Hehe, I take it you're jokingFudoh wrote:and try a PAL NES via composite for the best non-RGB quality you've seen yet from a NESYou should really try composite from something like a Mega Drive or a Neo Geo (anything with a Sony CXA1145 encoder really), because that will look absolutely ass.Set the XRGB to 576p50 output.
I tried that and it looked terrible, in 720p mode though.I second this. I've found no reason to have a sync separator in SCART adaptor. In early firmware some consoles wouldn't sync, and a LM1881 could be used, but that is a thing of the past. I suppose the eBay adaptor continues to sell this way to keep the higher price tag and prevent returns from those who haven't updated their firmware or can't figure out how to adjust the sync level. Idiot proofing?Fudoh wrote:fagin, just watching your video - a few comments:
I actually don't need or use a sync stripper on ANY of my systems and that includes a lot of systems. Did you actually encounter any problems in using the Mini without a sync stripper ? Not according to your review, right ? I think Micomsoft paid good attention to this point and made sure no pure sync is needed - especially since they brought the sync level function with the last update.
To be fair, retro_console_accessories has sold both versions of the adapter (with and without sync processing of some sort) concurrently, and has mentioned having had a lotttttttt of trouble with clueless buyers in the past (look at how many posts rock man and smashbro have had to make across several threads / forums in order to understand rgb setups). She even was giving a 5 dollar discount on one of her items if you bothered to fully read the ebay listing and understood what you were actually buying.RGB32E wrote:I second this. I've found no reason to have a sync separator in SCART adaptor. In early firmware some consoles wouldn't sync, and a LM1881 could be used, but that is a thing of the past. I suppose the eBay adaptor continues to sell this way to keep the higher price tag and prevent returns from those who haven't updated their firmware or can't figure out how to adjust the sync level. Idiot proofing?Fudoh wrote:fagin, just watching your video - a few comments:
I actually don't need or use a sync stripper on ANY of my systems and that includes a lot of systems. Did you actually encounter any problems in using the Mini without a sync stripper ? Not according to your review, right ? I think Micomsoft paid good attention to this point and made sure no pure sync is needed - especially since they brought the sync level function with the last update.
sure, everything else would be way to complicated.The XRGB mini accepts composite video for sync? Am I understanding this correctly?
Konsolkongen wrote:I can't take a picture of it. It's a wave-like pattern that moves up the screen at variable speed. It starts really fast, but after about five minutes it slows down to the point where it's almost not noticeable anymore, and then it speeds up again.Aatos wrote: So this would point out more to the same flickering effect that you described, can you take a picture of it/describe it better?
Nope sorry. I was just suggested replacing my PSU as a possible solution to the problem. I remember that someones image problems with their SNES was solved by replacing the PSU, so it's not impossible it would work. But then again, if you have tried two different PSUs then it would be pretty strange if both were bad.Do you have any explanation why different PSUs would be any different? In case you're actually referring to the box that is attached to the end (it does have external psu, right?), I think I've tried two but my effect persists..
I willIn the meantime, let me know Konsolkongen if you come up with anything new/try this mod out with PAL console etc. And everyone, thanks again for looking into this!
Really? To me it looked pretty bad. I don't have a PAL NES anymore because I installed a US CPU, Crystal and RGB PPU insteadFudoh wrote:No, I'm actually serious. Not that I would settle for what I saw, but I was surprised, even perplexed at what I saw. In comparison to processors which are known to have good comb filters (Vigatec), the PAL NES looked stunning on the Mini. Hardly any dot crawl or rainbows. Light years from what the Mini does on NTSC NES signals.
I don't recall there being a version for the XRGB-mini from retro_console_accessories without sync processing; both versions I'm familiar with have the chip built in. The more expensive one (v2) has separate power cables, while the slightly cheaper one (v1) draws power from the video cable. And I have to agree that "idiot proofing" is the most likely reason...Zapf wrote:To be fair, retro_console_accessories has sold both versions of the adapter (with and without sync processing of some sort) concurrently
me too, but I keep a PAL unit around for the enhanced Mario Bros. It's speed-adapted to 50Hz units and runs to fast on 60Hz machines.I don't have a PAL NES anymore because I installed a US CPU, Crystal and RGB PPU instead
from a NTSC NES ? Nothing to gain here....Pretty noticeable dotcrawl I'd say. I did output in 720p and I doubt 480p would have made much of a difference here?
Yeah EU Mario on a US machine is bad. Surprisingly many NES games are 50Hz optimized :OFudoh wrote:me too, but I keep a PAL unit around for the enhanced Mario Bros. It's speed-adapted to 50Hz units and runs to fast on 60Hz machines.I don't have a PAL NES anymore because I installed a US CPU, Crystal and RGB PPU instead
No that picture was taken from my EU NES, before I converted it to USfrom a NTSC NES ? Nothing to gain here....Pretty noticeable dotcrawl I'd say. I did output in 720p and I doubt 480p would have made much of a difference here?
Shining wrote:I still got this little problem that bugs me. I own the following systems and these are hooked up with euro scart cables:
US SNES (1CHIP-01)
US Genesis (model 1)
US PSOne (the small one)
PC Engine Duo-RX (with unknown RGB mod)
AV Famicom (RGB mod)
First i got this adapter. It still works flawlessly with my SNES, and Genesis. However, with the Duo-RX and AV Famicom i get sound but no picture. I have tried the different sync level settings on the Mini to no avail.
Then i got this adapter. With this one i get both picture and sound but instead i sometimes get random drop outs on EVERY console. Could it be due to the power supply not feeding it enough power? Maybe a separate power supply for the adapter would do the trick?
It seems like most of you guys don't have these issues
I must be one of those clueless people i guessFudoh wrote:Yes, get that passive adapter. The RGB Famicom will work flawlessly. It's not been too long since I got my Moosmann FC. We'll have to see about that Duo... Passive adapter + Sync level adjust works great here on my setup.
. So i got this yesterday and tried it with the systems above and this is what happens:fagin wrote: Fudoh,
Have you tested the lag in both modes with your "tester"? It just felt "different" and I think I mentioned that "it could just be me... but".
Yep, the GCN cables work perfect with the Euro scart to 8 pin adapters with "boosted sync" from Retro Access when hooked up to an US SNES. The passive adapter mentioned by me (and Fudoh) above really seems to be the solution, only that i need to get other cables for my Nintendo systems.kamiboy wrote:Simple deduction would have it that the problem is with your Gamecube RGB cable. Maybe something related to 220uf capacitors?
Did the cable ever work in any setup, if so what?
I tried various modes with 480i (see page 83) and the results indicated that Mini always buffers both fields with interlaced content. However, if Standard is an adaptive mode, it may be possible that the test sequence (a simple black to white transition) didn't trigger any advanced processing, making the delay on par with simpler modes. That would mean there could be even more delay in Standard mode depending on the content, which would also cause some jitter. Sounds unlikely, but it would explain this.fagin wrote:Have you tested the lag in both modes with your "tester"? It just felt "different" and I think I mentioned that "it could just be me... but".
Thanks a lot, I am such a dumbass, it worked, yeah FW is 1.07.NWrain wrote:For D terminal component input hit the "D" button on the remote for component output.
Check to see if you have the latest 1.07a firmware. Also check if the output format is at 50hz and not at 60.
Also, does your monitor or TV accept 50hz signals?
I get that alotRGB32E wrote:Wow, so many issues! Audio buzzing sounds like a ground connection isn't getting made to the mini. The only SCART to 8MDIN adapter/cable I use is the one I built myself. Maybe that's why mine works without any additional circuitry?!
In my opinion lag is very subjective, regardless of any numbers being reported. 2 frames is being reported by you, yet on (what you would perhaps expect to be) the fast mode I couldn't "feel" any lag compared to a CRT. It's weird and perhaps something we can tend to get all worked up over. Of course lag and does exist and can cause issues with play.... on test I did, I couldn't "feel" any such issues with Game_2.marqs wrote:I tried various modes with 480i (see page 83) and the results indicated that Mini always buffers both fields with interlaced content. However, if Standard is an adaptive mode, it may be possible that the test sequence (a simple black to white transition) didn't trigger any advanced processing, making the delay on par with simpler modes. That would mean there could be even more delay in Standard mode depending on the content, which would also cause some jitter. Sounds unlikely, but it would explain this.fagin wrote:Have you tested the lag in both modes with your "tester"? It just felt "different" and I think I mentioned that "it could just be me... but".
I'm guessing that the passive adapter is missing ground connections. Perhaps it's only ground connection is on the outer part of the hood. Official Nintendo RGB cables don't connect ground to the outer hood, so that could explain what you're encountering. The switch could be joining all ground connections, so that could be why it works with that. Would it be easy enough to open the passive adapter and post a picture of the connections?Shining wrote:I get that alotRGB32E wrote:Wow, so many issues! Audio buzzing sounds like a ground connection isn't getting made to the mini. The only SCART to 8MDIN adapter/cable I use is the one I built myself. Maybe that's why mine works without any additional circuitry?!
Seriously though, i can live with having to switch between adapters as i don't have the skills to modify cables etc. But it sure would be nice to have only one for all of my consoles.
EDIT: So, i dug out my cheap old RGB scart switch and voila, now i get both picture and sound using the passive adapter. The switch produces artifacts so it's not really a solution.
Interesting! I will try and do it this weekend.RGB32E wrote:I'm guessing that the passive adapter is missing ground connections. Perhaps it's only ground connection is on the outer part of the hood. Official Nintendo RGB cables don't connect ground to the outer hood, so that could explain what you're encountering. The switch could be joining all ground connections, so that could be why it works with that. Would it be easy enough to open the passive adapter and post a picture of the connections?Shining wrote:I get that alotRGB32E wrote:Wow, so many issues! Audio buzzing sounds like a ground connection isn't getting made to the mini. The only SCART to 8MDIN adapter/cable I use is the one I built myself. Maybe that's why mine works without any additional circuitry?!
Seriously though, i can live with having to switch between adapters as i don't have the skills to modify cables etc. But it sure would be nice to have only one for all of my consoles.
EDIT: So, i dug out my cheap old RGB scart switch and voila, now i get both picture and sound using the passive adapter. The switch produces artifacts so it's not really a solution.
