Crouching Pony Hidden Dragon - new Neo Geo run & gun

[Obiwanshinobi]

What's most perplexing to me is that there's some actual talent involved in this. The graphics are actually well made. Backgrounds are nicely shaded (although in 16 colors only; WTF?) and there's some good animation. Not digging the designs of the characters, but I guess I could overlook that part. It's not that far from similar offbeat Japanese stuff.

Japanese games can get away with more malformed females.

[Cagar]

Japanese games can get away with more malformed females.

I hate people who think that aiming for realism (in one thing or another) automatically makes games better. I was like that too when I was young, though.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I don't get why realism is being mentioned here.

[Cagar]

I don't get why realism is being mentioned here.

You gave me the assumption that you think that 'malformed' female characters are globally bad thing in video games.

[Ed Oscuro]

I would think that "talent" includes "knowing not to use a white outline around your sprites."

[Udderdude]

We want this character to be as iconic and legendary as Sonic and Mario despite being released in a game 28 years later and looking like a bad paper cutout.

[manatworks]

From the makers of Bienvenue chez les Ch'tis!

Awwww man, i feel so bad for the artist who's doing art for that shit (probably at very low rate too). I used to work on art for very shitty DS titles shovelware in outsource house (in south east asia) before and i know too well how bad it is to be in that condition.

Also ,Oh god the soundtrack is making my ears bleed.

[Obiwanshinobi]

You gave me the assumption that you think that 'malformed' female characters are globally bad thing in video games.

The problem with many Japanese artists is, they don't do it intentionally. They do it because they skipped lessons such as:



To depict characters not as much realistically as convincingly, they must look at living creatures in broad daylight. To make an impression of life, they need less porn mags and more life studies.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Dragon's Crown really is unusually bad though in its art. I can't think of another video game where the human anatomy is so badly done that it looks like a photoshop disaster. There's some weird anatomy in games, and then there's Dragon Crown's artwork. Ick.

[Ed Oscuro]

This thread makes El Greco weep.

Wait, is obiwanz unironically using some Japanese anime to make point about Japanese anatomy?

I see tons of Japanese artists posting life sketches in their Pixiv, and some of them intentionally use unrealistic styles regardless of their studies - get that thoughtless generalization outta here plz

[Obiwanshinobi]

Kamitani is a rare breed alright. In Odin Sphere, I thought only Odette was badly drawn. Then he burst with equally eyebrow-rising pictures like no other established art director.
To be fair, of games I've seen in recent years, Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken Land boasted just as lamentable artwork, but I didn't find pictures of resolution and quality high enough online to be posted here.

[Cagar]

Not sure if i'm being trolled but

[evil_ash_xero]

"shall we end this charade"

[drauch]

Dude, how can you complain about those boobies? They certainly know how to appeal to those with fetishes. I ain't complainin'.

[BulletMagnet]

I must've been out when it happened, but the internet gods apparently released a decree at some point which requires the Dragon's Crown sorceress to appear in and subsequently derail every second or third thread I read.

[Vexorg]

Yeah, that's pretty terrible. If you're going to make a Kusoge, at least be self-aware enough to know you're making a Kusoge.

[Obiwanshinobi]

Dude, how can you complain about those boobies? They certainly know how to appeal to those with fetishes. I ain't complainin'.

That's the spirit of chivalry.

[nem]

I would think that "talent" includes "knowing not to use a white outline around your sprites."

Not sure what the deal with that is since not all of the art is like it

[Udderdude]

I must've been out when it happened, but the internet gods apparently released a decree at some point which requires the Dragon's Crown sorceress to appear in and subsequently derail every second or third thread I read. :P

Yeah, she just knockers everything over.

I'm especially amused that Obiwanshinobi's avatar is based on Japanese historical art which was definitely stylized and highly unrealistic ..

[BIL]

their explanation on why they're making it for the NeoGeo.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

I'm especially amused that Obiwanshinobi's avatar is based on Japanese historical art which was definitely stylized and highly unrealistic ..

You can have stylized or unrealistic art without making your characters look like they're deformed. The elf has no waist or ribcage, the sorceress's right leg looks like it's dislocated from her pelvis, and the amazon looks like she's got a broken spine.

[Ed Oscuro]

So "being respectably boring" is the only proper motivation for art now? That's up to the artist to decide. I don't know what kind of angle they're going for in Dragon's Crown but that's their choice.

Ironically pretty much all the purveyors of unrealistic H-arts have done better with the characters to make appealing art off those designs, but we're talking about people whose motivation is pretty different than the original artist's (I hope).

[shmuppyLove]

I think the price is so high because they're using AF3 AES carts as donors

[Edmond Dantes]

Just wondering, can anyone give me the run-down on the Aero Fighters 3 drama?

I saw the thread on neo-geo.com but I never really saw anything conclusive, just some guy saying "this cover label contains minor imperfections that makes it a fake!" and the seller guy making vague comments that meant nothing. I mean yeah, I won't be buying AF3 any time soon, I just want to know if fakery was ever confirmed for a fact, in a way that would stand up in court.

[BIL]

It wasn't forensically proven, no. You'd need a more competent investigation for that and as we know, snitches get stitches. Only your usual VG messageboard hi-jinks to date, albeit with NG.com's unmatched calibre of house photos and threats to family members.

Having said that, the immense tonnage of horse shit from the seller's side ("muh storage unit, muh BMW, muh chipz what I made for SNK") combined with the circumstantial evidence culminating in the clone-stamped cover don't make it look too good for the plonkers who blew thousands of dollars on Sonic Wings 3: Different Inlay Ver. Doubt they care though.

It's a tale of hilarity either way. It couldn't have ended any more perfectly than the Neostore selling DGE's fabricated Jockey Grandprix homecarts.

[Hagane]

So "being respectably boring" is the only proper motivation for art now? That's up to the artist to decide. I don't know what kind of angle they're going for in Dragon's Crown but that's their choice.

It's not their choice, it's what they managed to pull off. To stylize well you have to have a good grasp on the basics, something Kamitani seems to be lacking in. So you end up with funky looking stuff as in Dragon's Crown. When your character changes proportions every illustration the usual "but that's just my/his style!" excuse is too evident to work.

Kamitani can do nice looking drawings if he goes for simple poses, but anything that involves foreshortening seems to give him a really hard time.

[Ed Oscuro]

But having consistent character designs is, itself, a design choice.

I'll happily admit that I was quick to agree with those who said that the League of Legends (I think it was; unfortunately I can't remember or find specific examples) has some woeful character proportions. I certainly won't agree that the art here (especially the Amazon) is borderline revolting due to the character proportion mess.

Perhaps what I could say is that of both of them, there seems to be (to me) more attention to fine details in the Dragon's Crown art, which is interesting enough. What I'm thinking of had similar shading proficiency, some just kind of average, didn't-pay-attention-in-class horrible anatomy problems that just get laughed at (you have to almost admire the extremes to which the DC artwork has been taken, which is why I tend to think it's not completely accidental), and more fine detail in parts, which is always personally a favorite for me.

Essentially, I think that the only measure that really matters in this kind of art is whether it measures up to human tastes. Perhaps this is close to an objective standard, but it's far from the kind of standard being promoted by some posters here.

tl;dr why are we still fighting objective standards for subjective arts?

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Aww, you deleted your post. :V

[BIL]

Yeah, I was DECEIVED BY THE TROLLS ;W; turns out the demo footage is just that same shitty trailer!

[BareKnuckleRoo]

lolwut? Someone reposted the trailer as "look it's a new demo"?