My PS3 is collecting dust :(

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:12 pm

Skykid wrote:
Shocky wrote: Yes, to win this "war" (*) Sony would need a lot of flaming fanboys, or any people who actually make noise.
What happened to allof the ones they've had for the last fifteen years? Can't we agree that there are other reasons involved as to why Sony are running last in the current console generation?

I guess most of them either got old while waiting for PS3 or fled and joined the MS ranks after witnessing Sony's lies, delays and all the ass-hattery before the actual PS3 launch in their respective continents. And again, I don't think Sony is "running last". What does that even mean? Because it has sold less than Wii? Because it has been on the market a year less than X360? Sony undeniably delivered the best device of this generation, and the game library and lineup already beat Wii and rival X360. Ok, it costs more. With a price cut it will surely keep up with X360 sales.

Shocky wrote:QUITE FUCKING MANY XBOTS HAVE HAD TO BUY TWO OR MORE CONSOLES BECAUSE THE SHODDY THING DIED ON THEM.
Really immature. I'm not moderating this thread, but this is exactly the kind of rubbish I've been hoping we could avoid. Perhaps re-read the posts so far, listen to other comments (rather than just mine) by PS3 owners who feel they aren't getting a great deal from the machine, and then we can get things back on track.

I read the posts, why don't you read my posts again and try to see the points behind those capital letters and swear words?

I just put some emphasis on it to express my amazement on how this kind of business is possible. I've witnessed it happen a couple of times (an Xbox dying of non-RROD reasons, out of guarantee), first the owners swear they'll never touch a MS product again but eventually end up buying the system again because of the games they already own. Usually after buying a PS3 in the meanwhile. And the X360 sales go up. Nice.

We know the PS3 has plenty of games, we know a lot are multi format though. Does anyone else think the reason PS3's aren't selling as well as expected is because given the choice between COD 5 (for example) on PS3 or Xbox, owners who have both consoles invariably go for the xbox version because of Live's capabilities (and the fact they're paying for Live and want to make use of it?) - or is it more a question of the pricing of the PS3 that's most damaging?

I really don't think the owners of both consoles are so common that they affect the sales of PS3 or its games noticeably. But people will be more inclined to choose the console that their friend network chooses. Over there it seems to be X360, over here it's PS3.

The only phenomenon I've witnessed is that owners of both consoles choose the PS3 version, because they've grown to fear that their Xbox will crap out on them mid-game. It sucks to wait for a replacement while the game is still new and hot.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:36 pm

bloodflowers wrote:Mine's covered with dust too, but mostly because I am too lazy to clean it. It gets used regularly for films. Games? Hardly at all, I hadn't even used the controller since Wipeout HD was released, until I tried to play Elefunk last week. It had run out of charge, unsurprisingly.

Best to keep it charged regularly so that senario doesn't happen. ^_~

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:07 pm

Shocky wrote:I read the posts, why don't you read my posts again and try to see the points behind those capital letters and swear words?

Because I really think we can get by this time without capital letters and swear words, however I do think you opened the above post with a frank and honest possiblity as to why older fans are no longer supporting Sony so vociferously.
But despite Sony's lies, delays and asshattery as you put it, I'm not sure most of the modern commercial gaming demographic will really even notice that. I think there's something more long term involved.

I'd be inclined to agree with you that hardware wise, it may well be the best of this generation. Although it does fail, it appears it's not nearly as much as 360's, and it's certainly far more technologically advanced than the Wii.
Perhaps it's an aesthetic thing putting people off? Consoles are usually small and fairly lightweight - I always found the PS3 a little cumbersome (and that Spiderman font sucks).
Anyway, as for the console 'running last' comment: isn't it? I mean in terms of global sales and profits, I thought the competitors were in front?

Bloodflowers, thanks for your honesty mate. We've already established there's plenty of games available, so why do you reckon you rarely play the console (have you got any other consoles or are you just a really retro gaming type who gets easily bored by modern stuff?)

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:37 pm

Skykid wrote:hardware wise, it may well be the best of this generation

May? Haha. Why does it sound like even this was very difficult for you to type? To be honest, this whole thread seems like an attempt at trolling.

By the way, you failed to get UnscathedFlyingObject's post.

MadScientist · Post by **MadScientist** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:47 pm

Skykid wrote: Perhaps it's an aesthetic thing putting people off? Consoles are usually small and fairly lightweight - I always found the PS3 a little cumbersome (and that Spiderman font sucks).

That's a pretty weak (and highly subjective) reason. The main problems I see with the PS3 are marketing and that it didn't launch with any of the traditionally big Playstation brands (GTA, Gran Turismo, God of War, Final Fantasy, MGS etc...). The only other thing is that more people play 360 online, but I personally don't care about that.

As for being behind, sure, it hasn't sold the same number of units as a system that had a year head start. Whoop-de-do. If you had two marathon runners and you gave one of them an hour head start, would you look at the guy that's still behind after a further two hours and say "Wow, look at that loser, he's still almost an hour behind"? Because that's what most of the fanboy nonsense about console sales amounts to.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:10 pm

Skykid wrote: (and that Spiderman font sucks)

it's actually from david beckham soccer

http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/psx/02/davidb.jpg

even more embarassing

also sky: 360 starts at less than half the price of ps3 in UK

if anyone's interested in doing some proper number crunching, mcvuk.com should have the stats you're after.

nem · Post by **nem** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:11 pm

Shocky wrote:The more intellectual types choose PS3 because of reasons that we discussed earlier.

XBOTS

the irony

I have both consoles and if I was in a pinch, I would sell the PS3 in a heart beat over the 360. The number of exclusive games (both retail and download titles) on the 360 far outweigh the ones on PS3. I can't believe this is even up for debate, on shmups.com of all places.

It speaks loads about the situation when you have to talk up the PS3s superior multimedia features. Seriously, a photo viewer and DivX 3.11; what is this, 1998? I have a PC for all of that. I bought a PS3 to play the latest games, and on that front, it has come up a bit short. That's fine, that's why I have 360 (and a month ago, a Wii).

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:15 pm

jpj wrote:
Skykid wrote: (and that Spiderman font sucks)
it's actually from david beckham soccer

http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/psx/02/davidb.jpg

Not that it matters, but that's not the same font.

nem wrote: Seriously, a photo viewer and DivX 3.11; what is this, 1998? I have a PC for all of that.

Streaming media from your PC using the PS3's built-in w-lan and watching it on a TV is awesome; way better than sitting in front of you monitor or using crappy TV-out. You should try it.

And the new photo viewer looks like it will be a great; certainly superior to browsing folders on a PC.

nem · Post by **nem** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:20 pm

Well, it sure looks exactly like it (albeit un-italicized).

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:39 pm

It's similar, but not the same. Besides, Spider-Man came first.

A trailer of Spider-Man using the "Spider-Man font" was shown in early September 2001 and the movie was released on 3 May 2002, while David Beckham Soccer was released on 1 July 2002. So if anything, the people who made Beckham Soccer were inspired by Spider-Man, and looking for a similar font, chose a commercial font from 1993, called "Mata".

See for yourself.
Here's the Spider-Man font:
http://www.1001fonts.com/font_details.html?font_id=901

Go there and type "DAVID BECKHAM SOCCER", then look at the "B" and the "R". If you observe closely, you'll notice that "E" and "D" are different, too (as is the capital "M" of that font).

The "Mata" font used in David Beckham Soccer:
http://www.t26.com/fonts/243-Mata

In short, what jpj wrote is nonsense.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:39 pm

Ceph wrote: Here's the Spider-Man font:
http://www.1001fonts.com/font_details.html?font_id=901

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:43 pm

As I recall, the PS3 is a COMPUTER entertainment system. You guys are supposed to be amazed by its complicated cell architecture and wowed by it's blu-ray disc playing capability. You can put linux on it and make it the multimedia centerpiece of your home theater. It can even participate in cloud computing. It's also a really nice conversation piece should your lady friend take a glance at it while popping tabs of X. That is if you barbarians should be so lucky to know the touch of a lady that isn't your mother.

The ps3 can do ALL this and you guys want to play games on it. PSHAW! snort! SNORT I say! You people don't deserve a ps3. While you kiddies are crying I'm going to look forward to the Open Office port that the ps3 will be getting later this year. I imagine my future employers will be greatly impressed when I inform them that I typed my cover letter up on a ps3!

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:43 pm

@Sonic R
Xbox 1 really did use the Mata font.

@The n00b
Believe it or not, I use my PS3 for streaming almost every day.

MadScientist · Post by **MadScientist** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:53 pm

PS3s all over the world are curing cancer and combating global warming as we speak. They don't need your pity. They've got work to do.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:45 pm

Ceph wrote:In short, what jpj wrote is nonsense.

Not true, what you write tends to be nonsense because when it comes to the PS3 you have no ability to be objective.

Ceph wrote:May? Haha.

Ceph wrote:Why does it sound like even this was very difficult for you to type?

Ceph wrote:To be honest, this whole thread seems like an attempt at trolling.

Sad.

Even when I agree that the hardware is good for the sake of honest debate, I still have to put up with you being an uppity prick about it.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:52 pm

Is the PS3 more powerful than a decent quality PC?

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:10 pm

MadScientist wrote:That's a pretty weak (and highly subjective) reason.

Mate, I agree. I'm certainly not ignorant enough to think that the success of a console is down to its look - just wondering how much the look does constitute market success (definitely got something to do with it.)

Ok, well lots have people have expressed honest dissatisfaction, others the opposite: I'll lay my thoughts on the table though -

I like my PS3. When I use it I do enjoy its interface and particularly the quality of the image. I find running the same game on the PS3 (like a demo for instance) is much better visually.
I also like the menu system - I liked it on the PSP too, and I still reckon it's brilliant for organising things. Far better than the 360 menu, but that's probably because the PS3 is a lot freer with multimedia options - and I think that's the biggest win about the console. I'm hoping that hackers manage to really exploit the power of the PS3 as they did with the PSP, and I can whack in a larger SATA and build it up as a fantastic library station. For the time being it's still a dream to tinker with, and it's my most used item for films, which look superb upscaled or on Blu Ray. I never, ever use my 360 for DVD's.

Unfortunately, game wise I am interested in making use of online options. I like the idea of getting home from work, turning on a console and seeing a whole bunch of mates involved in a game I can jump into at any time. The 360 is really the only choice for this. It's atmosphere of joining gamers together is second to none, and the upshot is I'd rather buy a 360 version of a multi-format game than a PS3 one, just because I see it having greater longevity. XBL in general is fun simply to browse, whereas the PSN store etc is a little dull (and sometimes frustratingly slow

)
I kind of feel like the pad is dated too - I really think Sony copped out on this, regardless of how functional people believe it still is. Playing FPS's on any console is not ideal, but the 360 pad is a lot more comfortable IMO.

Anyway, perhaps my PS3 isn't collecting dust when it comes to movies - but that's not really why people buy a games console (well, some might want a Blu Ray player but that's still missing the point).
When it comes to games it doesn't get as much use as I'd like. I'd love there to be some more attractive releases coming out of Japan so I could make use of the region free freedom (some shmups would be really nice - fingers crossed for Cave ports cos I don't like the idea of owning two 360's.)
I think the future is getting bleaker though, especially as PS Home is a massive let down and that price tag is just way too high to make it more attractive to the sensible buyer.

That's my two bits anyway, flame away boys.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:16 pm

i've added it to my sig now, but if you wanna add me skykid, or anyone else really, my PSN tag is elenawing

i mainly only play david beckham soccer though

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:20 pm

jpj wrote:i've added it to my sig now, but if you wanna add me skykid, or anyone else really, my PSN tag is elenawing

i mainly only play david beckham soccer though

Your razor sharp sarcasm turns me on.

I'll add you when I turn the machine on again mate - but I don't think I've a lot to play wid ya unfortunately.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:52 pm

Skykid wrote: I'll add you when I turn the machine on again mate

see you in december

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:55 pm

jpj wrote:
Skykid wrote: I'll add you when I turn the machine on again mate
see you in december

UnscathedFlyingObject · Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:20 am

People keep telling me my opinion is full of it because I don't like WoW, and I originally bought it against my own advice. Pffft. They should listen to the completely unbiased opinion that owning the game gives me and go eat a can of tacos.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:30 am

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:06 am

UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:People keep telling me my opinion is full of it because I don't like WoW, and I originally bought it against my own advice. Pffft. They should listen to the completely unbiased opinion that owning the game gives me and go eat a can of tacos.

Come on man, this is stupid.

MadScientist · Post by **MadScientist** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:50 am

It's a better point than saying LittleBigPlanet is like Facebook or the PS3 is 90% FPSs.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:01 am

MadScientist wrote:It's a better point than saying LittleBigPlanet is like Facebook or the PS3 is 90% FPSs.

No it's not.

Little Big Planet thrives on being the gaming equivalent of social networking, (I'm not sure how anyone can miss that?) and I never said the PS3 was 90% FPS's - you're thinking of someone else.

MadScientist · Post by **MadScientist** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:21 am

Skykid wrote:[
Little Big Planet thrives on being the gaming equivalent of social networking, (I'm not sure how anyone can miss that?) and I never said the PS3 was 90% FPS's - you're thinking of someone else.

LBP thrives on being a fun platform game. The social networking isn't something I've bothered with and I still enjoy it. The early levels can be a bit dull, but it picks up later on and the MGS pack was a nice addition.

I know you didn't say the PS3 was 90% FPSs. I was just using a couple of random digs at the PS3 from the thread that nobody had bothered to challenge yet.

lawnspic · Post by **lawnspic** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:28 am

Mines on Ebay right now. The system is bland. Soon as i get paid its PA and X360 NTSC-J. GOWIII was the only thing holding me back, but live has improved so much since i sold my last 360 i miss it. Also all the big releases for 360 are region free anyway so why not import

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:04 am

Can we just implement a rule banning people from talking about consoles specifically. Please.

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:57 am

Skykid wrote:Now I own the machine I was hoping all the other PS3 owners would feel comfortable discussing their disappointment or, on the flip side, what they're enjoying the most about the console.

I'm sorry, but it reads like troll to me. You have ignored everything 'enjoyable' people have posted about the console, such as my list of games in this response, except when you disagree with it (like Heavenly Sword and Little Big Planet). And you reply to even the simplest one-liner negative comment with one word agreements and emoticons.

To humour the notion that this is a balanced debate, the only thing I'm really disappointed with is EU PSN.