The bridge from wife to retro games is built with tetriminos

Triaxis · Post by **Triaxis** » Wed May 22, 2013 10:05 pm

I was playing Super Mario 3 (featured in the hit movie the Wizard) on my Wii a few years ago and it was not as much fun as I remembered when i was a kid. Something was a bit off. Out of nostalgia i decided to dig out my old NES, a copy of Mario 3 and plug it into an old 13" sony CRT television. The picture quality was so vivid, and the controls were so incredibly tight compared to playing on my Wii and LCD (set to game mode by the way) that i could not stop playing for hours.

So began (much to the chagrin of my wife) my quest to rebuild my NES and SNES collection, and set up a retro gaming rig complete with CRT TV and all the games i loved as a child. Initially my wife scoffed at me, but when i got NES Tetris running you couldn't pry the controller out of her hand with a flat bar!

My theory as to why retro games are so awesome on original hardware is that there is no input lag. You are more connected with whats happening on screen. Almost like playing a musical instrument. (skin flute notwithstanding)

Modern game are made to be beaten, old school games were made to beat YOU! The challenge is greater but the satisfaction is massive. After 3 days of playing Super Mario Bros i finally committed regicide on king Koopa. I then jumped out of my seat demanding high five's from everyone in the room. Some felt this was inappropriate behavior at a wake, but i know my great aunt would have wanted it that way.

Are input lag and lack of challenge what make modern game less satisfying? Your thoughts.

(mod edit - moved to off topic)

antron · Post by **antron** » Thu May 23, 2013 12:47 am

1st post greatness.

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Thu May 23, 2013 12:54 am

your post doesn't even talk about polygons, I don't get it

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Thu May 23, 2013 12:58 am

Triaxis wrote:Wii and LCD

Plug that Wii to a good CRT, and try again.

RNGmaster · Post by **RNGmaster** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:06 am

VOXEL SUPREMACY

KAI · Post by **KAI** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:07 am

Gintama - Episode 167 - Smooth Polygons Smooth Men's Hearts Too
Watch it.

trap15 · Post by **trap15** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:11 am

Why the fuck is this forum being so asinine and awful these recent weeks/months. Holy fuck.

shmuppyLove · Post by **shmuppyLove** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:12 am

Super Mario is easy, play some Mega Man instead.

BareKnuckleRoo · Post by **BareKnuckleRoo** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:17 am

god hand is so easy, all those polygons

opt2not · Post by **opt2not** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:40 am

Also there's a difference between real-time rendering polygons, and pre-rendered polygons/paint-over sprites. Most cave games are the latter.
There are plenty of hard "meant-to-beat-you" 3D games out there that have a great meld of both 2 and 3D graphics.
So lets not get rid of poly's k? They have their place. It's the design you speak of that's the issue at hand.
How its rendered is completely trivial to how a game is played.

trap15 wrote:Why the fuck is this forum being so asinine and awful these recent weeks/months. Holy fuck.

I blame the Sony and Microsoft console release presentations. It's put everyone in a bad mood.

Triaxis · Post by **Triaxis** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:42 am

I have beat Mega Man 1, 2, and 3. Mega Man 1 is the hardest of the three i have played so far.

Mischief Maker · Post by **Mischief Maker** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:15 am

Triaxis wrote:I have beat Mega Man 1, 2, and 3. Mega Man 1 is the hardest of the three i have played so far.

I can't believe Arino of Gamcenter CX beat Megaman 1 but got his ass handed to him by Super Mario World! SMW is so much easier!

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:18 am

Triaxis wrote:I then jumped out of my seat demanding high five's from everyone in the room. Some felt this was inappropriate behavior at a wake, but i know my great aunt would have wanted it that way.

This has to be someone's troll account.

Moniker · Post by **Moniker** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:18 am

I wish my anus would be gone.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:21 am

Moniker wrote:I wish my anus would be gone.

What are you gonna do without your ass?

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:34 am

As a serious remark on the topic's title, I kind of wish there was a game system in the early 90s that could do Sega's Super-Scaler games justice. Crazy impressive the kind of 3D effects they pulled off with purely sprite graphics. Still has a very stylish flair to it today. Aged much better than mid-90s polygon graphics.

By the time the Saturn and 32X came out, it was too late, the public had moved towards fully polygonal gaming.

Moniker · Post by **Moniker** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:36 am

CMoon wrote:
Moniker wrote:I wish my anus would be gone.
What are you gonna do without your ass?

For starters, it'd be one less place to look for my car keys.

BryanM · Post by **BryanM** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:49 am

Mischief Maker wrote:I can't believe Arino of Gamcenter CX beat Megaman 1 but got his ass handed to him by Super Mario World! SMW is so much easier!

I thought he managed it in a rematch?

But yah I wonder how much of it is pretending to suck. Even if this is ALL the gaming he does, you'd have to be a little competent ne?

Raytrace · Post by **Raytrace** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:50 am

RNGmaster wrote:VOXEL SUPREMACY

Comanche CD > *

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Thu May 23, 2013 3:04 am

BryanM wrote:
Mischief Maker wrote:I can't believe Arino of Gamcenter CX beat Megaman 1 but got his ass handed to him by Super Mario World! SMW is so much easier!
I thought he managed it in a rematch?

But yah I wonder how much of it is pretending to suck. Even if this is ALL the gaming he does, you'd have to be a little competent ne?

Yeah, it does bug me a bit. Then again, lots of it is just playing through a game until he memorizes the sections and has occasional bouts of godly luck after dozens of tries when he encounters something that he simply isn't skilled enough to deal with.

Didn't he run out of time in the day on the [first? didn't see the rematch] SMW challenge, or did he give up? Been a while since I've seen that episode.

MOSQUITO FIGHTER · Post by **MOSQUITO FIGHTER** » Thu May 23, 2013 3:44 am

POOF!

Hey where'd mah polygons go?

antron · Post by **antron** » Thu May 23, 2013 3:51 am

This thread addresses two in the chat section. R-type delta looks like shit, and lag is why ports > emulation.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu May 23, 2013 4:26 am

Triaxis wrote:I was playing Super Mario 3 (featured in the hit movie the Wizard)

Oh THAT'S what that game was!

Despatche · Post by **Despatche** » Thu May 23, 2013 8:41 am

offtopic but

oh wait there is no topic whoops sorry

polygon-based playstation sequels tend to be harder than their predecessors

r-type delta, raystorm and raycrisis, g-darius... all much harder

ciox · Post by **ciox** » Thu May 23, 2013 9:14 am

No, polygons are in all the cool 2000s shmups that I like, not to even mention other genres.
Though this reminds me of the old demoscene adage: "choose zero polys and shaders".

ShmupSamurai · Post by **ShmupSamurai** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:16 am

Wow...I'm amazed this topic hasn't gotten locked yet.

As much as I am a sucker for great spritework, there's still plenty of grade-A games that use polygons, shmups included. You just gotta know where to dig- We need only to look at TF V, Ikaruga, Gradius V, God Hand, Rising Zan, Super Mario 64, Starfox, StarGlider 2, and Panzer Dragoon for proof.

shmuppyLove · Post by **shmuppyLove** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:22 am

Vectors are where it's at, like woah

KAI · Post by **KAI** » Fri May 24, 2013 3:05 am

BTW, Setsuna from Eretzvaju was my first Polygon love

Polygon panties <3

AweOfShe · Post by **AweOfShe** » Fri May 24, 2013 4:22 am

KAI wrote:BTW, Setsuna from Eretzvaju was my first Polygon love

Polygon panties <3

Setsuna >>> Everyone else in that game.

ED-057 · Post by **ED-057** » Fri May 24, 2013 5:28 am

Are input lag and lack of challenge what make modern game less satisfying? Your thoughts.

Those, but also the DRM. And the boring filler. And online social crap. And high prices. And shitty UIs. And lack of quality control (bugs). And the high electricity consumption. And the derps who inhabit gaming related forums. (Shmups farm is like Mensa compared to most gaming forums. Seriously.)

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