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Konsolkongen wrote: Glad to hear it, and sorry I was so slow to get back to you. So does the LED stay green when inputting 480p RGsB? :)
If it hadn't been for your confirmation of success with the 192, then I wouldn't have been up and running so fast mate. Thanks!!

On the 192 the LED was green all the time :-)
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I thought so. Just too damn lazy to power up the PS2 myself to check ;)
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hey, was hoping one of you guys could help me out before retro_console_accessories sells out of her cords again! my RGB modded unit is, according to the modder:
I use the THS7314 to amplify the RGB signals.
thing is, there's 2 for sale that'd work:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0948949594 - this is the SNES one i've been using and it's great, i interchange it with the 64 as needed & havent noticed any issues yet. however, she's also selling http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0948949377 this raw sync one with the following caveat in the description:
I have an RGB N64. Which SCART cable do I buy?
retro_console_accessories : Most N64s do not have sync connected, therefore to play it safe we advise people with such consoles to buy the non raw sync cables.
Please note we are not responsible in these cases for bad results with the cable as it will depend on how your RGB N64 was wired originally.
i don't know if i have "sync connected" so i just emailed my modder, as i'm not sure if his amp info applies. i emailed her too but she's not usually quick to respond, and again, hoping to sort this before they're gone...if i don't hear back in the next few hours before passing out i might just buy the one ive already got to be on the safe side, but what do you guys think? if the raw one would produce better results ("Outputs pure sync to your SCART to component or VGA. May also eliminate visual artifacts caused by using composite as sync in RGB enabled N64s"), it might be worth it?

edit: wait i'm already using http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micomsoft-XRGB- ... 257a1a92ce her XRGB sync booster SCART cable adapter thing, which mentions raw signals in the description, so shouldn't i be okay?
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the raw sync cable likely WON'T work. The cable uses an output pin on the SNES, which isn't connected on the N64.

You should make sure with your modder though if you can use a SNES RGB cable with caps inside. Many of the classic N64 mods require straight RGB cables (without caps and resistors).
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Fudoh wrote:the raw sync cable likely WON'T work. The cable uses an output pin on the SNES, which isn't connected on the N64.

You should make sure with your modder though if you can use a SNES RGB cable with caps inside. Many of the classic N64 mods require straight RGB cables (without caps and resistors).
i see - thanks for your reply! well, if ive interchanged the SNES RGB i have from her before & it's worked fine with the N64, should i be in the clear just buying another one of those? waiting to hear back from the modder but he's not quick to reply, either...
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Hello all,
I have a little strange situation for my setup :

Some month ago i have searched here for cables and scart switch unit. It's all for PAL systems.
So i have bought 2 RGB modded cables from Wolfsoft.de, in order to use for PS1 and PS2.
http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_inf ... mized.html

All connected to a scart switch Bandridge Premium.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0015YYN1W/r ... _M3T1_dp_1

Connected to the TV (RGB) via G&BL scart cable
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001 ... UTF8&psc=1

The problems are :
With the PS1 only black&white colors and PS2 simply no image ....

If someone can help me ... it will be great ! Thanks in advance
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The Wolfsoft cable uses luminance (from the s-video signal) for sync, so if your TV displays a b/w picture using a PS1, it means that it's running in video mode, not in RGB mode.

Do they work in RGB when directly connected to the TV ?

(Why are we discussing this in the Framemeister thread?)
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Fudoh wrote:The Wolfsoft cable uses luminance (from the s-video signal) for sync, so if your TV displays a b/w picture using a PS1, it means that it's running in video mode, not in RGB mode.

Do they work in RGB when directly connected to the TV ?

(Why are we discussing this in the Framemeister thread?)
Sorry for talking here, but it's on this thread that some peoples help me for selecting this cable ...
It's strange because my scart switch is full rgb compatible and it's connected to the right scart on my tv ....
:shock:
When i switch to the ps1, half a second appeared colors, but i can't understand why ...
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well - did you confirm that the G&BL cable is actually RGB ?
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Fudoh wrote:well - did you confirm that the G&BL cable is actually RGB ?
I think so :
http://www.gebl.net/en/item/296/
:?:
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my best guess: since the PS1/2 does output 12V for switching the original Sony RGB cables - at least some of them - have a voltage converter. I don't think that the Snakebyte cable have those, so your TV probably doesn't receive the right switching voltage to go into RGB mode.

As asked before: do they work when directly connected to the TV ?
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Fudoh wrote:my best guess: since the PS1/2 does output 12V for switching the original Sony RGB cables - at least some of them - have a voltage converter. I don't think that the Snakebyte cable have those, so your TV probably doesn't receive the right switching voltage to go into RGB mode.

As asked before: do they work when directly connected to the TV ?
Interesting, but like a idiot, i haven't tested before installing my setup. I will test it tomorow (GMT+1), because i need to cut all strap cables, and move all my bedroom for it :)
As you think will be the origin of my problems, what can i do? Maybe change my scart switch for a powered-one ?
Thanks :oops:
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well, you take a scart cable that works (from another system), measure the switching voltage present in the scart cable. Then you check the voltage in the PS1/2 cables and bring the voltage down to the same level by adding a resistor.

PS: some TVs (e.g. Sony CRTs) can be switched into RGB mode by hand. Not yours ?
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continuing with the sync stripper lm1881 yes or no

This afternoon I tried Playstation 1 with the sync stripper framemeister cable. It sounds but shows nothing. My Rgb Psx cable is a total crap tho.

Saturn worked with it.

Any advice? (i kept the non-lm1881, so no real problem here). Should the psx1 work with the Sync Stripper circuit?
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If you don't get a picture, even after adjusting the sync level, it's much more likely that you don't have a proper ground connection running from the console to the Mini... Check the cable and the adapter to see if grounds really connect.
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Hi all
My PAL snes I've modded for multi region and has a 60/50htz switch and PAL/NTSC switch.
Whenever I use the NTSC and 60htz, the picture breaks up and is fuzzy when using the PAL RGB scart cable and the xrgb-mini.
Using s-video direct to a TV it's fine
Any reason why this?
Would I need a NTSC RGB scart cable for this to work properly?
Thanks!
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Fudoh wrote:my best guess: since the PS1/2 does output 12V for switching the original Sony RGB cables - at least some of them - have a voltage converter. I don't think that the Snakebyte cable have those, so your TV probably doesn't receive the right switching voltage to go into RGB mode.

As asked before: do they work when directly connected to the TV ?
Hello,
Thanks for your help, i have just tested with modded cable directly to the tv, and still the same ?
With original cable, no problem.
I have searched in menu, but no option for RGB Mod or something like that.
My crt tv model is a Samsung WS-28W6VNG.
No luck :|
Ps : PS3 with the original rgb cable for ps1 connected to the scart-switch / tv, colors with clear image ....
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yes, the original cable has the proper voltage converter built in, so your TV gets a lower switching voltage on Pin 16.

Why did you even switch to the modded cable(s) ?
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Fudoh wrote:yes, the original cable has the proper voltage converter built in, so your TV gets a lower switching voltage on Pin 16.

Why did you even switch to the modded cable(s) ?
In order to get the best image result and clear details.
And it's about to have small things like that when i will need to buy a XRGB ... :)
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On the XRGB the cable will work anyway, because you don't need a switching voltage there. This a compatibility issue between the cable and your particular TV.
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Fudoh wrote:On the XRGB the cable will work anyway, because you don't need a switching voltage there. This a compatibility issue between the cable and your particular TV.
Haha WTH ! :evil: ii will call myself 'bad luck brian'.
So we cannot do anything for it ? Instead of buy another cable for ps2 and my ps1 ?
Because i really searched for image quality and RGB could be possible, or my tv is **** ?
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Ya, but i haven't the right knowledges for do such things and no equipment for soldering mesuring .... and it cost me 80€ for my modded cables :?
That's why. I'm still learning. But a scart switch with internal voltage switch could be possible to do the trick ?
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Then find somebody in your neighbourhood to do this for you. It's 2 minutes work and a 10 cent resistor.
But a scart switch with internal voltage switch could be possible to do the trick
I don't think there is such a thing.
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i know it's very quick to do but i really want to keep it under vanilla setup. (just cables) in order to use with the xrbg when i need one :D
so, if i buy gamester or alternative brand rgb cable it will work or does the internal clock will also get a problem ?
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You most likely won't need to change anything to the cable if using it with the XRGB. The XRGB doesn't care about the input switching pins, it just expects RGB which the cable already has.

So you only plan on using your new cable on the XRGB then you don't have to change a thing.
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Konsolkongen wrote:You most likely won't need to change anything to the cable if using it with the XRGB. The XRGB doesn't care about the input switching pins, it just expects RGB which the cable already has.

So you only plan on using your new cable on the XRGB then you don't have to change a thing.
Ok you have said to me that few post ago, great deal so only for using with xrgb. But, before using the xrgb, month or year ? I need to use all without it, so just buying few rgb cables will be able for me to play all my games ...
Can you confirm if rgb cables from alternatives brands will not have voltage problems with my setup ? Or i have not well (another time) understand it ?
Thx :wink:
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Can you confirm if rgb cables from alternatives brands will not have voltage problems with my setup
if the Snakebyte cable gives you problems, then I would expect MOST Playstation RGB cables to give you the same problems. They're more or less all the same when it comes to RGB blanking and switching voltages.
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Fudoh wrote:
Can you confirm if rgb cables from alternatives brands will not have voltage problems with my setup
if the Snakebyte cable gives you problems, then I would expect MOST Playstation RGB cables to give you the same problems. They're more or less all the same when it comes to RGB blanking and switching voltages.
That what i fear to hear :mrgreen:
There is not such conception-like official one in alternative brand that will work ? Because wolfsoft,'s ones are optimized, maybe it's only the optimisation that make the problem .... :cry: and official ps1 rgb cable work with no problems ...
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The optimization in wolfsoft's cables is that they use luminance (black & white signal) instead of composite video for RGB sync. On NTSC PS1/2 units this doesn't make a difference. On PAL units this helps to get rid of chroma patterns in solid colors.

The official Sony PS1 RGB cable, both the NTSC and the PAL one just use composite video.

The same mod can be done on the PS1/2 itself. It's just single pin bridged to another. After that you get the same results when using the official Sony RGB cables AND you get the proper switching voltage for RGB.
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