Shooting Game Tournament 2007 (Themes/Game Selection Thread)

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:34 pm

Icarus wrote:BATSUGUN SPECIAL.

Biggest list of 2nd/3rd-loop scores, no doubt about it.

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:37 pm

Twiddle wrote:
Icarus wrote:BATSUGUN SPECIAL.
Biggest list of 2nd/3rd-loop scores, no doubt about it.

All sub-20mil, since everyone will be too scared to suicide for score.
I keed, I keed. Or am I? ^_-

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:45 pm

I would also like to see Cute 'em up week. Capcom week or Taito week would be awesome.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:46 pm

Icarus wrote:
Twiddle wrote:
Icarus wrote:BATSUGUN SPECIAL.
Biggest list of 2nd/3rd-loop scores, no doubt about it.
All sub-20mil, since everyone will be too scared to suicide for score.
I keed, I keed. Or am I? ^_-

Considering the stage 4 suicide dance is the easiest thing ever in Special

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:48 pm

Twiddle wrote:Considering the stage 4 suicide dance is the easiest thing ever in Special

I'd love to see people do it in 2-4, 3-4 and 4-4.
Scoring in n-5 is considerably easier.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:52 pm

ps DJIon mustard do not mislead people to thinking this is a vote

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:52 pm

@Rob: So you'd be willing to sacrifice Psikyo week under the premise it was used last year?

Here's a suggestion (two, actually):
-micro hit box week
-huge hit box week

But yeah, even if I wasn't a Cave fan, one must admit, they're pretty much the last company making the damn games. Seems logical to dedicate a week to them. We could always have "porn mahjong" week to celebrate Psikyo.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:52 pm

Another vote for Konami week, especially since I just got the Gradius Deluxe Pack on Saturn. For Taito week, I would especially like doing Rayforce and G-Darius. I wouldn't mind a GB b/w week with Nemesis, Gradius: IA/Nemesis II, Twinbee Da!!, Sagaia, and Solar Striker either. Another vote for Retro week too.

I wouldn't mind a Psyiko week, though I'm probably a bit biased because I just got Strikers 1945 1 for my Saturn.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:53 pm

I'd rather play a "borderliner week" than play a Cave week that doesn't involve Dangun Feveron

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:05 am

GaijinPunch wrote:@Rob: So you'd be willing to sacrifice Psikyo week under the premise it was used last year?

I don't think anyone has suggested another Psikyo week (insert "for a reason" here). I wouldn't suggest it and I think the only games that should reappear are a few non-winners from the non-developer weeks. No Psikyo, no Raizing, no Cave.

-huge hit box week

Hell.

But yeah, even if I wasn't a Cave fan, one must admit, they're pretty much the last company making the damn games. Seems logical to dedicate a week to them.

It was logical. Last time. There is a 25 year+ history of the genre, so I don't think it is necessary or logical to give them a week every time the competition comes up. There are hundreds of other games to choose from.

Also, was it agreed that the tournament be shortened to five weeks? That's not that many.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:19 am

"NES game rob hated on in his thread" week

maxi · Post by **maxi** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:21 am

I sugest 8-bits week:
-Zombie Nation

-Astro Warrior
-Knightmare
-Space Manbow

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:30 am

More suggestions:
WWII/post WWII week
Organic week
Flying people week

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:33 am

zakk wrote:"NES game rob hated on in his thread" week

I vote Gyrodine.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:52 am

Rob wrote: It was logical. Last time. There is a 25 year+ history of the genre, so I don't think it is necessary or logical to give them a week every time the competition comes up. There are hundreds of other games to choose from.

I would consider this like an awards show.... focusing on the mainly new things (not possible w/ the MAME only rule, really) and celebrating the old only in minority. IE -- one week.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:02 am

Updated Classics Week, with games like Xevious Arrangement, Galaga Arrangement, Super Space Invaders '91/Majestic Twelve, Space Invaders '95/Akkinvader, and Galaga '88.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:40 am

Icarus wrote:
Shatterhand wrote:actually, Cyvern was in Ramus' weekly shmeet... and yeah, Icarus dominated it. That's why it wasn't an option in the STGT, because many people had just played it.

captain ahar wrote:cyvern (was in last year, icarus dominated if i remember)
I didn't dominate it at all. I was beaten by a small amount by NTSC-J, and only managed to get my personal best a couple of hours after the tournament week ended.

Obviously I'd like Raizing to return (and to some extent Cave), but it'd be nice to see other developers get the nod for selection this time around. Taito, Seibu, Konami, Capcom and other smaller devs have a nice selection of games that would make for good competition.

And we're already getting the "it's Cave or I'm not playing" people popping in already. Great. *eyes roll*

i think my memory is tainted by the input/video you distributed last time (somewhere in the second loop, no?)

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:48 am

captain ahar wrote:i think my memory is tainted by the input/video you distributed last time (somewhere in the second loop, no?)

Correct. Stage 2-4, 14mil+.
However, that score was done after the end of the playing week, so it didn't count in the tournament. Check STGT '05 - Cyvern thread, and current score thread. I was pretty frustrated by inconsistency, and decided to kill the rest of the final day resting and watching some films. Took a couple of credits at the end of the night (after playing week end), and pulled off the 14mil+.

I'd love to return to it and maybe get a 2-ALL, but not right now.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:16 am

BrianC's idea about updated classics week is nice!

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:35 am

+1 Flying people week

and I'ld like to add CHEESE WEEK

Edge · Post by **Edge** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:49 am

In my opinion Cave and Raizing are probably the most important and favourite companies for the score-centric shmupping scene. Therefore I can really see why we could include weeks for these developers every year.

But yet I think if we include these weeks by default we limit our variation. And, yeah game choices will become pretty predictable. They were already somewhat predictable last year, like namakoteam proved us. I don't wanna mock you guys for practising early or anything,

Just wanna point out that game selections just by company are somewhat predictable, but returning developer weeks are even more predictable. As we already know the results of last year's STGT polls. Making the math even more predictable. Offcourse there is still the possibility that the games popularity would turn out different this time...

That's why I think mixxed developer weeks are a better solution. Like the proposed "Last year's second place", or a "famous developer week" / "manic week". Along these lines. I think to keep the STGT fresh, we should also have new week themes each year and try to avoid getting stuck with what we already had. Though I am not to say that we MUST exclude Cave / Raizing Week. I just wanted to point out that those developers might not have a week on its own in this year's STGT. But you'll certainly can expect games from these deveoplers to appear in one or more polls.

That's my opinion so far.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:50 pm

what Rob and Edge said.

and what Maxi said too. Yeah, please, give me Space Manbow AND Knightmare. Yeah. Please.

I would really dig a 8-bits week

BrianC's WWII/post WWII week suggestion is better than my "Airplane week".

Gigawing ships are airplanes, right? I've been playing Gigawing Generations lately, and in spite of the port problems , it's a sweet awesome game. We have to put the first Gigawing here somewhere, even if just to please Rob

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:18 pm

8-bit week sounds cool. A MSX week would be awesome too.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:12 pm

Since we played my very favorite game last year, I think I should mostly stay quiet in these discussions. But...

I love Edge's idea of theme weeks. Some first thoughts:

bomb-dropping week (not sure what else to call shmups like Souky, Xevious, Layer Section...)
bullet-reflecting week
cute-em up week (what could be more cheerful and fun than that?)

I'm sure the following would be really popular:
memorizer week

Personally, I think a Doujin week is too fringe for this mainstream event.

Ayanami · Post by **Ayanami** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:25 pm

I would love for Raizing week to return. But I am cool if it does not.

I forgot to mention Toaplan. We need a Toaplan week for sure.

Toaplan
Seibu
Raizing
Konami
Hidden Gem

This would be the most ideal I think.

But replacing Raizing with Taito is okay with me.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:36 pm

yeah, I would scrap all the "developers week" and go just for themed weeks.

And I obviously would LOVE an MSX week.

We could have Aleste 2 and Space Manbow, as they are the top class MSX games, Knightmare because it has already been mentioned, Gall Force because it's the only MSX shmup I can remember that has something that resembles a score system (Athoulgh a pale one, I must admit) and Gulkave, just because it would be fun to see if anyone is brave enough to endure all 32 levels of it./

OH hell, scrap all this voting and stuff, let's just do an MSX Shooting Tournament.

Now, seriously, do we have to stick with Mame only? It would be nice to play games that are non-arcade... I still think Beamrider would be a blast, I am sure the Mega-Drive has some worthy shmups, and of course I would have tears of joy if we had an MSX game (or even an Amiga game, though it's a bitch to emulate..) played.

Dumple · Post by **Dumple** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:35 am

I'll throw in my vote for cute-em-up week!

Also, if there's a Seibu week, make sure it's the last week. Because like the song says, you have to Seibu the best for last.

--Dumple

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:07 am

Dumple wrote:Because like the song says, you have to Seibu the best for last.

ahahahahahahahaha

kill yourself

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Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:08 pm

professor ganson wrote:Personally, I think a Doujin week is too fringe for this mainstream event.

If it's freeware (like X.X's stuff), why would this even be an issue? And hell, what's wrong with holding a score comp for a demo (like the first 2 levels presented in the Kamui demo)? It's basically the equivalent of a Caravan Mode. Doujin does not have to equal obscure Comiket Product.

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:27 pm

Kiken wrote:If it's freeware (like X.X's stuff), why would this even be an issue? And hell, what's wrong with holding a score comp for a demo (like the first 2 levels presented in the Kamui demo)? It's basically the equivalent of a Caravan Mode. Doujin does not have to equal obscure Comiket Product.

First, there is the issue of compatibility. In last year's tournament, there were players who had problems getting MAME to run, so there is no guarantee that a demo of some doujin will be able to run as well, freeware or not. Nine times out of ten, freeware and demos are unoptimised and buggy. I've had Hitogata Happa refuse to load even though my PC can run the latest commercial PC games. Radio Zonde is slow and jerky. And that's just as an example.

Then there are the arcade/console-only players, people who don't touch PC games or emulators at all. Granted, all you'd need to do is get a PC joypad, but at this moment in time, it's still very short-notice to ensure that every possible participant has access to and is capable of running a doujin game.

If you're going to use doujin in this tournament, at least start compiling player data and a possible shortlist a long time before the actual themes and registration threads appear.

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