What is the hardest SHMUP you`ve ever played?

Oli · Post by **Oli** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:06 pm

So...I was wondering...
What is the hardest SHMUP game out there?

I`ve played some pretty hard ones...to me, Mushihime-sama has been the hardest I`ve played so far. But, perhaps you fellow SHMUP players can inform me of any harder ones?

Ah, and forgive me if I am not so well-versed in the world of SHMUPs, I`ve only started playing them last summer, so I haven`t gotten a chance to see all that`s out there; but to be sure, I`ve played a great amount of SHMUP games, rather than just stick to the popular and well-known ones.

Jonny · Post by **Jonny** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:10 pm

Ibara
Battle Garegga

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:12 pm

Image Fight

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:13 pm

futari ultra

D · Post by D » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:20 pm

you mean hardest to 1cc.

Oli · Post by **Oli** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:32 pm

Hm...I should look up Image Fight...it sounds like a good challenge!

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:34 pm

futari ultra

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:35 pm

another +1 for futari ultra
2nd loop of dai-ou-jou

mortified_penguin · Post by **mortified_penguin** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:37 pm

Is Ibara really that hard? I'm seriously considering picking up a kit.

To stay on topic, probably DonPachi's second loop.

D · Post by D » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:38 pm

OK I get the picture! Futari Ultra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcrfbZyOcI

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:43 pm

ESPGALUDA arrange.

LtC · Post by **LtC** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:44 pm

Anything with walls that try to kill me. Or maybe touhou because the art is so bad you need inhuman mental strenght to keep playing. Perhaps DOJ or Image fight how they become insanely hard when it comes to 2-ALL. Then again you could debate about games that you can set the difficulty, you might as well go max rank Garegga and curse how impossible it is when you can't even kill anything let alone dream about dodging stuff.

Where's the list of the games that are hardest to 1cc/2-ALL again?

guigui · Post by **guigui** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:13 pm

As far as I'm concerned, I'd mention R-Type serie.

When I explode in Ikaruga, or Radiant or Dodonpachi or other Cave games I could try, I almost always know where my mistake was. Makes me wanna correct it and try again.

On the opposite, exploding in R-Type does not learn me anything (and ends the game by the way).

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:30 pm

Futari Ultra

ZOM · Post by **ZOM** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:32 pm

Dodonpachi Dai Ou Jou - even the 1st loop destroys me.

EDIT: Oh, and 1CC A.P. Batrider WITH all the special bosses isn't easy either.

Gmintyfresh · Post by **Gmintyfresh** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:42 pm

Two games instantly spring to mind:

Battle Garegga on the Saturn, I find it difficult even with the coloured bullets turned on

Mushihime-sama PS2 - It's difficult from the start in my opinion and just get progressively harder.

icbluscrn · Post by **icbluscrn** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:46 pm

In the hunt PS1

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:47 pm

It's not the hardest, but Gradius III (Arcade, not SNES) will hand out a swift and decidedly player-unfriendly beating.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:54 pm

Potential candidates:
Gradius III arcade
Gradius V
Dangun Feveron
Mushihime-sama Ultra (haven't played Futari, it's probably harder)
ESPGaluda Arrange
Battle Garegga

I would mention the R-Type series, as well as most Psikyo games, except that those have a lot of cheap deaths and require memorisation to get through. I don't really want to call that true difficulty, but instead artificial difficulty.

SFKhoa · Post by **SFKhoa** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:28 pm

jonny5 wrote:futari ultra

Futari ultra's definitely a given though.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:30 pm

on basis of being unplayably bad, eight forces

bkk · Post by **bkk** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:33 pm

Sengeki Striker probably. I've never finished the first stage

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:59 pm

Radiaint Silvergun, namely due to how some of the bosses act [WTF is with Gallop? I still can't remember his motions well enough to beat him w/o creditfeeding...]

[EDIT]:
Image Fight takes the cake. Bloody fucker, I forgot about it.

Dragoforce · Post by **Dragoforce** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:00 pm

The arcade version of Gradius III.

Ruldra · Post by **Ruldra** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:16 pm

LtC wrote:Where's the list of the games that are hardest to 1cc/2-ALL again?

Taken from here

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45:  Image Fight 2 loops (by way of penalty area)  /  Dodonpachi Campaign Version 2 loops  /   1943 (vs. Yamato)

44:  Dodonpachi Daioujou 2 loops  /  Parodius 2 loops  /  Detana!! Twin Bee (Bells & Whistles) 2 loops

43:  Ketsui 2 loops (Special Round)

42:  Mushihimesama (Ultra Mode)  /  Progear 2 loops /  Valtric 2 loops

41:  Dragon Blaze 2 loops  /  Gunbird 2  2 loops  /  Argus  /  Twin Eagle

40:  Daioh 2 loops

39:  Dodonpachi 2 loops  /  Great Mahou Daisakusen (Dimahoo)

38:  Strikers 1945 2 loops

37:  Tatsujin Ou (Truxton II) 1 loop  /  Strikers 1945 2  2 loops

36:  Dodonpachi Daioujou 2 loops (Black Label)  /  Battle Garegga  /  Strikers 1999 2 loops  /  Ketsui 2 loops

35:  Gradius III 1 loop  /  Donpachi 2 loops  /  Sengoku Ace 2 loops

34:  Raiden III

33:  R-TYPE  2 loops  /  Armed Police Batrider (Expert)  /  Space Bomber  /  Dodonpachi Daioujou 1 loop (Black Label)

32:  Soukyugurentai  /  Psyvariar Revision (w/ true last boss)  /  Guwange
30: Raiden Fighters Jet / Zero Wing (two loops) [says one loop, but must be a typo]/ Dragon Blaze (one loop) / Radiant Silvergun (stage 4)

29: Blazing Star / Raycrisis / Ketsui (one loop) / Gunbird 2 (one loop) / Sengoku Blaede (one loop) / Strikers 1945 (one loop)

28: X-Multiply (two loops) / DOJ White Label (one loop) / Strikers 1945 II (one loop) / Strikers 1945 (one loop) / Zero Wing (one loop)

27: DOJ Black Label (one loop, w/o Hibachi) / Radiant Silvergun (stage 2) / Gradius IV (one loop) / Shikigami no Shiro / ESPrade

26: Gokujyou Parodius (including Special Stage) / DoDonPachi II / DoDonPachi (one loop)

25: Giga Wing / Zero Gunner 2 (one loop) / Salamander 2 (two loops) / Mushihimesama (Maniac mode)

24: Shikigami no Shiro II / G-Darius ver.2 / 1942 / 1944 / 19XX / Psyvariar Revision (w/o true last boss)

23: ESPGaluda / Sengoku Acu (one loop)

22: 1942 / Gradius II (one loop) / DonPachi (one loop) / Psyvariar 2 (w/o true last boss)

21: Darius Gaiden

20: Darius / Mushihimesama (Original mode)

19: G-Darius

18: Ikaruga (easy mode)

17: Thunder Fang (??) (two loops) / Batsugun

16: Tatsujin (one loop)

15: 1941

14: -

13: Shienryu

12: Gradius (one loop) / 1943 Kai / Cosmo Gang the Video

11: Dragon Spirit (New version) / Darius II / Salamander 2 (one loop)

10: Xevious

9: Prehistoric Isle 2

8: Captain Tomaday

7: Gekirindian

6: -

5: Rezon

4: Slap Fight (one loop)

3: Fire Barrell

2: -

1: -

I actually got interested in Image Fight because of this list, and oh shit that game is hard. Even with autofire you're gonna have some serious trouble with it. And let's not even mention the penalty zone.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:34 pm

One on the megadrive with a helicopter, vertical shmup, insanely well programmed AI, bullets shot ahead of target very annoying. Might have been tiger heli or kyo kyu tiger or something. Eliminate down was quite difficult aswell.

SockPuppetHyren · Post by **SockPuppetHyren** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm

R-Type and Dimahoo.

I'm not great...

hermosaguy · Post by **hermosaguy** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm

Pink Fucking Sweets

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:10 pm

Diabollokus wrote:One on the megadrive with a helicopter, vertical shmup, insanely well programmed AI, bullets shot ahead of target very annoying. Might have been tiger heli or kyo kyu tiger or something. Eliminate down was quite difficult aswell.

Twin Cobra (Japanese name Kyukyoku Tiger, always have to look up its spelling). Besides the clairvoyant sniping, I love the opening takeoff sequence. That heli sprite just keeps ballooning until it's a coffin with rotors.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:19 pm

DEEP BLUE