Ketsui - Arcade and X360 Arrange

Post by **Dave_K.** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:16 pm

MrMonkeyMan wrote:Proof[/b]

Question about the lower scores, are you resetting if you screw up by stage 4? Just wondering how consistant your high scoring plays are, like how many does it take to get warmed up?

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:38 pm

Dave_K. wrote:
MrMonkeyMan wrote:Proof[/b]
Question about the lower scores, are you resetting if you screw up by stage 4? Just wondering how consistant your high scoring plays are, like how many does it take to get warmed up?

Hmm, I let myself have about 2 deaths on the first loop before I trash it. Unless I lose a life on stage 1 or 2 then instant restart. It really depends on my mood too. Usually I only play a few credits and if after, say, 15 minutes I'm still dying constantly on the first 3 stages I just turn the game back off.

Most of my highscores seem to come from my first or second credit after turning the game on because otherwise I just turn it off again. Today I just felt like playing a lot of Ketsui.

Oh hey! Take that DOOM!

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:41 pm

I noticed your Ura Loop scorepost at Team Cowboy's forum, MMM.
Have you made much progress with that lately?

Also, grats on the stellar scores.

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:53 pm

Icarus wrote:I noticed your Ura Loop scorepost at Team Cowboy's forum, MMM.
Have you made much progress with that lately?

Also, grats on the stellar scores.

Nah, URA loop is hard. I did have an awesome game today where I went in to stage 4 with 99 million points and was gonna smoke that first round, but I got nervous and started dropping points all over. I only made it through the first loop with 229 million points. Should have been around 237 million. Didn't matter since I screwed up 2-2 with like a dozen deaths or something and ended the run with 280 million.

I did get to beat DOOM at the end though. Only took six attempts.

I really might consider bombing just before the 5th boss one time to see if I can get a really awesome Tsuujou loop score, but I'd feel so dirty...

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:20 am

Totally updated.

I'm still playing this, but I took a rather long break after I got the first loop (I was going to burn out otherwise). I sat down at the cab randomly one day a few weeks ago and beat my HS by 1M points on the first credit.

The first loop of this game is so full of potentially stupid deaths. Bullets just take weird paths sometimes...

Also every time I take a break from this game my timing for the 2nd stage midboss is all messed up for a while. I really need to come up with a way to minimize waiting around for the background to loop so I spend less time dodging around in that blue bullet pattern without holding fire down...

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:37 am

MrMonkeyMan wrote:I really might consider bombing just before the 5th boss one time to see if I can get a really awesome Tsuujou loop score, but I'd feel so dirty...

Why not aim for the Ura anyway, and if you anticipate a mistake, protect the loop attempt with a bomb. At least that way you'll be in the Ura regularly with more practice, and can still go for a high-scoring Tsuujou (sp?) run if something goes wrong.

Just commenting of course. You're the one doing awesome things with a difficult game. It's up to you.

zakk wrote:Also every time I take a break from this game my timing for the 2nd stage midboss is all messed up for a while. I really need to come up with a way to minimize waiting around for the background to loop so I spend less time dodging around in that blue bullet pattern without holding fire down...

From what I played of it in London, I had developed a fairly decent technique of killing the st2 midboss and still triggering a decent following swarm. Quickly lock onto the midboss as soon as it sweeps in from the left, then pointblank it up-close until it gets to the right of the screen. Back off, stay roughly under it (tapping to follow it across the screen) until you destroy the trailer section, then re-lock and keep attacking until it is destroyed. Most of the time I destroyed it almost in the right position for an extended swarm.

Obviously you guys would try to delay the kill for the maximum score, but I only had a limited time to play, so I went for speed and safety instead.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:46 am

Yeah, it's that delay that's killer. That 'swarm' section is fairly critical to a well scoring stage 2. The difference between an 'ok' timing and 'near perfect' is 200-300 5-chips. And killing it too early is disaster.

I think I might break out the capture PC and start experimenting tonight.

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:05 am

zakk wrote:Yeah, it's that delay that's killer. That 'swarm' section is fairly critical to a well scoring stage 2. The difference between an 'ok' timing and 'near perfect' is 200-300 5-chips. And killing it too early is disaster.

I think I might break out the capture PC and start experimenting tonight.

I lock on when he's in the middle of the screen, and then wait in the bottom right corner. He will move back to the left and then start heading to the right where he'll release those mines, and this is when I sweep under him destroying the front section and then I start camping out in the bottom left corner. When he's almost destroyed let go of the lock (he should be on the right side of the screen) and then turn your laser back on and you can dodge bullets in the bottom left corner safely without locking on to him until he comes back to the left side of the screen, where you can then figure out the perfect timing to finish him off.

I made a video because that's a big blob of text.

Icarus wrote:
MrMonkeyMan wrote:I really might consider bombing just before the 5th boss one time to see if I can get a really awesome Tsuujou loop score, but I'd feel so dirty...
Why not aim for the Ura anyway, and if you anticipate a mistake, protect the loop attempt with a bomb. At least that way you'll be in the Ura regularly with more practice, and can still go for a high-scoring Tsuujou (sp?) run if something goes wrong.

Just commenting of course. You're the one doing awesome things with a difficult game. It's up to you.

Yeah, I doubt I ever will, but at the moment I know I can get more points from the Tsuujou loop. My Ura loop performance is pretty random. I've only played it 6 times. It kind of feels like I'm wasting all those hard earned points when I go in there and start dying all over the place though.

EDIT

3. COWBOY-RJJ - 270,681,968 - 2-5 - Tiger Schwert

Something is wrong here.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:59 am

Fixed his ship type. Maybe I was trying to shame him into playing again.

I'm having good luck moving the delay on the 2nd midboss to the beginning. I wait until it starts cutting back towards the middle to lock on to it. I still need to work out exact timing. Likely I need to work out at what point in the background sequence to start, since the time to kill it is fairly constant.

This will remove my one point of random retarded stage 2 death. Although my biggest source of that is stage 3 by far (well and stage 5 sorta, but that's different). Speaking of that, I 1-bombed to stage 5 yesterday and it had been so long since I'd played that stage I didn't even get the clear. total lols.

CRI · Post by **CRI** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:28 pm

finally beat the 1st loop:

CRI - 127,151,748 - 1-ALL - Panzer Jager

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:57 pm

good job
will you keep playing it?

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:18 am

Oh right. I never posted the video. If anyone wants it here it is.

361 million, all.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:48 am

MrMonkeyMan wrote:Oh right. I never posted the video. If anyone wants it here it is.

361 million, all.

I absolutely hate the part where you have your first loop death. I die exactly the same way so many times.

Also everytime I watch someone else playing Ketsui I am reminded i need to figure out why the hell I'm rarely scoring over 19M on stage 1. I feel so silly worrying about ~1M points at this stage...

MLeJazz · Post by **MLeJazz** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:18 pm

Little Up ,
MLeJazz - 113,825,102 - 1-5 - Panzer Jager

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:53 am

So this was supposed to be the run, but it seems I have mastered the art of screwing up just enough to end every run with the exact same score.

230 million into the loop, all my lives and 6 bombs (used 1 bomb on stage 5) and yet I somehow only end up with this?

MrMonkeyMan - 362,657,882 - ALL - Tiger Schwert - Proof

I guess two deaths on 2-3 and three deaths on 2-4 will do that to a run. Not to mention another two deaths on the first half of 2-5.

Zakk, you don't have to post this one, I don't care.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:33 pm

Instead of putting your fist and/or foot through the monitor you made this post, right?

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:43 am

Dave K. - 72,529,756 - 1-4 - Tiger Schwert

CHY · Post by **CHY** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:54 pm

may be today is my last time to play ketsui this year.i will going to another city which do not have ketsui for my new job. "my first real 2loops" is end at the last second of 5 stage's boss.

i'll be back in a year.ketsui is the only game i must ALL in my life.

CHY · Post by **CHY** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:57 pm

right,mr monkeyman,i'm quite interesting what moniter do u use to play.TV?

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:23 pm

CHY wrote:right,mr monkeyman,i'm quite interesting what moniter do u use to play.TV?

I play on my tiny 14" Toshiba TV. It is my Ketsui TV. Everything else I play on my 19" monitor, but Ketsui hates my upscanner thing and the colours come out disgusting. I wonder if anyone remembers my first videos of the game? It looks like that.

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:25 am

MrMonkeyMan wrote:
CHY wrote:right,mr monkeyman,i'm quite interesting what moniter do u use to play.TV?
Ketsui hates my upscanner thing and the colours come out disgusting

does that mean that some pcb´s like ketsui dont like every kind of tv?
Like colored puke on an american or european tv while it works just fine on a japanese one`

CHY · Post by **CHY** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:02 am

MrMonkeyMan wrote:
CHY wrote:right,mr monkeyman,i'm quite interesting what moniter do u use to play.TV?
I play on my tiny 14" Toshiba TV. It is my Ketsui TV. Everything else I play on my 19" monitor, but Ketsui hates my upscanner thing and the colours come out disgusting. I wonder if anyone remembers my first videos of the game? It looks like that.

14 toshiba tv!!!u are great!u beat 360million ,i think that's much difficult than all the real 2 loops.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:32 am

MrMonkeyMan wrote: I play on my tiny 14" Toshiba TV.

And you play with a pad, right? This really flies in the face of those who say you need a stick and a big RGB monitor to have a chance at top scores. All you really need are skills.

You can have the perfect monitor and the perfect arcade-caliber joystick, but if you suck, you suck.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:54 am

Big screens suck because you have a larger area to scan.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:17 pm

Yes massive props to MMM for the dinky screen and pad, but we should probably move this discussion off the High Score thread. For the newbs in the crowd, this has already been fully discussed.

Does a bigger screen size make shmups easier or harder?
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=5093

Why superguns suck
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=8861

Looking at the screen
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=10707

Post by **Dave_K.** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:53 am

Dave K. - 77,098,985 - 1-5 - Tiger Schwert

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:31 pm

MrMonkeyMan - 373,731,275 - ALL - Tiger Schwert - Proof - Video

This was a fantastic run. Only one death before 2-5. Went in to that final stage with 326 million. Totally blew it on the last stage though with five deaths. Could have had as high as 390 million. Such a shame.

The video's linked up there if you want it.

CHY · Post by **CHY** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:52 am

MrMonkeyMan wrote:MrMonkeyMan - 373,731,275 - ALL - Tiger Schwert - Proof - Video

This was a fantastic run. Only one death before 2-5. Went in to that final stage with 326 million. Totally blew it on the last stage though with five deaths. Could have had as high as 390 million. Such a shame.

The video's linked up there if you want it.

congratulation!it's a wonderful score!

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:09 am

MrMonkeyMan wrote:MrMonkeyMan - 373,731,275 - ALL - Tiger Schwert - Proof - Video

This was a fantastic run. Only one death before 2-5. Went in to that final stage with 326 million. Totally blew it on the last stage though with five deaths. Could have had as high as 390 million. Such a shame.

The video's linked up there if you want it.

first the 400mil breakthrough and then DOOM
go for it

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:34 am

373

Amazing.

14"

Amazing.

pad

Amazing.