PS4 / Xbox One console war

[cools]

The sad thing for MS is, the basic business model under the Xbone has potential - it could have been the all-in-one entertainment content provider they wanted, but they clobbered it with unrealistic requirements, Kinect, and DRM. It's all too soon for that jazz.

Nah, it's timed perfectly, and the mainstream will lap it up.

[Skykid]

In other news, the Doritos Pope (Geoff Keighley) confirmed a few days ago that Spike TV will only stream Microsoft's E3 press conference, not Sony's. I bet that cost Microsoft a pretty penny.

Riveting stuff as usual mate, thanks for keeping everyone abreast of every conceivable development regarding next gen that occurs on planet earth. I already deleted most of my rss feeds as this is much quicker. It's also a good way to ensure this thread stays lodged permanently on top of the page until some actual news is reported.

[Friendly]

Seems others are waking up, too:
Eurogamer: Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile

[CloudyMusic]

In other news, the Doritos Pope (Geoff Keighley) confirmed a few days ago that Spike TV will only stream Microsoft's E3 press conference, not Sony's. I bet that cost Microsoft a pretty penny.

The fact that Microsoft's press conference is at 9:30 AM while Sony's is at 6 PM (9 PM Eastern) may also have something to do with it. Weekday morning timeslots aren't exactly an ad revenue goldmine for Spike.

[moh]

how often do you have to change the thread title..

[Mortificator]

The sad thing for MS is, the basic business model under the Xbone has potential - it could have been the all-in-one entertainment content provider they wanted, but they clobbered it with unrealistic requirements, Kinect, and DRM. It's all too soon for that jazz.

Nah, it's timed perfectly, and the mainstream will lap it up.

I have a bad feeling that might be the case. As stupid as these measures are, the executives at Microsoft probably wouldn't implement them without some expectation of success.

[Friendly]

how often do you have to change the thread title..

I've been wondering about that, too. It's like the perfect never ending shitstorm. More and increasingly terrible news every day.

[Skykid]

how often do you have to change the thread title..

I've been wondering about that, too. It's like the perfect never ending shitstorm. More and increasingly terrible news every day.

But can't the thread title just stay fixed. It's not like your earning revenue every time someone visits your threads, why are you so eager to bump/draw attention to them.

Hop into the Mega drive thread and talk about some games. Good times guaranteed.

[Udderdude]

I liked the TVTVTV title more >_>

[jepjepjep]

This is a dealbreaker for me on principle alone. I was at my parents house last weekend and I plugged in the NES that we got in 1985 and played some Life Force. What are the chances we'll be able to play anything on XBone in 25 years?

[njiska]

Pretty sure I've spent well over $10,000 on the Xbox 360.

fucking

HOW?

I own three consoles, a lot of peripherals, a lot of physical games, mostly bought at full price or in high end LEs, lots of digital purchases and 7 years of Xbox live. It's easy to spend this much when you have a regular flow of easily disposable income and really like a hobby. Plus I do have multiple consoles and a number of expensive perhpierals and LEs. Realistically I've had the console for 7.5 years. Spending averaging out to more than $100 a month doesn't surprise me.

I also really don't give a shit about resale. I buy games to own, to play and to keep. So nothing was on store credit, all was cash. Plus I'm in Canada so games were $70 minimum here for a while and consoles had a $100 mark up. $10,000 is by no means a 100% accurate number, it's just the result I came to after some quick math based on what I own and what I remember paying for it. Plus 7.5 years of Xbox live, many were paid month to month, not with yearly $50 memberships because I was lazy about renewal.

As for time, gaming was my primary hobby and I was single for a rather long time after a previous bad relationship. I was also writing a lot of reviews and what have you because I enjoyed it. Made it easier to find the time to play.

This kind of spending has sort of come to an end since I lost my last job and gained a lovely lady friend.

[Ed Oscuro]

Word, brother. I buy games to keep, too; I think this is a disagreement based on choices, and knowing your life history isn't going to sway my personal feeling that few games are worth full retail. I don't mean to be rude - I know if we chose a different topic there's be plenty of choices I've made that I wouldn't even bother to try to justify. Still, $10K in one system...yeah, what. I could spend over $10K on just a single camera lens, but I know I'd be able to get something back from it, both from use and from resale if it came to that.

The main thrust of my arguments was meant to be that it seems hard to believe that somebody is really getting value out of a huge library of games, like in some of the other examples I posted: 4-5 games a week?! Especially in the case where games are constantly being released, it's hard not to believe that people buy good games, then play them for about two minutes before moving on to something else. Even accepting that sustains a backlog - and the Dreamcast did die soon enough - that seems a bit out there. No, this doesn't make me feel superior or anything, especially in light of my own X68000 game- and system-buying habits.

But at least you have to admit I'm right to giggle when I read the phrase "high end LEs."

That reminds me, I have a bunch of plastic shit in boxes of various sizes that I need to flog over in the trading station sometime.

[njiska]

Word, brother. I buy games to keep, too; I think this is a disagreement based on choices, and knowing your life history isn't going to sway my personal feeling that few games are worth full retail. I don't mean to be rude - I know if we chose a different topic there's be plenty of choices I've made that I wouldn't even bother to try to justify. Still, $10K in one system...yeah, what. I could spend over $10K on just a single camera lens, but I know I'd be able to get something back from it, both from use and from resale if it came to that.

The main thrust of my arguments was meant to be that it seems hard to believe that somebody is really getting value out of a huge library of games, like in some of the other examples I posted: 4-5 games a week?! Especially in the case where games are constantly being released, it's hard not to believe that people buy good games, then play them for about two minutes before moving on to something else. Even accepting that sustains a backlog - and the Dreamcast did die soon enough - that seems a bit out there. No, this doesn't make me feel superior or anything, especially in light of my own X68000 game- and system-buying habits.

But at least you have to admit I'm right to giggle when I read the phrase "high end LEs."

That reminds me, I have a bunch of plastic shit in boxes of various sizes that I need to flog over in the trading station sometime.

No offense taken. And on the 4-5 games a week state ment, I'm usually not that active, unless the games are like 2-3 hour one shots. Think I normally averaged about 3-4 games a month over the past 7-8 years. Got to remember modern games are getting shorter and I don't do much MP. So give me a game that takes 8 hours to beat, and yeah, 2-3 days if I have nothing else to do.

[Stormwatch]

a lot of physical games, mostly bought at full price

[Lord Satori]

How Sony can win E3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGnnZMjSPBk

I don't get it. That video has next to no content.

[AntiFritz]

How Sony can win E3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGnnZMjSPBk

I don't get it. That video has next to no content.

That's the point.

[ciox]

Looks to me like the point is the sony guys acting as if they are recalling the entire XBone debacle with a smirk/laugh, like "man, where to even begin" and the audience figures it out and gets into it.
Maybe.

[Ed Oscuro]

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsof ... nts-2013-6

[Friendly]

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsof ... nts-2013-6

They seem to have an army of marketing drones; Microsoft is doing the same on other platforms and forums. See here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=579641

Instead of altering their product the way the public wants, they are trying to alter the public.

[Casey120]

Haven't seen it mentioned here: A few days ago, Shuhei Yoshida officially stated that PS4 won't have used-game DRM and that it is left to publishers

That's not really an answer and exactly what MS is telling us, it's left to the choice of the publishers, don't blame us !

But will they implement a system in the PS4 that give the publishers an opportunity to do do this the easy way like the Xbone has ?
Answer that SONY .

[Friendly]

Haven't seen it mentioned here: A few days ago, Shuhei Yoshida officially stated that PS4 won't have used-game DRM and that it is left to publishers

That's not really an answer and exactly what MS is telling us, it's left to the choice of the publishers, don't blame us !

But will they implement a system in the PS4 that give the publishers an opportunity to do do this the easy way like the Xbone has ?
Answer that SONY .

We'll find out sooner or later. But we already know that PS4 will not require to be online AT ALL to play. So a DRM system like Microsoft's isn't possible.

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, to be more precise, Sony isn't implementing a system that forces you to go online to play. But they haven't said that publishers can't implement such a system, as I've outlined before. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some games implement online passes.

[CMoon]

It's not like your earning revenue every time someone visits your threads

Anyone remember Sony's viral marketing in the past?

[Skykid]

^ I'm embarrassed by that typo. Fucking phone.

[Udderdude]

Who can forget this masterpiece of awkward unintentional comedy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G0LlXv-nyI

[Friendly]

Or, returning to the topic at hand, this unintentional comedy:

[Skykid]

Or, returning to the topic at hand, this unintentional comedy

My God man, don't you ever get bored singing the same flat, monotone note? I know I'm getting bored of listening to it.

Talk about something else perhaps?

[Cuilan]

Perhaps "is region-locked" should be added to the thread title:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=84

[Friendly]

Perhaps "is region-locked" should be added to the thread title:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=84

Why? This quote which we already discussed 3 months ago doesn't say it is.

[Friendly]

Good idea, if only we had other threads in this forum. We could then use those other threads to talk about other stuff.