 21:40.18 / awry
3rd: 22:42.25 / Special World

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Prizes:

Qute-Em-Up Sticker Pack

The top scorers in Original Hard, Advanced Normal, and Time Attack plus three random participants will all receive a set of Qute/Eschatos stickers:

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Astebreed Steam Download
One random participant will receive a download of Astebreed on Steam, courtesy of CStarFlare. Thanks, dude!

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Where can I get Eschatos?
It's out for $15 on Steam on 9/18 or you can buy it region-free for 360. Thanks Degica for porting such an amazing game!

Why should I play Eschatos?
Because it's the greatest: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=54727 or https://catstronaut.wordpress.com/2015/ ... -eschatos/

How do I be good at it tho?
STGWeekly's excellent Eschatos superplays (featuring Ratikal and mkg17): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8P55rnnx4
Ratikal's totally incomplete and needs Wonderwitch info but we love him anyways scoring guide: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=41149
Some more strategy info: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=37266
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Just a question for clairty.

A person scores 25M on Original Normal.
A person scores 24M on Original Hard.

Assuming these are the only two entries, the Original Normal score would win?
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Yes. I was concerned about that myself, but from looking at the leaderboards it seems like there's a definitive scoring advantage to hard over easy in all modes. If somebody would like to prove me wrong about that, then I'll adjust things and pick a difficulty for each mode. But that's the assumption I'm working under right now—that there's a disparity in scoring potential between the difficulties. I'd say it's almost certain to be that way in Advanced mode due to bullet cancelling, and likely in Original mode since there are drastic jumps in the uploaded scores on XBLA.

Then again you're Ratikal so do you definitely know anything about this? Is there a reason why you and everyone else has such drastically higher scores on hard mode, or is that just because hard mode is what all the good players play?

ED: Oh yeah, the multiplier is higher in hard mode. That's right. But you know what, fudge it, I think there's a better way to stratify things so that players of all skill levels can compete on their preferred skill level. So I'll make it 1) Highest Original Hard 2) Highest Advanced Normal 3) Highest Time Attack (which is kinda like easy mode)
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The multiplier caps higher on higher difficulties.

Easy caps at x5, hard caps at x20(IIRC), Hardest is only limited by the amount of waves in a stage. Of course multiplier is reset after each of the areas that are considered the end of a stage.

Advanced has a seperate power based multiplier, so you can go a bit over those caps on Advanced since they don't count towards the cap.

The clear bonus is also higher for higher difficulties, though I think it's 1 million per remaining ship regardless for that part of it.


Both Original and Advanced have -1 to chain multiplier for letting an enemy escape. Letting an enemy escape won't affect the power based multiplier on Advanced. Dying on Original will also -1 chain multiplier(in addition to anything that escapes during that time) while dying on Advanced will - all of your chain multiplier.
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EDIT: OH JESUS THAT IMAGE IS HUGE. Spoilered to not fuck up the page format. Also, I probably should wipe my monitor.

DOUBLE EDIT: Dammit, missed my hand barely. Oh well, if that doesn't count, I'm too lazy to take another photo.
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Here's my submission. Weee.
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What better first post to make than one which asserts my position as the one and only Professional Kusoplayer?
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It's what I've got so far. Eschatos is such a wacky specimen as far as STG go, it's really refreshing. Why am I so TERRIBAD at it?
And I was THIS close to killing the last boss. *THIS* close. You know how close I mean.

EDIT: Yeah... knowing now that I'd have to deal with an angry red moon man afterwords, it's not like I would have made it anyway.
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Oof, hopefully can finally get around to downloading this tomorrow and submitting some (non prize-winning) scores! Been really busy, but I should have a proper prize ready to reveal soon as well.

Also, just for the record, you can submit as many entries as you want, so don't feel like you need to hold out for the perfect run or anything. I'll only be looking at your best for awarding prizes, but feel free to try and try again.
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Gotta go fast. Time Attack - 22:06.46
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Was gonna wait till I got the Steam version, but I had some time and that's in short supply right now. Here's my "totally not even trying to win my own prize" high score (didn't quite make my all-time best!)

Special World - Advanced Normal - ALL
21,455,362

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That feeling when you die and you know you're going to fuck up again because regaining your power is the most stressful thing ever and dear god is that another f-bomb I hate you world
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Special World wrote:That feeling when you die and you know you're going to fuck up again because regaining your power is the most stressful thing ever and dear god is that another f-bomb I hate you world
There couldn't be a more fitting moniker for an item.
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UPDATE: QUTE STICKER PACK HAS ARRIVED!

Check the [all new] prizes section for details!

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And I tried for an Original Hard high score... it was very hard, and original :0
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I have to submit something to honour the quteness of M-KAI.

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Original Hard - weakboson - 2,725,642
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Kind of a whole different game from Normal, ain't it? Sheesh...
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Playing a little bit of Hard for this really upped my Normal game. Got to the last boss for the first time. Just goes to show you can't lose if you take part!
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Latest attempts.
Original Hard - 6,361,283
Advanced Normal - 19,391,461
Time Attack - 21:40.18
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Weak Boson wrote:Playing a little bit of Hard for this really upped my Normal game. Got to the last boss for the first time. Just goes to show you can't lose if you take part!
Yeah, I was really pleased with my performance in Advanced Normal once I started practicing on Original Hard. Seems kind of obvious, but I'm always surprised anyways. It's especially helpful in Eschatos, because the difficulty modes feel so natural.
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Only one week left to enter! I'm gonna have to do some runs of time attack, I think...
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Time Attack gets pretty crazy when you're trying to be fast as hell... still not fast enough!
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I probably would've joined this if the cringey "M-Kai is qute" thing wasn't a thing. It's like straight out of reddit
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Cagar wrote:I probably would've joined this if the cringey "M-Kai is qute" thing wasn't a thing. It's like straight out of reddit
My aim was to make this more fun and less serious. These forums are often too hostile and elitist in my opinion, to the detriment of old users and new players actually having fun playing these games. I've never been to Reddit for longer than it took me to see how bad the site layout was, so I assure you this is purely coincidental.

@ Heavy Viper: Good job dude! Many apologies for totally skipping over your first post. Added both scores to the list!
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Then again, the "M-Kai is Qute" thing was one of the main motivating factors for me. You win some you lose some, I guess.
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Weak Boson wrote:Then again, the "M-Kai is Qute" thing was one of the main motivating factors for me. You win some you lose some, I guess.
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Glad to hear it! I've already started on a Battle Garegga scoring topic:
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Those are 100k medals, you should be starting a Bakraid thread with that. :P
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Shepardus wrote:Those are 100k medals, you should be starting a Bakraid thread with that. :P
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I love that "rank" has stink lines.
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Shit this ends soon doesn't it? Guess I know what I'll be doing when I get home...
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