XRGB-mini Framemeister

[marqs]

Image retention like this on a LCD screen is terrible hardware design. Did you contact Eizo about this ?

My first ever 32" LCD Samsung TV developed this retention problem after about 3 1/2 years, not sure what cause the problem to start however!?

Yeah, it should take quite a long time for image retention to show up on LCDs (projector panels not included), so your unit is probably faulty. I've been using my FS2333 for 6 months without any retention issues.

[Hamburglar]

Hey guys. I checked all the menus and couldn't figure this out. Is there any way that when using s-video in the XRGB Mini to tell the unit to use the RCA audio ports on the back rather than the ones on the front?

[Fudoh]

no, not yet.

[Hamburglar]

no, not yet.

Okay thanks for letting me know!

[RGB32E]

TIR happens on my almost 4 year old XBR8. Play TA for an hour or two and it will take a couple of hours and its gone. TIR is easier to get as the TV ages. The easiest cure is to just turn the display for a while.

[NWrain]

Image retention like this on a LCD screen is terrible hardware design. Did you contact Eizo about this ?

I did, I was told to put a white screen to make the image persistence go away.

That must be a plasma surely? That looks like what my old Hitachi used to do. I let my mum play Hexic HD while I was at work, I came back and there was a honeycomb grid burned into my screen for about a week

It's an IPS based LCD display. I was really surprised this happened.

[geekmiki]

Hi,

I just tested my Megadrive on the Framemeister and curiously it's the only console that presents some artefacts:



I understand that the artefacts are only present on the part of the image that is supposed to be covered by a CRT's overscan, but is there a way to get rid of these on the FM?
Or is it a cable problem (using RGB SCART at the moment).

Thank you in advance for your help!

[Fudoh]

there's no masking function, so you can only try to shift the image down on the Mini (will likely not work) or use the overscan function on your TV set.

[NWrain]

On a widescreen display, will the overscan function help with the left and right blue borders?

[Fudoh]

no, overscan is applied to the outer edge of the image, not the 4:3 borders.

[geekmiki]

there's no masking function, so you can only try to shift the image down on the Mini (will likely not work) or use the overscan function on your TV set.

So are these artefacts a "normal behaviour" on some systems?
It's not disturbing as it doesn't affect the gameplay area, but it doesn't look clean, which kind of disturbs me

[Fudoh]

Mega Drive on the bottom and NES/Famicom on the sides. Should be the only two systems with "garbage" in the overscan area.

[BuckoA51]

The C64 has this weird vertical line on the left of its S-Video output too. Sticks out like a sore thumb on modern widescreen sets of course.

[Konsolkongen]

Hi,

I just tested my Megadrive on the Framemeister and curiously it's the only console that presents some artefacts:



I understand that the artefacts are only present on the part of the image that is supposed to be covered by a CRT's overscan, but is there a way to get rid of these on the FM?
Or is it a cable problem (using RGB SCART at the moment).

Thank you in advance for your help!

You should turn down the sharpness on your TV. That picture looks awful IMO :/ I believe the white hard edges you see around objects are caused by the sharpness being too high on your TV. On some models you'll have to set it at 50% but on others you have to set it close to, or exactly at 0.

[RGB32E]

One of the retro modes will mask some of the Genesis under scan garbage.

[Konsolkongen]

Isn't it overscan technically?

[BuckoA51]

Just to report, using an Extron RGB interface to convert from the PS2's RGsB to RGBC for the mini does not work. I tried PS2->Sync Strike->Extron RGB->Mini (RGBS). No input on the mini whatsoever. On the DVDO Edge it saw the picture as component video with a weird tint to the screen. Sync wire out of the Extron didn't appear to be sending anything, but turning sync on green off on the Extron gave no picture on the DVDO either, so it looks like the Extrons don't convert from SOG to csync sadly.

[Fudoh]

using an Extron RGB interface to convert from the PS2's RGsB to RGBC for the mini does not work

it works and since the sync line of the cable isn't used anyway, you don't even need a sync strike. Which interface did you use ? One with a C-Sync switch or one with a dedicated c-sync output connector ? I found some inconsistency among the interfaces and you might want to try another sync output connector, even if you usually safely assume that it's the wrong one.

For the DVDO, they don't work with 31khz RGBs, so you'd have to go RGBHV. The SoG dip on the Extron is for the output, not for the input selection.

[BuckoA51]

it works and since the sync line of the cable isn't used anyway, you don't even need a sync strike.

Did not work for me at all, I tried everything... Okay I think we've got some wires crossed here (literally and figuratively, perhaps). I want to feed in RGsB and get out RGBC. How can the sync output not be needed in that case?

Which interface did you use ? One with a C-Sync switch or one with a dedicated c-sync output connector ?

The 203 Rxi, with a dedicated c-sync output connector.

For the DVDO, they don't work with 31khz RGBs, so you'd have to go RGBHV.

My Edge works fine with 31khz RGBs. Anyway, I was trying 15khz RGBs (480i on the PS2's menu) the same as SCART raw sync theoretically at the time.

The SoG dip on the Extron is for the output, not for the input selection.

Are you certain? With this off, I got no picture whatsoever, with it on, I at least got a picture that was the wrong colour on the Edge (and just "no signal" on the mini regardless of setting).

[Fudoh]

Are you certain?

100%. If you enable the SoG dip, RGBHV and RGBs are disabled and instead you get RGsB output. I use this to convert RGBHV to RGsB for my CII - also through a 203rxi.

How can the sync output not be needed in that case?

sometimes you can use one of the other two sync output pins instead. I've heard from other users who wanted RGBs and successfully used the V-Sync output connector instead.... Don't ask me why.

[BuckoA51]

I will give it a try at a later date then. You say it works without the Sync Strike, so the PS2 outputs RGsB even in 15khz modes?

[Mulletizer]

Hello! I have been lurking this thread for a while, and cannot seem to find the answer to my problem. I have a framemeister with a hama AV-100S scart switch, an 1chip snes, model 2 genesis, ps1, ps2. I have both the Micomsoft XRGB Mini Sync booster for Euro SCART to XRGB Mini 8 pin (retro_console_accessories) and the retro gaming cables adapter with the sync stripper. Everything works great except for the damn genesis when hooked up to the scart switch. For the genesis I am using the retro_console_accessories 32X RGB SCART cable with boosted sync. Hooked up directly to the mini the genesis works fine with either adapter cable, but connected to the scart it appears it will not hold sync, picture is off center, shakey, and fades away. I have tried manually setting the sync on the mini, but it does not like any of the settings. I ordered a new scart to go between the hamas and the mini adapter (Profigold cable which compared to the previous one is pretty damn hefty), but still no luck. I also tried another model 2 genesis i found at a thrift store along with a different power adapter, but same result.

So that leaves me thinking it is either the model 2 genesis or the scart switch. Would getting a 32x maybe solve that problem? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks!

[Fudoh]

so the PS2 outputs RGsB even in 15khz modes?

no, 31khz only of course, but let's focus on that for the moment....

[theclaw]

Hello! I have been lurking this thread for a while, and cannot seem to find the answer to my problem. I have a framemeister with a hama AV-100S scart switch, an 1chip snes, model 2 genesis, ps1, ps2. I have both the Micomsoft XRGB Mini Sync booster for Euro SCART to XRGB Mini 8 pin (retro_console_accessories) and the retro gaming cables adapter with the sync stripper. Everything works great except for the damn genesis when hooked up to the scart switch. For the genesis I am using the retro_console_accessories 32X RGB SCART cable with boosted sync. Hooked up directly to the mini the genesis works fine with either adapter cable, but connected to the scart it appears it will not hold sync, picture is off center, shakey, and fades away. I have tried manually setting the sync on the mini, but it does not like any of the settings. I ordered a new scart to go between the hamas and the mini adapter (Profigold cable which compared to the previous one is pretty damn hefty), but still no luck. I also tried another model 2 genesis i found at a thrift store along with a different power adapter, but same result.

So that leaves me thinking it is either the model 2 genesis or the scart switch. Would getting a 32x maybe solve that problem? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks!

It would seem genesis video is stronger than average. Some switch boxes don't like it when the colors get overly saturated or something.
Have you tried Sonic 3?

[papa_november]

For those of you that haven't noticed, forum user plc268 has been selling English overlays for the Framemeister remote over in the Trading section.

[Overkill]

Pity is not from Europe

[ZellSF]

Pity is not from Europe

Why is that a problem? He's charging a dollar for international shipping.

[lettuce]

Pity is not from Europe

Why is that a problem? He's charging a dollar for international shipping.

Bit off topic, but what the hell has happened to international shipping on eBay (from US to UK...and maybe Europe)?, it never used to be as high as it is nowadays

[Mulletizer]

It would seem genesis video is stronger than average. Some switch boxes don't like it when the colors get overly saturated or something.
Have you tried Sonic 3?

Unfortunately I do not have Sonic 3, but I have tried 10 different games, all with the same result. Before I had the mini, I was using the scart to component adapter, with the same switch no problem. Do you think getting a 32x would solve that issue with the genesis?

Here is a couple videos of the offending genesis (with some daft punk background music for your listening pleasure) ->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atX4UsTGB-g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0OicUE767s

[plc268]

Pity is not from Europe

Why is that a problem? He's charging a dollar for international shipping.

Bit off topic, but what the hell has happened to international shipping on eBay (from US to UK...and maybe Europe)?, it never used to be as high as it is nowadays

USPS has been bleeding money left and right, so they decided to jack up the rates for international parcels. It's still reasonable for letter sized stuff, but it starts to get pricey rather quickly.