XRGB-mini Framemeister

[arcadeswede]

I'm having a problem with the framemeister!
I have a PAL NES, SNES and I'm trying to hook it up with COMPOSITE through a SCART SHIFTER which then goes out to a SCART CABLE that connects to the RGB-DIN8 adapter and into the framemeister RGB IN.

So my setup looks like this:

NES/SNES > SCART SHIFTER > REGULAR SCART CABLE > RGB-DIN8 adapter > RGB IN (on the framemeister)

I can't get a picture? I hear the sound of the game but screen is black. Stutters some time but no picture.
I pulled it out so I didn't fry the thing but now I'm not really sure if I rewired the RGB-DIN8 adapter correctly?
Or does the RGB IN even support composite? The RGB cables are on they're way but I thought it would work with composite through the RGB IN??

Does anybody have a really good rewiring schedule for the JAP scart to EU scart so I can check my connections.

I've already looked at this one: http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id= ... amemeister
But that doesnt really show me how to rewire in the SCART socket.

Can someone please help me out? I'm so confused

[Fudoh]

I pulled it out so I didn't fry the thing but now I'm not really sure if I rewired the RGB-DIN8 adapter correctly?

why don't you just try a direct connection from the console into your adapter ?

Or does the RGB IN even support composite?

no, it does not.

Does anybody have a really good rewiring schedule for the JAP scart to EU scart so I can check my connections.

http://playoffline.wordpress.com/cable/jpn21pinrgb/

[arcadeswede]

Or does the RGB IN even support composite?

no, it does not.

So that must be the problem. I can't get composite signal working on the RGB IN? Correct?

[Fudoh]

right

[darcagn]

Why not just plug it directly into the composite port on the front of the Framemeister?

Better yet, why not just spend the 12GBP and get a real RGB SCART cable?

[gundamalpha]

Is there any way possible to hook up the DC to mini through VGA without adding any more device in between? Don't really understand fudoh's statement saying now the 8 pin port supports 31hz signal due to my incompetence.

[NWrain]

You need to make or commission a VGA to 8pin adapter. The Framemeister can accept the Dreamcast 31khz signal on the RGB input.

For the time being I just transcode things to component.

[gundamalpha]

Something like this would work after some alterations (if needed)?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/S-Video-8-Pi ... 1225wt_689

[Fudoh]

You can't know what pinout this cable is following. For VGA you also need a sync combiner circuit installed in the cable.

[Smashbro29]

I'm using the SCART to mini din from retro console accessories (which is down) I'm getting great video but there's some audio noise if I put the mini's volume any higher than about 15-16. It's not an issue at all but should I be concerned? Does that mean something is going wrong in there?

[Konsolkongen]

I recently bought a boxed Super Famicom. It's a Hong Kong release, so the box is different than a normal Super Famicom box. Other than that it looks similar to a normal SFC. It's one of the old 2CHIP models so I know it's not supposed to look sharp, but this one looks quite bad

It has very noticeable shadows to the right of all objects. Much more than any 2CHIP I have previously seen:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/ ... 20cd0c.jpg

I tried all kinds of resistors and capacitors in the cable, but nothing changes. Anyone know if there's anything I can do to improve it?
I have a 1CHIP already, with a super sharp image, but the vertical line and ghosting looks really bad.

[BuckoA51]

As far as I understand it should help reduce blackouts. But it makes no difference on eiher Panasonic or Samsung plasmas as far as I can tell.

I could be way off the mark on this but I was lead to believe that turning on Hotplug causes an extra set of handshaking (HDCP reauthentication) to occur each time the mini connects, supposedly this can help on equipment where the HDMI handshake fails (and you're left with a totally blank screen and/or no audio) when changing channels or something like that. If anything that would make the black screens last longer. I think the whole black screen thing is a fault with HDMI itself and you can't really cure it...

...but again, I may have completely misunderstood.

[Fudoh]

Whatever it does or how it works, I'm pretty sure that it's only important when you use HDMI (or even HDCP) sources with the Mini. Seems to be similar on other processors where the number of hand shakes can be reduced by keeping an source active, even when the input is switched.

[darcagn]

I recently bought a boxed Super Famicom. It's a Hong Kong release, so the box is different than a normal Super Famicom box. Other than that it looks similar to a normal SFC. It's one of the old 2CHIP models so I know it's not supposed to look sharp, but this one looks quite bad

It has very noticeable shadows to the right of all objects. Much more than any 2CHIP I have previously seen:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/ ... 20cd0c.jpg

I tried all kinds of resistors and capacitors in the cable, but nothing changes. Anyone know if there's anything I can do to improve it?
I have a 1CHIP already, with a super sharp image, but the vertical line and ghosting looks really bad.

There's really going to be nothing you can do to remove shadows from objects. It's a problem with the source of the signal, not the signal itself, as I understand it. What model is it? "2CHIP" doesn't exist, there are a few other models ("RGB," "GPM," "SHVC," "1CHIP," etc.) but not a "2CHIP."

I personally just bought a SNS-CPU-1CHIP-03 revision SNES, and it looks amazing. No vertical bars, no shadows. Just pure crisp picture. Through the Framemeister, it looks breathtaking.

[NWrain]

I have a 1chip-03 too, and I agree it is excellent through the Framemeister.

[Konsolkongen]

By "2CHIP" I meant the older models with two separate PPUs

It's a SNS-CPU-GPM-02.

I haven't seen any SNES console that looks anything near perfect yet That includes a few 1CHIP's, a SNES Mini and few older kinds. I think Fudoh has a 1CHIP-03 too and said it's about as good as it gets. But the problem is finding one of those...

[darcagn]

By "2CHIP" I meant the older models with two separate PPUs

It's a SNS-CPU-GPM-02.

I haven't seen any SNES console that looks anything near perfect yet That includes a few 1CHIP's, a SNES Mini and few older kinds. I think Fudoh has a 1CHIP-03 too and said it's about as good as it gets.

The 1CHIP I purchased replaced the GPM model I had since I was a child. I had pretty much the same looking output, with the shadows. I don't know if the darkness in your pic was from the pic or not, though, because mine wasn't that dark.

But the problem is finding one of those...

Luckily I found one on eBay specifically advertised as a 1CHIP-03. The seller had even modified it already for composite sync output instead of composite video. It was sold console-only, no cables or controllers for $80. That's expensive for an SNES, and I could have done the modification myself, but it was worth it to me to not have to hunt down one by asking people for serial numbers, buying consoles just to see which one I got, etc.

[Seraphic]

Luckily I found one on eBay specifically advertised as a 1CHIP-03.

I saw that one on eBay too. There was in fact two on ebay.
An unmodified 03 and the modified 03 with sync one you purchased.

From what I understand, the picture varies from SNES console to SNES console.
But has anyone ever compared the picture of North American Model 1 SNES consoles?
1Chip-01 vs 1Chip-02 vs 1Chip-03?

[RGB32E]

I have a 1CHIP-01 & 1CHIP-02. I prefer the 1CHIP-01, but its a UN6, and not a UN3 like my -02. I haven't come across a -03 locally yet. I've tried Cv, Y, and S with the -01 on the mini and didnt notice any benefit from using Y or CSYNC over the default Cv.

[eightbitminiboss]

Another XRGB Mini owner in another forum I frequent hooked me up with this neato translated remote control overlay he's been working on.

Linked for huge

[darcagn]

I've memorized most of the relevant buttons on the remote by this point, but still.... do want.

[pyrotek85]

Yea I wouldn't mind printing up one of those, or buying one if he/she sells them.

[NWrain]

Here are some examples of 1Chip-03 goodness through the Framemeister (FW 1.07A) on my HDTV. I get sharper results on my computer monitor, but I have no complaints playing on my HDTV. I used the official Super Famicom JP21 cable with the XRGB.

[NWrain]

Here are some pics of a SNES SNS-CPU-GPM-02 revision through the Framemeister. I used the same setting on the Framemeister, and TV. I get shadows on the GPM-02, but they may be hard to see in my pictures. The color, vibrancy, and sharpness aren't quite as good a 1chip. Even though it isn't as good as a 1 chip, I still think it looks serviceable through the Framemeister.

Both SNES units are NTSC consoles.





I tired to capture the shadow effect to the right of Mario in this picture.

[Seraphic]

The 03 looks nicer (to me anyway) based on those pictures.
Was your 03 modified to output composite sync?

[CandyFace]

Would anyone be able to tell me if this power supply would work with the Framemeister since it would be cheaper and much nicer than having a voltage stepper.

http://www.av-cables.dk/ac-dc-adapter/u ... 50-ma.html

i know the plugs fits but I'm worried about the voltage.

[pyrotek85]

Would anyone be able to tell me if this power supply would work with the Framemeister since it would be cheaper and much nicer than having a voltage stepper.

http://www.av-cables.dk/ac-dc-adapter/u ... 50-ma.html

i know the plugs fits but I'm worried about the voltage.

As long as it's 5V DC it should work (assuming polarity is correct). The official adapter I have says it's 2.3A, that one is slightly less so I'm not positive if it's enough. Maybe someone else who's using a different adapter can chime in. The amperage can be over without hurting it, it'll only draw what it needs.

[CandyFace]

Would anyone be able to tell me if this power supply would work with the Framemeister since it would be cheaper and much nicer than having a voltage stepper.

http://www.av-cables.dk/ac-dc-adapter/u ... 50-ma.html

i know the plugs fits but I'm worried about the voltage.

As long as it's 5V DC it should work (assuming polarity is correct). The official adapter I have says it's 2.3A, that one is slightly less so I'm not positive if it's enough. Maybe someone else who's using a different adapter can chime in. The amperage can be over without hurting it, it'll only draw what it needs.

Then i should be okay, i took example from a website with a guy showing an adapter he was using and i wanted to find a pretty much identical one locally. That one was also at 2.25mA so it should work, but if anyone else has input on this, please speak

[Shining]

Wait, i thought it had been confirmed that there are no difference in image quality between the US 1CHIP's(01-03)? I'm satisfied as can be with my 01, but you guys are giving me ideas..

[NWrain]

The 03 looks nicer (to me anyway) based on those pictures.
Was your 03 modified to output composite sync?

It is unmodified. This unit is composite video for sync only.