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 Post subject: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:25 am 


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This year's voting thread.
This year's vote commentary thread.


Previous Results:
7th Annual Top 25 Results: through 2008
6th Annual Top 25 Results: through 2007
5th Annual Top 25 Results: through 2006
4th Annual Top 25 Results: through 2005
3rd Annual Top 25 Results: through 2004
2nd Annual Top 25 Results: through 2003
Inaugural Top 25 Results: through 2002


All Past Top 25 Games
Armed Police Batrider
Axelay
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
Border Down
Dangun Feveron
Dodonpachi
Dodonpachi daioujou
Donpachi
Einhänder
ESPGaluda
ESPra.de.
Gate of Thunder
Giga Wing
Gradius III (SNES)
Gradius Gaiden
Gradius V
Gunbird
Gunbird 2
Gunhed
Guwange
Ibara
Ikaruga
Ketsui
Mars Matrix
MUSHA Aleste
Mushihime-sama
Mushihime-sama Futari
Progear no Arashi
Radiant Silvergun
Raiden DX
Raiden Fighters Jet
Rayforce
R-Type
R-Type Delta
Salamander
Sengoku Blade
Shikigami no Shiro II
Soldier Blade
Soukyugurentai
Strikers 1945 II
Thunderforce III
Thunderforce IV
Thunderforce V
Under Defeat
Winds of Thunder
Zanac Neo
Zero Gunner 2



All Past Honorable-Mention-Only Games
19XX: The War Against Destiny
Battle Bakraid
Blazing Star
Cyvern
Darius Gaiden
Deathsmiles
Dimahoo / Great Mahou Daisakusen
Dragon Blaze
ESPGaluda II
G.Darius
Gaiares
Galaga
Giga Wing 2
Gokujou Parodius
Gradius / Nemesis
Gradius II: Gofer no Yabou / Vulcan Venture
Hellfire
Imperishable Night
Parodius / Parodius-Da!
Parsec47
Psyvariar 2
Pulstar
Raiden
Raiden II
Recca
R-Type III: the Third Lightning
R-Type Final
Salamander (FC) / Life Force (NES)
Sexy Parodius
Shienryu / Shienryu Gekioh / Gekioh: Shooting King
Stargate
Strikers 1945
Super Aleste / Space Megaforce (SNES)
Tatsujin / Truxton
Twin Cobra / Kyukyoku Tiger
U.N. Squadron (SNES) / Area 88 (SNES)
Zanac (NES) / Zanac EX (MSX)


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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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I figure I ought to start by thanking you guys for taking the reins on this when others (myself included) hesitated - hopefully the community will be grateful enough not to bitch at you TOO much.
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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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It's ok - I plan to end all arguments by only allowing votes for Moon Cresta.
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Props to the people giving Geometry Wars some spotlight.

Meanwhile, Ketsui wins.
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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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bout time the psyvariars got the love they deserve .


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Why is Duality: ZF on the list? Isn't it not out yet?
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Why is Duality: ZF on the list? Isn't it not out yet?

It was a mistake. It's been removed from the list now.


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Psikyo.

Should have added Geometry wars to my vote.
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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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Hopefully Psyvariar 2 will land in the top 25 this time.

Rooting for Blazing Star as well.


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Hopefully Psyvariar 2 will land in the top 25 this time.


+1 to that. Can't believe it's voting time again...
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Where's that picture showing every top 25 from every year? I found the one made in 2006, wasn't one made last year?
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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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Shatterhand wrote:
Where's that picture showing every top 25 from every year? I found the one made in 2006, wasn't one made last year?

I might be wrong, but I don't think so. Turrican used to do these, though, so maybe he can share a little light on this question. Where is he, btw? I don't recall seeing him around lately.


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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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What's the deal with Futari voting? Every version counts as a seperate game?
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07. Don't vote for game modes, be it difficulty levels or bonus modes included in home ports of arcade games. (Examples: You cannot vote specifically for Strikers 1945 Monkey difficulty, Mushihimesama Ultra, Raiden III Double Mode, or Ibara Arrange. Your votes have to go to just Strikers 1945, Mushihimesama, Raiden III, and Ibara, respectively.) Exceptions: You can vote for colour label modes or revisions of games, if those are sufficiently different and got a stand-alone release. (e.g. You can vote for Ibara Kuro: Black Label or Deathsmiles Mega Black Label.)


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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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Herr Schatten wrote:
Shatterhand wrote:
Where's that picture showing every top 25 from every year? I found the one made in 2006, wasn't one made last year?

I might be wrong, but I don't think so. Turrican used to do these, though, so maybe he can share a little light on this question. Where is he, btw? I don't recall seeing him around lately.


If I had any skills, I would do it this year. I always loved that drawing.
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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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Hopefully Psyvariar 2 will land in the top 25 this time.

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+1 it certainly deserves it on so many levels .


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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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I wouldn't call Nitro Ball or Ninja Commando (say) "shmups" but I would call them shooters. Anyway, they're in per the rules now, yay!

Too bad carnival shooters aren't in else I would be voting all the Exidy 440 machines with a C in the name (Cheyenne, Combat, Crackshot, Crossbow, etc. - all but Chiller, that is).


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Something about Nitro Ball doesn't 'feel' right - I think mostly due to the pinball part.
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 Post subject: Re: 8th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - discussion thread
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Screw feelings, yo. It's just an extra gameplay mechanic. Bouncing around is present in some other shooters, I'm sure, even "classic" shmups. (Not to mention crazier things like inertia.) Aside from the occasional third-person pinballing, it's a pretty straight-up third person manually scrolling shooter.


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Ed Oscuro wrote:
Too bad carnival shooters aren't in else I would be voting all the Exidy 440 machines with a C in the name (Cheyenne, Combat, Crackshot, Crossbow, etc. - all but Chiller, that is).


Wait...why's Chiller get the shaft, here? I know I'll probably take heat for this, but having played most (if not all) of those arcade titles, they sure as heck all felt pretty much the same to me, including Chiller. Didn't have much love for any of them, but I'm surprised that you'd single out Chiller. What's that all about, Alfie?


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Does Lunar Rescue count as a shmup?
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Yes, surely Lunar Rescue must count as a stg imo, if there had been any doubt in my mind I wouldn't have picked it. I quite enjoy it :)


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Does Lunar Rescue count as a shmup?


I think that one is too much of a borderline since it's 50% Lunar Lander. It doesn't really count under grandfather rules either since the descendants of Lunar Lander and Lunar Rescue would be games like Thrust and Zarch/Virus.
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Is Batrider going to win? Seems like it gets a lot of votes this year!
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Is Batrider going to win? Seems like it gets a lot of votes this year!


I was wondering the same thing...
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Spy Hunter is allowed, right? It's fairly shmuppy, and has been a hit at Dave's bay area meets =)
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Is Batrider going to win? Seems like it gets a lot of votes this year!

Oh boy I hope so. It has the best storyline ever about a VIOLENT CITY with VIOLENT STUFF and such. Maybe the lagless version of MAME increased the appreciation for the game.

Mmm, Gigawing might get some mentions. As long as this year isn't a top 25 of all Cave releases it should be fine, right? Right? :P
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Dragoforce wrote:
Does Lunar Rescue count as a shmup?


I think that one is too much of a borderline since it's 50% Lunar Lander. I.


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Spy Hunter is allowed, right? It's fairly shmuppy, and has been a hit at Dave's bay area meets =)


I can't see any compelling reason to disallow it.
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