XRGB-mini Framemeister

[Lord of Pirates]

Is there a translation of the manual anywhere? So far I haven't done more than plug a source in and jump between Game 1, Game 2, Meister, etc. I know this thing does WAY more, but I don't have much more than the translated remote overlay. Thanks!

I believe the Wiki has loads of relevant info:
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB ... AMEMEISTER

[Bigsasquatch]

sorry if a bunch of noob questions... trying to go through 150 pages + of discussion has fried the brain....... !

( and yes I know 240p is the units forte so forgive the following questions )

Just picked up a unit so limited changes to get to grips.... updated frimware and resent language and made a few trials......

Tried Pal wii first via both scart and component but couldnt seem to get a very good output .... in the end felt that the wiiU does a better job of outputting pal wii games and gave up via mini...

tried NTSC Ps2 next via RGB scart and while better than compnent I guess I was expecting more of an improvement and closer to CRT type image than I am getting....... what does the syncstrike / extron setup add ..... ?

I have a fair catalogue of ps2 stuff..... in reality is there a better way to go DVDOEdge or XRGB 3?

I dont have any 240p yet to test but wanted to get an NTSC snes ...... seems to be anumber of issues ? what shoudl I be aware of / avoid ?

Have a fair amount of pal gamecube games but no console .... whats the best wy to go for pal gamecube through the Mini just get a unit + scart cable or some other way ?

Can I use the Mini as a scanliner only for WiiVC over WiiU as it would input HDMI and out HDMI , with limited lag ?

thanks

BIGS

[BuckoA51]

Tried Pal wii first via both scart and component but couldnt seem to get a very good output .... in the end felt that the wiiU does a better job of outputting pal wii games and gave up via mini...

The Wii's weird, I can't get a great picture from mine either. You should always use component for progressive scan.

tried NTSC Ps2 next via RGB scart and while better than compnent I guess I was expecting more of an improvement and closer to CRT type image than I am getting....... what does the syncstrike / extron setup add ..... ?

Syncstrike will do nothing here , Extron interface when properly wired allows you to play all games in RGB rather than having to switch to component just for the 480p games.

I have a fair catalogue of ps2 stuff..... in reality is there a better way to go DVDOEdge or XRGB 3?

Did you use the PS2 settings from the Wiki? For 480i games DVDO Edge has less input lag but the Mini, when configured correctly, gives a much nicer picture. XRGB3 is basically useless at deinterlacing.

I dont have any 240p yet to test but wanted to get an NTSC snes ...... seems to be anumber of issues ? what shoudl I be aware of / avoid ?

Just make sure to get a good quality properly wired RGB cable for it.

Have a fair amount of pal gamecube games but no console .... whats the best wy to go for pal gamecube through the Mini just get a unit + scart cable or some other way ?

Trade them in for NTSC versions then track down a component cable (best, but expensive) or play them on the Wii.

Can I use the Mini as a scanliner only for WiiVC over WiiU as it would input HDMI and out HDMI , with limited lag ?

You can, though the results aren't great (VC isn't that good in the first place). Input lag is the same in all modes, around the 25ms mark I believe.

[pyrotek85]

I couldn't get a decent picture out of my Wii over component either (no scart on NTSC), but games look great on the Wii U using HDMI straight to the monitor. The upscaling it does is much better than what I was lead to believe, I'm really happy with it. I feel like I can finally enjoy some titles that just looked like crap on the Wii. I agree with BuckoA51 for the gamecube too, the component cable and 480p turn out great on the mini.

[BuckoA51]

Didn't Nintendo's latest firmware update bring back Dolby PL2 support for Wii games too?

[Midnight Milkshake]

tried NTSC Ps2 next via RGB scart and while better than compnent I guess I was expecting more of an improvement and closer to CRT type image than I am getting....... what does the syncstrike / extron setup add ..... ?

With Konsolkongen settings I have an almost perfect CRT look with Ps2, have you tried them?

[Moonwalker]

Hi together,

I have some questions, hope you can help me.
Some things are not so clear for me...

Meister and game mode are the best modes for lag reduction right?
I read sometimes that picture or video mode is better, but wont it reduce in having more lag?

Also what would be the best mode for the xbox360?
Or is it better to hook it up directly to the tv? I have no hdmi port free anymore but if the quality gets worse through the xrgb i will think of something.

Do you know a good hdmi switch?

Thanks in advance.

[Fudoh]

Meister and game mode are the best modes for lag reduction right?

no, all modes have the same lag.

I read sometimes that picture or video mode is better, but wont it reduce in having more lag?

Natural and Picture have the best quality due to lower filter settings.

Also what would be the best mode for the xbox360?
Or is it better to hook it up directly to the tv?

the only reason to run a 360 through the Mini is for scanlines if your 360 is set to 480p output. Otherwise connect it directly.

[Moonwalker]

Ok, thanks a lot for the info.

I tried the x360 in 480p with scanlines since i love them, but the picture quality wasnt so nice. Maybe because of the settings? I only have it for the shmups so i thought 480p is enough...

Another question about yokotate. I saw your page and have kind of the same problem, but another solution. I bought a 27 inch lcd monitor for the old tate games and thought the x360 would also need it. But i feel the the x360 displays the games without resolution loss in yoko mode on my bigger sony lcd, but am not sure. The box arrived yesterday and i didnt have so much time testing. Do you know anything about it? Also if there is no resolution loss, is it for all games or only the cave games? I am also interested in raiden fighters aces.

Thanks a lot for your help.

[Fudoh]

You're right. All the 360 shmups are either natively 320x240 (Raiden, Deltazeal etc) or 640x480 (Raiden 4, Hi-Res Cave ports etc), so 720p in Yoko is good enough to display a rotated 480x640 image without any loss in quality.

The hardware rotation concept is needed to either display games without software rotation (arcade boards) or the 32-bit ports where the system's resolution makes it impossible to display the games in Yoko in full res.

[Moonwalker]

Great news! If I knew that I would have gotten a box much earlier.
But then is it still ok in 480p in yoko mode then?
And is there a way to make them look good in 480p in general?
What is the native resolution for the arcade boards from the cave games?

You really helped me out a lot, thank you.

[Fudoh]

No, you need 720p for Yoko. 480p doesn't help anyway, since your scanlines would have the wrong orientation.

[Moonwalker]

I see. but If I hook them up to tate in 480p it would work, right?

And is there a loss with a stanard hdmi switch? If so what should i be aware of when buying one?

[Fudoh]

If I hook them up to tate in 480p it would work, right?

indeed.

And is there a loss with a stanard hdmi switch? If so what should i be aware of when buying one?

no, I would just buy an active one (with PSU) and not a passive one.

[Moonwalker]

Ok, thank you!

[Bigsasquatch]

tried NTSC Ps2 next via RGB scart and while better than compnent I guess I was expecting more of an improvement and closer to CRT type image than I am getting....... what does the syncstrike / extron setup add ..... ?

With Konsolkongen settings I have an almost perfect CRT look with Ps2, have you tried them?

he has abpiut 1200 posts with various suggestions.....so I didnt find a specific ps2 solution

used the wiki settings initially for display , hsync, vsync etc ..... need more time to play

thanks

[Bigsasquatch]

Tried Pal wii first via both scart and component but couldnt seem to get a very good output .... in the end felt that the wiiU does a better job of outputting pal wii games and gave up via mini...

The Wii's weird, I can't get a great picture from mine either. You should always use component for progressive scan.

tried NTSC Ps2 next via RGB scart and while better than compnent I guess I was expecting more of an improvement and closer to CRT type image than I am getting....... what does the syncstrike / extron setup add ..... ?

Syncstrike will do nothing here , Extron interface when properly wired allows you to play all games in RGB rather than having to switch to component just for the 480p games.

I have a fair catalogue of ps2 stuff..... in reality is there a better way to go DVDOEdge or XRGB 3?

thanks for replies......

i thought youd say that on the gamecube... oh well heres to another bout of collecting

i wanted to get a snes again so this is the perfect excuse instead of messing around trying to scanline vc titiles

cheers

BIGS

Did you use the PS2 settings from the Wiki? For 480i games DVDO Edge has less input lag but the Mini, when configured correctly, gives a much nicer picture. XRGB3 is basically useless at deinterlacing.

I dont have any 240p yet to test but wanted to get an NTSC snes ...... seems to be anumber of issues ? what shoudl I be aware of / avoid ?

Just make sure to get a good quality properly wired RGB cable for it.

Have a fair amount of pal gamecube games but no console .... whats the best wy to go for pal gamecube through the Mini just get a unit + scart cable or some other way ?

Trade them in for NTSC versions then track down a component cable (best, but expensive) or play them on the Wii.

Can I use the Mini as a scanliner only for WiiVC over WiiU as it would input HDMI and out HDMI , with limited lag ?

You can, though the results aren't great (VC isn't that good in the first place). Input lag is the same in all modes, around the 25ms mark I believe.

[Konsolkongen]

tried NTSC Ps2 next via RGB scart and while better than compnent I guess I was expecting more of an improvement and closer to CRT type image than I am getting....... what does the syncstrike / extron setup add ..... ?

With Konsolkongen settings I have an almost perfect CRT look with Ps2, have you tried them?

he has abpiut 1200 posts with various suggestions.....so I didnt find a specific ps2 solution

used the wiki settings initially for display , hsync, vsync etc ..... need more time to play

thanks

Here you go http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... start=4040

I added the link to my signature too so it should be easier to find

[Moonwalker]

Nice! Maybe it should be an own thread made sticky so it would be more easy to find for everyone.

[Thomago]

@Konsolkongen Actually how did you calibrate the brightness setting? I'm asking cause the Framemeister's standard setting (25) is perfectly fine for my setup; any deviations from that and I get a decrease in picture quality.

[BuckoA51]

Seriously? Mine always seems way too dark especially with HDMI input/output.

[Fudoh]

It just can be answered in general. Depends on if your TV matches the HDMI output color space and how the Mini converts the input. The Mini can introduce remarkable shifts in the brightness offset based on the source signal (RGB <> Component 240p <> Component SD <> Component ED).

[Thomago]

On my setup (a Samsung SyncMaster 2494HM... that's all) all sources have the same brightness offset. Lucky!

[Fudoh]

unlikely. Instead your Mini does probably switch between YCbCr/RGB output on the HDMI port. Or do you use forced RGB output ?

[Thomago]

unlikely. Instead your Mini does probably switch between YCbCr/RGB output on the HDMI port. Or do you use forced RGB output ?

Ah, you are right.
I overlooked that I adjusted brightness to 35 for the component input. And I use forced RGB output, otherwise the component picture is full of banding artifacts / flickering.

[BuckoA51]

Added Konsolkongen's recommended component video colour settings to the wiki and a bit on sync mode too.

[Moonwalker]

I tried the xbox360 through the xrgb and at least for the cave shmups they look a lot better through 480p with scanlines now. thanks a lot!
i used the 480p settings from konsolkongen, are any better settings for HDMI anyway?

its really a shame that the mini doesnt have a seperate audio exit. when i connect my x360 via hdmi to the xrgb and go into a lcd monitor with a hdmi to dvi cable there will be no sound.
for my rgb based consoles i have a cinch connection, i dont know how to solve this with the xbox though. has anybody an idea?

fudoh and konsolkongen really helped me a lot, thank you guys!

[MMJuno]

The first one only happens with my main TV (Pioneer Kuro) and think that it's the same that MMjuno had, he comments it here:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 62#p917762

Well, my assumption from that post seems to hold some merit, after all (that choice of TV matters). I got a new TV recently (Sony KDL-55W900A to replace my Samsung LN40A630). I just thought to try messing with the scanline settings on the Mini again last night while emulating some stuff on my Wii. The 720p + scanlines looked near perfect from a quick test, where on my old TV it was very obvious that it was stretching things unevenly. It was no big surprise, I guess, since it scaled terribly enough that it led me to pick up the Mini in the first place.

[BuckoA51]

its really a shame that the mini doesnt have a seperate audio exit. when i connect my x360 via hdmi to the xrgb and go into a lcd monitor with a hdmi to dvi cable there will be no sound.
for my rgb based consoles i have a cinch connection, i dont know how to solve this with the xbox though. has anybody an idea?

One of these should do the trick for your 360 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Audio-Cable-Ada ... 005EDAFFS/

[Moonwalker]

Perfect! Thank you.