Fudoh's ode to old display technology

[lettuce]

This startech cable has the wrong bnc connection type doesn't it?....

http://www.ebuyer.com/190608-startech-c ... -vgabncmf1

Shame as its a nice short cable, the shortest I can find otherwise is 1.8 meter

[NWrain]

What about BNC adapters?

[fagin]

What about BNC adapters?

Too expensive.

[fagin]

This startech cable has the wrong bnc connection type doesn't it?....

http://www.ebuyer.com/190608-startech-c ... -vgabncmf1

Shame as its a nice short cable, the shortest I can find otherwise is 1.8 meter

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130762769106? ... 1438.l2649

[lettuce]

Cheers!

[hakujin]

Found a BVM-D20F1U locally and I want to test it...but I'm not sure how to get a 240p signal to it from my stock consoles. If I wanted to hook up a NTSC SNES or a PS2 (assuming no RGB because of stock console) what do I need to do? I have composite, s-video, and component cables currently.

[mesmer]

right, of course. But the TVL are spec'ed for the middle of the screen only, so with a 700 TVL rating you still hardly reach the 1280 lines over the full width of the tube. Anyway, 720p is the way to go!

Ah, I see what you mean now.

Found a BVM-D20F1U locally and I want to test it...but I'm not sure how to get a 240p signal to it from my stock consoles. If I wanted to hook up a NTSC SNES or a PS2 (assuming no RGB because of stock console) what do I need to do? I have composite, s-video, and component cables currently.

Depends on the input boards the monitor has. You can get some bnc to rca adapters at radio shack. You can just try composite to test (if available), and/or use a component cable for PS2 (Wii, etc.) to test the higher resolutions.

D14 and D20 - those are the only ones. A series was only available in 16:9.

A series was 4:3 14 and 20, 16:9 24 and 32.

Fudoh, what would you say would be the best 31khz 480p capable CRTs you've seen are?

See the Guilty Gear pics I posted a few posts up =)
Actually, There are probably quite a few high end Sony, Viewsonic, etc. PC CRT monitors that have great pictures.

[fagin]

The PS2 outputs both RGB and YUV and the SNES outputs RGB. Either use the component from the PS2 and buy some BNC adapters or buy an RGB SCART cable for the SNES and convert that to BNC. Easy to sort.

[FabriZed]

Hello, savvy people, I have discovered this Sony PVM for sale casually near my home:
http://www.ebay.it/itm/271162868235?_tr ... 926wt_1186
Is it good? I am quite a newbie of this PVM/BVM world.
Price seems more than reasonable, what can I do to test it before buying? I have s-video and component cables and obviously composite (and scart rgb but those wouldn't be useful If I'm not wrong) for ps1, ps2 and gamecube, which are the consoles I would be interested in using on the monitor.
Any contribution is greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

[hakujin]

what can I do to test it before buying? I have s-video and component cables and obviously composite (and scart rgb but those wouldn't be useful If I'm not wrong) for ps1, ps2 and gamecube, which are the consoles I would be interested in using on the monitor.

See the previous two posts for info. Buy 3 female RCA to BNC adapters and use your ps2 with the component cable.

[SharkSkin-Man]

When using a good quality CRT (PVM etc.) how much jitter, if any, would one expect to see on a 240p image?
I was correcting the geometry on mine, so I was right up close to the screen, and noticed a certain amount of E/W jitter along the edges of vertical lines (not visible from my normal viewing position).

My OCD side now wants to know if this is normal, or something 'wrong' that I can correct.

[fagin]

I'm not sure I noticed any on my BVM..... can't remember with regard to the PVM. Regardless from normal viewing distances a normal consumer TV CRT shouldn't pose any issues imo.

[NWrain]

I get a tiny amount of north south jitter with 240p content on my BVM. I don't think it is much of an issue.

[22point8]

Made a video comparison of my 2044QM and 1454qm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tATioWO2 ... e=youtu.be

watch in 720p.

I'll upload a comparison with the 240p test suite for megadrive/genesis running on Wii, and another with Sonic 1.

[kamiboy]

My 14" PVM's picture is rock solid even if you stick the old eyeball right up onto the screen. I'd reckon jitter is more a question of source than display.

[22point8]

Sonic 2 comparison, not very good quality, sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUancX9G ... e=youtu.be

Here is the 240p test suite comparison video

http://youtu.be/ZDQLJe2KEmA

[lettuce]

Any ideas how to get into the service menu for the PVM 20M4E, i need to adjust the screen shift. Also can someone run me through some settings in the OSD, im not sure what some of them do ie, ACC etc. whats the idea settings for 240p NTSC display?. Thanks

[fagin]

You lazy arsed cheapskate *******!!!!!

You spend the time and money to buy a device like this, yet you won't "buy" an on-line available manual for a couple of $'s to give you the information you need.

PM me your email address and I'll send you the pdf................................. you cheap arsed tramp!

[ryu]

getting angry over not having gotten your 10th crt is a serious sign of addiction fagin

[fagin]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

He knows I'm only joking...... even if he is a tight arse tramp!

[22point8]

ACC = auto colour correction, I think it measures the screen voltages and keeps them in check so the picture stays looking the same, similar to the beam current white balance thing, thats what the red green and blue bars in underscan/16:9 mode are for.

Enter service menu = press menu, then press degauss and enter at the same time.

Blue only/reset restores the saved setting, degauss writes a new setting.

Factory reset = in service menu hold reset until it says 'factory' then degauss.




V Linearity is best adjusted on a grid pattern with circles, the idea is to get all the squares the same size, and the circles round rather than egg shaped. You might have to redo V Centre afterwards.

Pin cusion, pin phase lower pin cusion, vbow, lower v bow should be the only settings you need to use geometry wise.

The service menu for that pvm is available free on elektrotanya http://elektrotanya.com/sony_pvm-20m2_2 ... nload.html

[lettuce]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

He knows I'm only joking...... even if he is a tight arse tramp!

Tight arse, well i try and be sensible with my cash......WTF am i talking about i just bought a PVM, and have about 3 other CRTs kicking about not to mention a Hantarex CT 28 EQ!,. lol

and tramp, maybe

getting angry over not having gotten your 10th crt is a serious sign of addiction fagin

Speaking of which i might have a proposition for you Fagin (or though im guessing you might have spy'd it already)

[fagin]

LOL @ lettuce. I'll read the PM shortly, but I'm straight so intrigued by what you mean by proposition. : D

[mrtie]

http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Ma ... cctid=1581

Anyone in New Jersey? Amazing deal on a large lot of CRT 20"s Sony and Ikegami, currently at $10, if anyone hits on this I would be interesting in buying one.

ITEM # QTY DESCRIPTION BRAND SERIAL # MODEL #
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 20AG0634 TM14-20
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 20AG0635 TM20-9RH
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 20AG0639 TM20-19RH
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 81T7637 TM20-9RH
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 20D0184 TM20-18R
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 39L1534 TM20-9RH
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI D10190 TM20-9RHC
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 37J1364 TM20-9RHA
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 81T7637 TM20-9RHC
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI C10039 TM209RHC
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 20D0183 TM20-18R
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI 81T7665 TM20-9RHC
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR IKEGAMI OOOO74 TM20-80RH
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR SONY 2103196 PVM-20L2
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR SONY 2102580 PVM-20L2
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR SONY 2102592 PVM-20L2
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR SONY 2000204 PVM-20L2
NJN43 1 20" COLOR MONITOR SONY 2000199 PVM-20L2
NJN43 LOT MANUALS* SONY N/A N/A
NJN43 LOT MANUALS* IKEGAMI N/A N/A

[kamiboy]

It is a good deal, but when one factors in the logistics of transporting and storing so many 20" pro CRT's it becomes evident that this deal is above the reach of most people.

It must be tempting to win with a low bid, show up and pick up three of the PVM's in best shape and run for the hills leaving them to deal with the rest.

[cyborc]

just picked up a sony pvm 20l5 which can output 480p. what's the best way to get dreamcast vga into this thing? do i need a vga to component transcoder?

[Ed Oscuro]

just picked up a sony pvm 20l5 which can output 480p.

You mean it accepts 480p input. Maybe it can do the other but that's not what you want.

Did you find the monitor's manual online? I know somebody will pop in here with the answer but having the manual is really handy.

[Fudoh]

Didn't somebody mention that a t-connector is enough to get RGBHV running on the 480p sets ? Or was 480p input limited to YPbPr ?

[cyborc]

Didn't somebody mention that a t-connector is enough to get RGBHV running on the 480p sets ? Or was 480p input limited to YPbPr ?

i'll order one and give it a try, thanks.

[kamiboy]

Didn't somebody mention that a t-connector is enough to get RGBHV running on the 480p sets ? Or was 480p input limited to YPbPr ?

That was me, and yeah 480p works for RGB and component. I have managed to get RGB 480p to work using a T-connector.