XRGB-mini Framemeister

[jdubs]

the scanlines look fine with the exception of every 30th (maybe 40th or 50th...didn't feel like counting) where the scanlines seem to double. This is with 720p output.

same with NG AES. You have to adjust the V_WIDTH setting.

Furthermore, what does "Master - As Game1 but with scanlines (obsolete since scanlines can now be used any time)." in the Wiki mean? How do you turn on scanlines with other modes?

by pressing the C button.

Bingo. So folks know...34 for the V_WIDTH setting seems pretty ideal for the CPS3.

Thanks fudoh!!!

-Jim

[Smashbro29]

So I've all but hit the button to order a Framemeister but Solaris Japan now says it's only available to pre-order? Either way...

Just to finalize this setup

Xbox/GCN/Wii/PSP: Component-D-terminal

What gets me is the PS2, Dreamcast and the oldies.

Firstly:

I assume this is my DC box that will basically toggle between "VGA" mode and 240p/480i (game dependent): http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1870

The goal is to get the most out of all of them and never have to switch cables.

If I understand correctly I need this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extron-RGB-203- ... 565074a6e8 to run with the Dreamcast and PS2 but I CANNOT have the oldies running through it unless there's a sync strike involved.

I've been out of it for a bit but I did some reading back and I think I might have a useable solution (bear in mind I'm not 100% of the cable situation):
PS2(SCART) DC(SCART) OLDIES(SCART) - SCART switch - Sync Strike - Extron - Mini

And because I'll be getting one of these any day now, did anyone ever make that English overlay for the remote?

[Fudoh]

So I've all but hit the button to order a Framemeister but Solaris Japan now says it's only available to pre-order?

Micomsoft ran out of their 2012 production stock, but new units should be in soon.

I assume this is my DC box that will basically toggle between "VGA" mode and 240p/480i (game dependent):

you already got the VGA box ? Otherwise you could order one of Yosi's Hanzo boxes (on the assembler board).

If I understand correctly I need this

or you just use a passive sync combiner circuit.

PS2(SCART) DC(SCART) OLDIES(SCART) - SCART switch - Sync Strike - Extron - Mini

The Extron might still not pass every 15khz signal - it was just never built to do that.

And because I'll be getting one of these any day now, did anyone ever make that English overlay for the remote?

there are only a few buttons you will actually use and you'll have memorized those with a few days.

[Smashbro29]

Micomsoft ran out of their 2012 production stock, but new units should be in soon.

Well that's news but alright I guess I'm waiting.

you already got the VGA box ? Otherwise you could order one of Yosi's Hanzo boxes (on the assembler board).

No, I just figured it'd be cheaper to use my existing DC VGA box rather than getting a new one with the mod.

or you just use a passive sync combiner circuit.

And where would I buy one of those?

The Extron might still not pass every 15khz signal - it was just never built to do that.

So what's the new chain with the passive sync combiner? Does it just replace the extron?

As a side point I am simply fascinated by all this and how none of it causes lag.

[Fudoh]

No, I just figured it'd be cheaper to use my existing DC VGA box rather than getting a new one with the mod.

that's right - I just thought you wanted to avoid modding by yourself.

And where would I buy one of those?

do it yourself.

So what's the new chain with the passive sync combiner? Does it just replace the extron?

If you add a sync combiner to the VGA box, you can simply route the signal into your Scart switch. But then again 31khz from a PS2 will cause problems. We discussed this recently in another thread. The only way to hook everything up is to use a matrix switch with two outputs or multiple switches.

[PixelDharma]

I finally got Wii VC games in 240p looking okay through the Mini. Just took some minor adjustment to the Adjust A/D and Brightness settings. But wow... Now that the VC and original hardware are both well upscaled, the VC does feel comparatively lifeless (in terms of color and especially sound - Genesis games in particular). That's just a commentary on the VC and not the mini itself....

[Smashbro29]

that's right - I just thought you wanted to avoid modding by yourself.

I figured I could send mine in to someone and just give them the instructions.

do it yourself.

There's gotta be someone I can pay to do it, just tell me what it is I actually have to have them do.

If you add a sync combiner to the VGA box, you can simply route the signal into your Scart switch. But then again 31khz from a PS2 will cause problems. We discussed this recently in another thread. The only way to hook everything up is to use a matrix switch with two outputs or multiple switches.

To start: all of these connections are SCART plugs right?

How will the PS2 cause problems just by being in the same switch? From what I understand with this new setup this passive sync combiner will be built into the DC VGA box and the PS2 is pretty much going straight through.

[Fudoh]

just browse back a few pages in this thread and you'll find a sync combiner circuit. If you send your DC VGA box off for modding anyway, have this installed as well - it's just a few cents for parts.

How will the PS2 cause problems just by being in the same switch? From what I understand with this new setup this passive sync combiner will be built into the DC VGA box and the PS2 is pretty much going straight through.

because once a PS2 games does switch to 31khz (480p), the PS2 does output RGsB (sync on green) instead of RGBs.

[Smashbro29]

So what if I integrated my VGA switch?

DC & Oldies - Sync Strike - VGA switch - mini

PS2 - VGA switch -mini

Or if I wanted to take a step further!

I could make put Dreamcast on the VGA switch on it's own.

Also is a Sync Strike a Sync combiner circuit? If so I just had a great idea!

PS2/DC/Old stuff - VGA switch - Sync Strike - mini

My VGA switch has 4 video inputs and an audio input for each, how would I manage that assuming this is a good solution?

EDIT: I did a little reading back and it would seem the PS2 needs the Extron in order to get it going right so figure I'll just get the cheapest smallest one with one input for the PS2.

[Fudoh]

yes, PS2 needs either the Extron or you use component instead for both 15 and 31khz.

Sync Strike is a Sync Stripper/Splitter, not a combiner.

[Smashbro29]

yes, PS2 needs either the Extron or you use component instead for both 15 and 31khz.

Sync Strike is a Sync Stripper/Splitter, not a combiner.

Sorry I got confused with all the Sync words.

So maybe I can get a setup that looks like this

PS2-Extron-VGA switch

DC-VGA switch

Oldies - SCART switch

VGA Switch - Sync Strike - mini

I'm wondering if the Sync Strike is even necessary if the Dreamcast will have this new functionality inside it but from what I read it never hurts to have it around somewhere.

Also, this site claims to have the official Playstation RGB SCART cables but just to check if it's legit: http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electro ... rd:3518876

[Fudoh]

PS2-Extron-VGA switch

doesn't work. The Extron can't accept the PS2's RGBs signal without a sync stripper.

VGA Switch - Sync Strike - mini

you wouldn't need the Sync Strike at this point.

[Smashbro29]

doesn't work. The Extron can't accept the PS2's RGBs signal without a sync stripper.

So... use the Sync Strike before the PS2 hits the Extron?

[Fudoh]

No, because the Sync Strike can't accept RGsB signals (or can it?)

[Smashbro29]

No, because the Sync Strike can't accept RGsB signals (or can it?)

Yes...

old systems INCL. PS2 > Scart switch > Sync Strike > Extron ?

while DC gets routed directly into the Extron ? Both the Scart switch and the Sync Strike won't mind the 31khz RGsB signal from the PS2, so it might work. I think nobody can guarantee you 100% compatibility of all your old systems with the Extron though, even if you run them through the Sync Strike.

Well according to you it seems it can.

So if I have it all straight,

Oldies - SCART switch - VGA switch

PS2 - Sync Strike - Extron - VGA Switch

DC (VGA box modded for mode changes and Sync Combiner) - VGA Switch

VGA Switch - mini

[Fudoh]

well, to say it again: using component on the PS2 would solve all the problems and save you a bunch of equipment.

[Smashbro29]

well, to say it again: using component on the PS2 would solve all the problems and save you a bunch of equipment.

Oh I definitely see that, however if I'm dropping 400 on a box I'll drop the extra 100 or so to get everything JUST right.

Also, I already have a Sync Strike and an Extron device with only one input should be really cheap.

[Fudoh]

It's cheap, that's right. Just give it a try

[Smashbro29]

It's cheap, that's right. Just give it a try

Looks like I'm giving this a try!

Now this modded DC box I assume will end in a SCART cable, is there any way I can keep that VGA as it's going into a VGA switch anyhow?

As for PS2.... god I don't even know about which cables to get for this thing anymore.

[Fudoh]

Now this modded DC box I assume will end in a SCART cable, is there any way I can keep that VGA as it's going into a VGA switch anyhow?

VGA connector is standard.

[Smashbro29]

Now this modded DC box I assume will end in a SCART cable, is there any way I can keep that VGA as it's going into a VGA switch anyhow?

VGA connector is standard.

Ok great! And I assume audio works the same way so that whole situation is golden.

How do I take VGA and audio out and convert that to mini din for the mini?

[Fudoh]

audio goes "around" the VGA switch. The rest is up to you. If you want audio into the Mini you need a matching adapter cable to get audio and "VGA" (well, RGBs actually) into the Mini.

[Smashbro29]

audio goes "around" the VGA switch. The rest is up to you. If you want audio into the Mini you need a matching adapter cable to get audio and "VGA" (well, RGBs actually) into the Mini.

My VGA switch has 3.5mm audio jacks on it for each VGA input as well as the single output. How do I take those 2 and make it one single mini din for the mini?

Also I'm starting to get my stuff together to make threads on stuff to buy.

This: http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:dreamcastav And this: are what I'm showing to get the modded VGA box correct? Any specific part I'd tell them to look at?

How's this Extron device? Will it just be plug and play? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extron-Universa ... 2578123b42

I'm being ridiculously anal before buying. I've got just enough money only if I get everything right the first time.

[jdubs]

Guys, for my rgb-modded NES I (will) have a standard 8-pin din output (a la first gen Genesis). I'm using this cable:

http://www.retrogamingcables.com/sega-m ... -lead.html

from the NES. From that cable's euro SCART output is this adapter:

Micomsoft XRGB Mini Sync booster for Euro SCART to XRGB Mini (made by Retro Console Accessories)

Which then goes into the Mini. I use that adapter cable for all my other systems (CPS2, CPS3, 2nd gen Gensis, SNES Jr.), successfully. If I want my NES setup to work, what should its pinout be with regards to the sync? I.e., composite video or composite sync? Does the sync line need a capacitor on it?

Thanks (once again) guys. The system wasn't producing a picture before with the Mini (it worked fine with my vp-30) and I sent it back to the modder. He's looking for guidance as he doesn't have a Mini on hand to test it with.

-Jim

[Fudoh]

RGB modded NES systems can't output composite video anymore, so you got pure sync anyway. No need to use a sync booster cable. But you have to ask your modder if your NES uses the "MD's video pin or the sync pin" for sync output. Also you don't require a capacitor on the NES's sync signal.

[Smashbro29]

HOLY SHIT NUGGETS BATMAN!

I just saw the price go from like.. 391 to 409 on Solaris, what the hell happened? Is the price gonna keep going up?

[papa_november]

Guess you can add the PC-98 to the confirmed working systems list...

[fagin]

HOLY SHIT NUGGETS BATMAN!

I just saw the price go from like.. 391 to 409 on Solaris, what the hell happened? Is the price gonna keep going up?

Might be an exchange rate "thing". GBP conversion has stayed at £270 so about right.

[NWrain]

The Japanese Yen seems to have gotten weaker recently. Using Google I got a figure of 1 USD = 94.4 Yen. I think Fagin is right.

[Drakon]

RGB modded NES systems can't output composite video anymore, so you got pure sync anyway. No need to use a sync booster cable. But you have to ask your modder if your NES uses the "MD's video pin or the sync pin" for sync output. Also you don't require a capacitor on the NES's sync signal.

Hi I built the system and it's with me right now. This system can and does still output composite video I just didn't bother wiring it up. The system uses a sony cxa1645 circuit to amp and encode the rgb which is why there's still composite video as well as s-video. I wired pure composite sync into both the composite sync and composite video pins of the sega genesis av port. If this xrgb works with cps2 / 3 obviously it won't need composite video. The sync signal in this rgb toaster goes straight from the ppu to a lm1881n to clean it up but it never gets amped. I'm guessing either you need a sync amp or there's something wrong with the wiring of this scart cable. I'm going to open up the scart cable and take a look.