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 Post subject: 7th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time! - Results
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:28 pm 


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Top 25 Shmups of All Time (through 2008)

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Game                                                     Score  2007 '06 '05 '04 '03 '02
01  Battle Garegga (ARC/SAT)                              6.42    +   +   +   *   +   +
02  Dodonpachi (ARC/SAT/PS1)                              6.01    +   -   -   -   -   -
03  Dodonpachi Daioujou / Black Label (ARC/PS2)           5.90    .   +   +   +   +   *
04  Ketsui Kizuna Jigoku Tachi (ARC)                      5.81    *   *   *   *   *   *
05  Armed Police Batrider (ARC)                           5.58    +   -   *   +   *   *
06  ESPGaluda / Arranged (ARC/PS2)                        5.34    .   +   +   +   *   *
07  Mushihimesama (ARC/PS2)                               5.02    +   +   +   *   *   *
08  Ikaruga (ARC/DC/GC/XBLA)                              4.89    -   -   -   -   -   -
09  Gradius V (PS2)                                       4.43    -   -   -   -   *   *
10  Guwange (ARC)                                         4.27    .   *   +   *   +   +
11  Radiant Silvergun (SAT/ARC)                           3.98    -   -   -   -   -   -
12  Mars Matrix (ARC/DC)                                  3.80    +   +   -   -   +   +
13  Batsugun / Batsugun Special Ver. (ARC/SAT)            3.784   .   +   *   +   +   *
14  Progear no Arashi (ARC)                               3.775   -   *   *   *   *   *
15  Raiden DX (ARC/PS1)                                   3.74    *   -   +   +   *   *
16  Dangun Feveron (ARC)                                  3.62    *   *   *   *   *   *
17  Raiden Fighters Jet (ARC)                             3.59    *   *   *   *   *   *
18  ESP Ra.De. (ARC)                                      3.48    -   -   +   +   -   -
19  Ibara (ARC/PS2)                                       3.40    +   *   *   *   *   *
20  Strikers 1945 II (ARC/SAT/PS1)                        3.25    +   *   -   -   -   -
21  R-Type (ARC/PS1/PCE/SMS/etc.)                         3.11    -   *   -   -   -   -
22  Border Down (ARC/DC)                                  3.06    -   -   -   *   *   *
23  Giga Wing (ARC/DC)                                    2.96    -   -   -   -   -   *
24  Rayforce / Layer Section / Galactic Attack (ARC/SAT)  2.95    -   -   -   -   -   *
25  Mushihimesama Futari / 1.5 / Black Label (ARC)        2.87    *   *   *   *   *   *

  • . denotes the game holds the same position now as the year indicated.
  • + denotes the game holds an improved standing compared to the year indicated.
  • - denotes the game holds a reduced standing compared to the year indicated.
  • * denotes the game was not on the list for the year indicated.

Honourable Mention

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Game                                                         2007  '06  '05  '04  '03
Battle Bakraid (ARC)                                           .    .    .    .    .
Blazing Star (ARC/NG)                                          .    .    .    .    +
Darius Gaiden (SAT/ARC/PS2)                                    .    .    .    .    +
DeathSmiles / MegaBlack Label (ARC)                            +    +    +    +    +
Donpachi (ARC/PS1/SAT)                                         .    .    .    -    -
Dragon Blaze (ARC/PS2)                                         .    .    .    .    +
Einhänder (PS1)                                                .    -    -    -    .
ESPGaluda II (ARC)                                             +    +    +    +    +
G.Darius (ARC/PS2/PS1)                                         .    .    .    .    .
Gradius Gaiden (PS1)                                           -    -    -    -    -
Gunbird 2 (DC/AC/PS2)                                          .    -    -    -    -
Kyukyoku Tiger / Twin Cobra (ARC/MD/PS1/PCE)                   .    .    +    +    .
Psyvariar 2 (ARC/PS2/DC/Xbox)                                  +    +    +    +    +
Shikigami no Shiro 2/Castle Shikigami 2 (PS2/DC/GC/ARC/Win)    -    -    -    -    .
Soukyugurentai (ARC/SAT/PS1)                                   -    -    -    -    -
Strikers 1945 (ARC/SAT/PS1/PS2)                                +    +    .    .    .
Thunderforce 3 (MD/GEN/SAT)                                    -    -    -    -    -
Thunder Force 4 / Lightening Force (MD/GEN/SAT)                -    -    -    -    -
Under Defeat (ARC/DC)                                          .    -    +    +    +
Zero Gunner 2 (ARC/DC)                                         +    +    .    .    -

  • . denotes the game was also on the HM list for the year indicated.
  • + denotes the game was on neither the HM list nor the top 25 for the year indicated.
  • - denotes the game was in the top 25 for the year indicated.

What Dropped from 2007's Top 25:
  • Gradius Gaiden (PS1/PSP)
  • Shikigami no Shiro 2 / Castle Shikigami 2 (ARC/DC/PS2/GC)
  • Soukyugurentai (ARC/SAT/PS1)
  • Thunderforce III (GEN/SAT)
  • Thunderforce IV / Lightening Force (GEN/SAT)

What Dropped from 2007's Honourable Mentions:
  • Axelay (SNES)
  • Gradius II: Gofer no Yabou / Vulcan Venture (ARC/SAT/PS1/PCE-CD/NES)
  • Lords of Thunder / Winds of Thunder (PCE-CD/Mega-CD)
  • Musha Aleste / M.U.S.H.A. (GEN)
  • R-Type Delta (PS1)
  • Soldier Blade (PCE)
  • Thunderforce V (SAT/PS1)


Breakdown by Developer
Code:
                       Top 25         Hon.M.          Overall
Cave                   11             3               14
Psikyo                 1              4               5
Raizing                2              2               4
Treasure               3              0               3
Taito                  1              2               3
Seibu Kaihatsu         2              0               2
Takumi                 2              0               2
G.Rev                  1              1               2
Konami                 1              1               2
Toaplan                1              1               2
Tecnosoft              0              2               2
Irem                   1              0               1
Alfa System            0              1               1
Skonec                 0              1               1
Square                 0              1               1
Yumekobo               0              1               1



Breakdown by Original Platform
Code:
System                  Top 25         Hon.M.          Overall
Arcade                  24             16              40
Sega Genesis            0              2               2
PlayStation             0              2               2
PlayStation 2           1              0               1



Miscellaneous Stats:
  • Number of Actual Voters: 105 (no scaled voters this year)
  • Number of Games Receiving Votes: 428
  • Games Supported by at least half of voters: 4
  • Games Supported by at least 1/4 of voters: 26
  • Number of Honourable Mentions: 20
  • Top 25 Score Spread: 2.870 - 6.422
  • Honourable Mention Score Spread: 1.439 - 2.678
  • Total Score Spread: 0.0656 - 6.422

Random Comments:
  • Once more, the top 10 contains games from only three developers: Cave (6), Treasure (2), and Raizing (2).
  • Gradius Gaiden, Soukyugurentai, Thunderforce III, and Thunderforce IV are not part of the Top 25 for the first year ever.
  • Only 9 games from the first Top 25 appear on this year's list: Battle Garegga, Dodonpachi, ESP Ra.De., Guwange, Ikaruga, Mars Matrix, Radiant Silvergun, R-Type, and Strikers 1945 II.
  • SKonec makes its first appearance on either list with Psyvariar 2 becoming an Honourable Mention.
  • The entire list will be posted after this thread reaches two pages (it will be a very long post). Now available!
  • The discussion thread for this year's poll is here.
  • The votes for this year's poll can be found here.
edit: added link to the full results.


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BG at #1! Wooooooohoooooooo! :D :D :D

Excellent, excellent list! Basically all killer, no filler.

Only one that doesn't deserve a top 25 slot is Dangun feveron, imo.


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battle garegga #1

radiant silvergun off top 10

too much justice on this list
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first bawwwwwwwws of top25 2008

[1442.11] <sikraiken> yeah you know that top 25 is a joke when garegga is at the top
[1442.39] <sikraiken> yeah this list is pretty trashy
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Garegga is too high
DDP does not belong above DOJ
APB? hahaha
ESPGaluda doesn't belong in the top 25, the Arranged version does (yes I see it's noted, they are quite different games in my opinion though)
Mushi is garbage
Ikaruga should be lower than Gradius V
Guwange above Progear and Dangun?
Drop Radiant Silvergun. It's overrated.
Why is Mars Matrix here?
Batsugun should be higher
No to Border Down
You guys haven't even played Futari

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gotta say, for the first time ever in this lists history, pretty damn good result! :)
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Where is Brave Blade? Do you guys even play shmups


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1. #144.
2. Too busy compiling numbers.


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Only 11 Cave games? Come on, we can be less diverse than that.


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BG at #1! Wooooooohoooooooo! :D :D :D

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If you group all Cave games as one game, then this is a pretty decent result!

R-Type Delta seems to be in free fall...

sikraiken wrote:
Where is Brave Blade? Do you guys even play shmups


So why didn't you vote for it?
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It's a lost cause anyway, it's always been that way. : )


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Dave K. should be excited to hear that a Raizing/8ing PCB game finally makes it to numero uno with Battle Garegga since he's an ardent Raizing/8ing fan to begin with. Holy shit! ^_~

It's always good to see DDP given second place honors. Without DDP, there wouldn't be a DDP-DOJ or DDP-DFK release for that matter. Gotta give credit where it's due. ^_~

To see Armed Police Batrider finally place in the Top 5 ranking is quite something considering that it's one of those exclusive arcade PCB releases that hasn't been eclipsed since then with it's wild and diverse cast of characters and hoverbike crafts. ^_~

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Good to see Garegga where it belongs 8)


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2009

daioh defense force

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Only 11 Cave games? Come on, we can be less diverse than that.


Welcome to shmups.com forums :D
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Progear 2nd best Horizontal? Even it being CAVE I could've never seen that one coming.


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PC Engine Fan X! wrote:
Dave K. should be excited to hear that a Raizing/8ing PCB game finally makes it to numero uno with Battle Garegga since he's an ardent Raizing/8ing fan to begin with. Holy shit! ^_~

It's always good to see DDP given second place honors. Without DDP, there wouldn't be a DDP-DOJ or DDP-DFK release for that matter. Gotta give credit where it's due. ^_~

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time! - Results
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What Dropped from 2007's Top 25:
  • Thunderforce III (GEN/SAT)
  • Thunderforce IV / Lightening Force (GEN/SAT)
What Dropped from 2007's Honourable Mentions:
  • Thunderforce V (SAT/PS1)


Disaster. More Thunderforce fans must be recruited to join the forum in the next 12 months!
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2009

daioh defense force

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Yeah, there's no other arcade PCB like the 6-button endowed USA region American Sammy Daioh PCB with it's crazy on the fly "mix 'n' match" primary and secondary weaponry at it's best. There's always a chance to vote for it in the upcoming 2010's Top 25 Shmups of All Time list. ^_~

Daioh Defense Force is a go! ^_~

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No Salamander in the lists means it's rubbish! :evil:

And what the hell are Guwange, D. Feveron, Batsugun or ESP Ra.De doing there?????

Giga Wing owns all of them yet gets rated lower......

I know this is all personal but this is raizing my already high blood pressure... yuck.
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I know this is all personal but this is raizing my already high blood pressure... yuck.
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Shiki 2 and Dragon Blaze are better than everything on this list, imo. Well, I haven't played Futari, but... Shiki 2's omission is enough already for me to hate this list.

I'm going to have to look to see who is putting the original Mushi on their list. That's just strange.

Esprade, Guwange, Dangun Feveron, Espgaluda, Mushi...? Utter silliness. I think this list is a complete joke.
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very nice list...although a few im surprised to see....

kinda surprised futari was ranked so low, but probably chock that up to lack of exposure/not enough people played it.....next year will be a different story....deathsmiles will probably make it next year too with the port out now....

obviously glad to see ketsui in the top 5 8)

hopefully we can get an all cave list next year( yes i know there arent enough) and quit lying to ourselves :wink: :lol:

but i think its safe to say , that list proves that danmaku is taking over from the older styles of shmups....as if we didnt already know that

and i dont see how this list can be considered a joke....it was voted on by the members of this site...it represents the overall opinion of the voters....

the fact that older games have been overshadowed by newer and better releases is natural....such is progression

there are shmups, and then there is cave.....


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Super Laydock wrote:
I know this is all personal but this is raizing my already high blood pressure... yuck.


pun intended. :P
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If you group all Cave games as one game, then this is a pretty decent result!

Be real, it's more like 2-3.

Border Down should be replaced with Darius Gaiden because it isn't as ugly.


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Border Down should be replaced with Darius Gaiden because it isn't as ugly.


says a Mars Matrix lover.... :roll: ;)
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