Gamecube games on the Nintendo Wii

[AntiFritz]

Quick threadnapping - maybe one of the Wii users here can help me out with an answer: do Mario Kart GP1 & 2 (the two arcade games), when run on the Wii, support 480p and Gamecube wheels ?

I'm not aware that you can run triforce games on the wii at all (even soft modded). I think dolphin supports them though.

[ZellSF]

You can. Mario Kart GP 1 +2 through quadforce. F-Zero AX through, well, it's actually included on the GX disc you just need a cheat program to unlock it.

Not really worth bothering with IMO, since quadforce needs its own MIOS, so you can't use DIOS MIOS at the same time, so you'll have to setup virtual nands to switch between if you want to use both and ugh...

[Fudoh]

I know, but I'd be willing to just buy a lose 2nd hand Wii for those two. If somebody ever tried, it would be great to learn if they support 480p and wheels. Missing wheel support would be no dealbreaker, but missing 480p would be.

[brownvim]

I might check the arcade version out, I remember seeing it at an arcade near me but never got a chance to play it.

Have you played Mario kart wii through dolphin emulator at 1080p with AA? Gosh it looks amazing!

[Fudoh]

it certainly does, but I don't want a dedicated PC running next to my consoles.

[BuckoA51]

Mario Kart Arcade? Can be run on a Wii? Like Fudoh I'd be willing to have a Wii set up just for this, especially considering how cheap they are second hand now.

Wii softmods are at damn near 100% compatibility, I can't think of a single game with problem.

Hold on a second, this applies to Gamecube games? Wii hard drive loading of Gamecube games is near 100% compatibility? Are you certain? That's improved a lot since I looked into it.

Have you played Mario kart wii through dolphin emulator at 1080p with AA? Gosh it looks amazing!

Has a lot of issues though (no online, weird blue box, ghosts de-synced) I'd rather have the standard Wii graphics but smoother experience.

[brownvim]

Has a lot of issues though (no online, weird blue box, ghosts de-synced) I'd rather have the standard Wii graphics but smoother experience.

Plays great for me, not seen any blue boxes? but then I'm just a casual player of it...

[BuckoA51]

See http://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?t ... o_Kart_Wii

They could have fixed it and the wiki might be out of date though. Can't run Dolphin at the moment as my PC is without a graphics card until the warranty replacement arrives.

Like Fudoh I'd be willing to have a Wii set up just for this, especially considering how cheap they are second hand now.

Then again, there'd be no way to play multiplayer, so kinda pointless... meh never mind.

[ZellSF]

Wii softmods are at damn near 100% compatibility, I can't think of a single game with problem.

Hold on a second, this applies to Gamecube games? Wii hard drive loading of Gamecube games is near 100% compatibility? Are you certain? That's improved a lot since I looked into it.

DIOS MIOS compatibility list
Devolution compatibility list (requires legit discs for verification)

Between those two mostly everything is covered, and even if you have no legit discs then DIOS MIOS have most of the important games covered.

[Endymion]

I can't believe anybody thinks the difference in quality between the Wii and Cube is minimal. I can't believe it's due to HDTV processing either. I've got two plasma monitors that can eliminate any possibility of signal processing and the fuzz is still there. It is using an extension of the same hardware, but it is obviously implemented differently. This is probably due to the video chip (the encoder, not the GPU) difference between the two, the Cube having it in its cable and the Wii having it built in. You don't have this kind of problem with Wii games, just the Cube ones, that means something in the chain is different with the Wii.

Of course if you really want a better image you'll just use Dolphin anyway, but...

[Fudoh]

I agree, the Cube's 480p quality is quite a bit better than the Wii's, then unfortunately the Cube's 480p quality isn't great either. Absolutely no match to 480p from a 360 or a PS2.

[BuckoA51]

I've found the Gamecube's component to be reasonable, but then I am only really comparing it to the PS2. I've found the Wii's to be generally terrible, I don't know if it's worse on launch models but I can't get it looking anything but a fuzzy mess on the Mini or the Optoma, only thing that seems to work for me is transcoding to VGA then stuffing it through my DVDO Edge.

Dolphin is VERY hit and miss with compatibility too.

[Fudoh]

agreed, Wii on DVDO is the least-horrid solution. By the way, I think I asked this before: "only thing that seems to work for me is transcoding to VGA then stuffing it through my DVDO Edge." - first transcoded to VGA really better than direct 480p component into the DVDO ?

[BuckoA51]

Yeah, seems to be a little sharper, seems like a lot of processors soften the component picture but not the VGA one.

Really should try Wii->Transcoder->Optoma too.

[Fudoh]

I'm actually running Wii > component to HDMI converter > DVDO. Makes it easier to distribute the signal and I don't run into blackouts when using 480i-only titles. VGA and HDMI processing on the DVDOs should be identical.

[synth79]

I can't believe anybody thinks the difference in quality between the Wii and Cube is minimal. I can't believe it's due to HDTV processing either. I've got two plasma monitors that can eliminate any possibility of signal processing and the fuzz is still there. It is using an extension of the same hardware, but it is obviously implemented differently. This is probably due to the video chip (the encoder, not the GPU) difference between the two, the Cube having it in its cable and the Wii having it built in. You don't have this kind of problem with Wii games, just the Cube ones, that means something in the chain is different with the Wii.

Of course if you really want a better image you'll just use Dolphin anyway, but...

THIS:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/game-cube-compo ... 1e79df6998


THIS:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NINTENDO-GAMECU ... 1e79e52caf

THIS:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Official-COMPON ... 257cebc219


Minimal, unless you want to spend $180 getting a cube going right... ie. $130 for the cable $50 for a tidy cube? Remember it has to have the Digital out too, though actually not too hard to find!!

But, you could be well on your way to owning a Wii U or even better, an XBOX 360 or PS3!! The cube is just superior though. Yes. The Wii component out is weak. The Wii has just been one big piece of shit since it came out really eh? But somehow I don't really mind how cube games look on it. I actually thought it did cube games better than it does its own Wii games. Least with sunshine in 480p looking quite sharp vs the blurry wii menu! Could it be because the menu is all white? Like a snow storm? It is very blurry compared to the games I think.

I will be getting another gamecube cable eventually no doubt though as mine is in Scotland, so I will test again to be extra sure. But will it have been worth the money? hmm..... to me yes... to a lot of people no.. probably not. But I see where you're coming from. Hard to recommend if you have an old wii sitting about already. ...Just add a gamecube controller and memory card and you're done... Unless you have a dol-001 cube already as well, in which case spend the $130 on the cable...seriously.

For a lot of people, I bet the wii via component into an LCD screen is fine. If you're like us and fussy as fuck (upscalers etc), then not so much eh. Though I think my tv does ok on its own with mario sunshine in 480p. Compared to resident evil 4 on the ps2 in 480p which looks fugly on my tv as standard imo, I think the style of graphics of ps2 games just suit scanlines better. I think the more cartoony cube games look alright on a standard lcd but it's all subjective isn't it? I guess.


Basically I agree though, and perhaps MINIMAL was a bad choice of word. I would shell out for the cable. But at least adding a gamecube controller to a wii MINIMISEs the crapness/paperweight factor of the wii. ..bang for buck. I think that is what I was getting at. I just love that they included the gamecube hardware in it. It's like they knew the Wii would suck!! Though I do like the Frisbee game in Wii Sports, and of course the Mario games, Zelda, Metroid, the usual suspects here, no surprises, not really that many good games in my opinion. But it's saving grace is/was that it's a (hidden) gamecube. If it wasn't for that fact I would have a hard time giving it space on the power strip tbh. Real Gamecube wins any day...

And as for dolphin, I CAN'T BELIEVE you would actually pass up real hardware to play games on emulators instead of just using them to evaluate games. like I do. /sarcasm

[BuckoA51]

Makes it easier to distribute the signal and I don't run into blackouts when using 480i-only titles.

Never encountered any blackouts personally, what causes that?

[Fudoh]

Does the Edge accept 15khz through RGBHV ? My 50Pro doesn't. The RGBHV BNC input is only for 31khz signals and higher.

[ZellSF]

I can't believe anybody thinks the difference in quality between the Wii and Cube is minimal. I can't believe it's due to HDTV processing either. I've got two plasma monitors that can eliminate any possibility of signal processing and the fuzz is still there. It is using an extension of the same hardware, but it is obviously implemented differently. This is probably due to the video chip (the encoder, not the GPU) difference between the two, the Cube having it in its cable and the Wii having it built in. You don't have this kind of problem with Wii games, just the Cube ones, that means something in the chain is different with the Wii.

Of course if you really want a better image you'll just use Dolphin anyway, but...

Minimal, unless you want to spend $180 getting a cube going right... ie. $130 for the cable $50 for a tidy cube? Remember it has to have the Digital out too, though actually not too hard to find!!

And you'll have to throw more money at it if you want to play imports, probably even more if you want some form of HDD loading. In the end you could probably get three Wii setups for the price of one Gamecube setup...

[brownvim]

I missed out on the GameCube, I had a fat PS2 at the time and was addicted to it. I ended up getting the HDloader when it came out and was playing games non stop.

Only this week have I found out that the resident evil series was better on it and also the remake of metal gear solid 1 on the GameCube was alot better. I just remember it then as a kids system that none of my mates had or even talked about.

I'm gonna pick up a GameCube pad and memory card, I could get the whole system which was what my 1st post was about but the only advantages I see are better component picture which makes the price too high, especially when I have a fully hacked Wii on hand with scart and component cables ready to go.

When I have the money I will end up getting the component cable as I will probably get the framemeister too but for now the Wii will do. A habit of mine is wanting the best I can get but I gotta hold out on this one for abit.

Thanks for all the informative posts.

[BuckoA51]

Does the Edge accept 15khz through RGBHV ? My 50Pro doesn't. The RGBHV BNC input is only for 31khz signals and higher.

If you feed it raw sync and jump through a few hoops, yes, this was discussed at length on the DVDO Edge thread a while back. I don't know if it works on the Edge Green.