is a petition to make 360 ddp/ketsui region-free worth it?

OdiousTrident · Post by **OdiousTrident** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:50 pm

The company doing the ports, 5pb, is small and they might be listening to a relatively decent size demographic like US shmups fans. I don't know really, just throwing it out there. Also do we know the status on the Raiden Fighers collection for 360, I think it could possibly be region-free.

Leroy · Post by **Leroy** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:02 pm

Well, it can't hurt.

The brutal truth is that if these are actually individual retail releases there is probably only a sliver of a chance they'll come out here, due to the market differences. I'd probably say a better effort would be to petition a couple of US niche publishers on trying to pull these over for a US release with either both on one disc or as a two disc set. But c'mon, these game can't possibly break the 150MB XBLA limit to begin with.

Was Castle Shikigami III only announced for the Wii in the US? We could probe them about the Cave games.

Leroy · Post by **Leroy** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:12 pm

Try posting requests here:
http://aksysgames.com/forum/index.php?board=7.0

It's Shikigami III's US publisher's "Request Forum."

The busiest thread there only has 26 posts. I think we can certainly multiply that by a few times.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:12 pm

A better petition would beg for all of the options we want in a port.

Leroy · Post by **Leroy** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:26 pm

I started a thread on the Aksys forums, registration is very easy and doesn't require an eMail verification so please take a few minutes to show your support for these games if you're really interested in them. $30 or $40 for one or both is a hell of a lot better than $60 or $70 a piece PLUS the cost of a Japanese Xbox 360.

http://aksysgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=150.0

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:36 pm

360 owners aren't going to want Ketsui or DDP. They aren't liking Triggerheart very much because of how "short" it is. If these games do get ported they have little likelihood of coming to the US and let's face it, there aren't that many shmup players like us in the US. Not enough to justify the money to port the games. A region-free disc version that releases in Japan might be the best bet for them, but even so, the audience they're going for is CLEARLY in Japan mainly. Why would they even want to release on the 360 over there? It's doing pretty badly. If they're smart they'll release Cave ports on the PS3 or the Wii.

Milkgoat · Post by **Milkgoat** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:37 pm

Nevermind, there is already a thing on Atlus.

Zuhzuhzombie!! · Post by **Zuhzuhzombie!!** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:39 pm

They're going to be Xbox Live releases, right? If that's the case, all you'll need is a silver Live account to download, right?

Leroy · Post by **Leroy** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:42 pm

Milkgoat wrote:Maybe we should try Atlus as well?

Definitely, I can't access their site at work or I'd start another thread. Feel free to copy and paste the one I made at Aksys if you want to.

Django! wrote:They're going to be Xbox Live releases, right? If that's the case, all you'll need is a silver Live account to download, right?

If they were XBLA releases, that would be correct. All signs thus far point to a retail release though, so we have to do what we can to show publishers that we want them out here.

KUQ · Post by **KUQ** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:43 pm

kengou wrote:360 owners aren't going to want Ketsui or DDP. They aren't liking Triggerheart very much because of how "short" it is.

Yeah... and of course every single 360 owner is like that.
Just because some people complain on the internet doesnt mean there aren't some thousands or so of people who don't post in forums and actually liked it.

clp · Post by **clp** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:06 pm

KUQ wrote:
kengou wrote:360 owners aren't going to want Ketsui or DDP. They aren't liking Triggerheart very much because of how "short" it is.
Yeah... and of course every single 360 owner is like that.
Just because some people complain on the internet doesnt mean there aren't some thousands or so of people who don't post in forums and actually liked it.

why exactly are you even here you lurked for ages until you got to pissed off to contain yourself and now your clearly gonna get even more pissed off , yet still come here?

jp · Post by jp » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:10 pm

kengou wrote:360 owners aren't going to want Ketsui or DDP. They aren't liking Triggerheart very much because of how "short" it is. If these games do get ported they have little likelihood of coming to the US and let's face it, there aren't that many shmup players like us in the US. Not enough to justify the money to port the games. A region-free disc version that releases in Japan might be the best bet for them, but even so, the audience they're going for is CLEARLY in Japan mainly. Why would they even want to release on the 360 over there? It's doing pretty badly. If they're smart they'll release Cave ports on the PS3 or the Wii.

O rly?

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/856/856953p1.html

The Top Live Titles, as reported by Major Nelson, list ranks unique users playing Xbox games while connected to Live. The Top Arcade Titles list is based on the number of full versions sold in a given week.

"1. N+
2. Triggerheart Exelica
3. Worms
4. UNO
5. TMNT 1989 Arcade
6. Bomberman LIVE
7. Rez HD
8. Chessmaster Live
9. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
10. Marble Blast Ultra"

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:38 pm

jp wrote:
kengou wrote:360 owners aren't going to want Ketsui or DDP. They aren't liking Triggerheart very much because of how "short" it is. If these games do get ported they have little likelihood of coming to the US and let's face it, there aren't that many shmup players like us in the US. Not enough to justify the money to port the games. A region-free disc version that releases in Japan might be the best bet for them, but even so, the audience they're going for is CLEARLY in Japan mainly. Why would they even want to release on the 360 over there? It's doing pretty badly. If they're smart they'll release Cave ports on the PS3 or the Wii.
O rly?

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/856/856953p1.html

The Top Live Titles, as reported by Major Nelson, list ranks unique users playing Xbox games while connected to Live. The Top Arcade Titles list is based on the number of full versions sold in a given week.

"1. N+
2. Triggerheart Exelica
3. Worms
4. UNO
5. TMNT 1989 Arcade
6. Bomberman LIVE
7. Rez HD
8. Chessmaster Live
9. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
10. Marble Blast Ultra"

Triggerheart came out last week, and it's #2 among a bunch of older games that have come out before this week. Really doesn't prove much. I bet every new game that comes out every week will be pretty high on the sales charts for that given week. Let's see how THE sits in a couple weeks from now.

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:28 pm

jp wrote: "1. N+
2. Triggerheart Exelica
3. Worms
4. UNO
5. TMNT 1989 Arcade
6. Bomberman LIVE
7. Rez HD
8. Chessmaster Live
9. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
10. Marble Blast Ultra"

To be fair, N+ is a better game than THE.

Michaelm · Post by **Michaelm** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:32 pm

So if they turn out to be xbox live games and I get a Japanese xbox will I be able to get the games ?

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:46 pm

Yes. In fact, if they turn out to be XBLA (I'm doubting this though), and you have an American 360, you can even get the games, but it requires effort. Where's the shifty eyed emoticon?

KUQ · Post by **KUQ** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:18 am

kengou wrote: why exactly are you even here you lurked for ages until you got to pissed off to contain yourself and now your clearly gonna get even more pissed off , yet still come here?

Im a big fan of Sadism.
But you have to admit my first posts have been pretty much in line with the overall shmups forum, only I whine from the other side.

One easy thing would be to post some emails to the companies involved in this, then we just send nice drawings where people of all colors are sitting under a rainbow happily playing ketsui together.

brianon · Post by **brianon** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:30 am

Do we know if Raiden Fighters Aces is region free or Japan region only ?

Post by **spadgy** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:23 pm

Just posted here as we all should...

http://aksysgames.com/forum/index.php?board=7.0

Come on!

Leroy · Post by **Leroy** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:30 pm

Enhasa wrote:Yes. In fact, if they turn out to be XBLA (I'm doubting this though), and you have an American 360, you can even get the games, but it requires effort. Where's the shifty eyed emoticon?

If they turned out to be XBLA titles, they'd be released in the US, period. I think the only XBLA title not to have worldwide distribution is Tetris Splash because of some strange European lessening issues. On top of that, XBLA games are released everywhere on the same day.

Leroy · Post by **Leroy** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:42 pm

spadgy wrote:Just posted here as we all should...

http://aksysgames.com/forum/index.php?board=7.0

Come on!

Yes! With all the discussion going on in this forum there should be a lot more posts there!

I have two things to note though. First of all, Aksys is an American publisher. They aren't going to be able to help with a PAL release, I'm sorry. Secondly a few people are posting about making the game(s) region-free. For those that are suggesting this for the Japanese version, Aksys can't do anything about that. They are neither developing or publishing the game(s) in Japan. BUT.. as has been pointed out in the bigger Cave 360 thread, most American 360 games are region free. So if you want to show some PAL love simply let them know that if they do consider bringing them out in the US to make sure that THEIR version is region free as they'll get some sales from our European friends.

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:45 pm

Leroy wrote:If they turned out to be XBLA titles, they'd be released in the US, period. I think the only XBLA title not to have worldwide distribution is Tetris Splash because of some strange European lessening issues. On top of that, XBLA games are released everywhere on the same day.

Good point, you're right. I was thinking about demos and DLC for some reason.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:27 pm

online petitions haven't worked since final fantasy 7

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:05 pm

Twiddle wrote:online petitions haven't worked since final fantasy 7

aren't the DC releases of ikaruga and psyvariar 2 attributed to (japanese) online petitions?

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:22 pm

jpj wrote:
Twiddle wrote:online petitions haven't worked since final fantasy 7
aren't the DC releases of ikaruga and psyvariar 2 attributed to (japanese) online petitions?

As well as Border Down and DC Shiki 2.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:29 pm

jpj wrote:
Twiddle wrote:online petitions haven't worked since final fantasy 7
aren't the DC releases of ikaruga and psyvariar 2 attributed to (japanese) online petitions?

Yes but the key word is "japanese".

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:06 pm

It's worth a shot- if it doesn't work- at least we tried something.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:13 pm

My guess is the lockout code was the first thing to be coded onto the HDD of the devkit.

Cave shooters would be popular with the west if the price point was like $10, because the West see's 3D as value for $50+, not 2D sprites. If the disc was region free, it would definitely grow the audience and I think thats more important than catering for our needs.

As far as publishers go, i'd say at least 15 publishers have looked at Cave's catalogue of games so far and nobody is interested. The best news for a release in the USA/UK is that Cave are not involved, because well... They are greedy pigs tbh.

I could see the amazon reviews go something like "$50 for a genesis game, its crap".