HDMI NES could be a reality?

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Re: HDMI NES could be a reality?

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leonk wrote: He's probably using a much faster FPGA to emulate the NES PPU, but output digital video (as the NES PPU can only output analog composite video)

In any case. My biggest concern with this novel idea is the video quality. Yes, it will be HDMI, but at the end of the day, he's emulating the PPU. His mapper emulator isn't 100% accurate (there's many games, some common, that don't play perfectly on it).
This little detail pretty much turns me off of the whole concept right there. The FPGA emulating the functionality of a more or less complex chip lends itself to one of the same problems that turns me off of emulation. That is to say the ever present possibility of a game or a certain section of a game not looking right.

I know his solution can be updated to fix any incompatibilities discovered but that really just defeats the purpose of playing on hardware in my opinion. Playing using actual hardware and cartridges should be plug and play with no worries of glitches and inaccuracies.

I guess with the NES you just cannot win. The PPU swap trick gives you colour inaccuracies, and the HDMI solution is bound to cause emulation inaccuracies, and regular composite just looks horrendous for the most part.

Is there any known mod to improve the video output quality of a Toaster NES? Can one do anything at all? I have a PAL NES, I need to hook that up and see how it compares to my NTSC NES in terms of image quality.

I am guessing the PAL unit should put out a cleaner video signal since it at least does not do that trick shifting that NTSC systems do to avoid dot crawl. Someone explained the exact nature of NTSC shifting a while back in another thread.
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Re: HDMI NES could be a reality?

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kamiboy wrote:the HDMI solution is bound to cause emulation inaccuracies
If they're just intercepting data on its way to the NTSC encoder (as they say they are), which itself has no function in the actual program loop, I don't see why this should be the case.
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From what I understand the PPU's function is a tad more complex than that. As soon as I heard the word mapper I got very worried.

Edit:

Yup, just as I suspected, the PPU is a complicated beast indeed:

http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/PPU
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A lot of the complexity is in the address generation for reading CHR ROM/RAM, though, and from what I understand the approach of this device is to let the original PPU do that part. The FPGA would still need to take care of stuff like priority and getting the right X offsets within each scanline, but it wouldn't have to duplicate everything.
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Smashbro29 wrote:Because that setup requires an analog to spdif converter too.

I realize the solution you posted should technically work But I'm concerned about lag especially when it comes to lag between picture and sound. Not to mention 2 extra boxes for an NES seems excessive. There's got to be one, even if it costs the same price, electricity bills are no joke.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=2

This takes analog audio, so I don't think you'd need to convert anything.
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pyrotek85 wrote:
Smashbro29 wrote:Because that setup requires an analog to spdif converter too.

I realize the solution you posted should technically work But I'm concerned about lag especially when it comes to lag between picture and sound. Not to mention 2 extra boxes for an NES seems excessive. There's got to be one, even if it costs the same price, electricity bills are no joke.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=2

This takes analog audio, so I don't think you'd need to convert anything.
Ok that is huge, I'd really just need a confirmation it didn't lag at all.

I came here to find out if this was still happening. I was excited.
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