XRGB-mini Framemeister

[Elrinth]

You're using composite video. That always sucks.

So basically what you're saying is, that I really have to modify my Sharp Twin Famicom with an RGB mod if I want it to look razorsharp and good?

[Konsolkongen]

Yes. There's no way you'll ever get anything near razor-sharp graphics with composite.

[Smashbro29]

In theory it works. You need to disable the framelock (V-Sync) on the Mini, so the processor can output 59.94Hz instead of what the source system delivers. When I last tried the framelock function was broken and could NOT be properly turned off. This was mentioned in my review a year ago already.

They still haven't fixed it? And if it's on you just get what the system is outputting? What do older systems output anyhow?

[Fudoh]

don't know, last I tried was a year ago.

[Overkill]

Just received my Framemeister, the info button says it's on firmware 1.07, but i have a mixed menu with english text and Japanese. I tryed to change the language in the menu, from english to Japanese and vice versa but it remains allways with the mixed text. Is this normal? i thought the all menu was in english

[Fudoh]

should be all english. 1.07A is the latest. Maybe you got the unpatched .07 version. Just reflash with the .07A version.
Oh, and always power cycle after switching the language.

[MMJuno]

Just received my Framemeister, the info button says it's on firmware 1.07, but i have a mixed menu with english text and Japanese. I tryed to change the language in the menu, from english to Japanese and vice versa but it remains allways with the mixed text. Is this normal? i thought the all menu was in english

Did you power cycle the Framemeister after the language switch? If not, you need to do so for the changes to apply.

Edit: Eh, he beat me to it.

[Smashbro29]

Well thanks anyhow. You're always a good help.

So I'm planning ahead trying to budget this whole thing out in American dollars and trying to figure out every stupid detail before I drop 400 bucks on an upscaling box

Framemeister with shipping is about 450
I've got a VGA switch to tie it all together so that's good. (Though my SCART switch is unpowered and so is the VGA one so I wonder if I should worry)
I'll need that cable I need to get someone to make for me to go from the switch to the mini, is it cheaper to get a SCART to VGA cable and use the mini din adapter I already bought?

The setup for PS2 is: PS2 > (RGB) > Sync Strike > (VGA cable) > Extron interface > VGA switch

For PS2 I'll need:
PS SCART cable (Can't seem to find this in 2 minutes, gonna need to look)
Sync Strike (Got it)
Extron RGB Interface: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extron-RGB-190- ... 1e76ef565e

The setup for Dreamcast is: DC > modded VGA box > VGA switch

For Dreamcast I'll need to hit up a modder to take my existing VGA box and mod it to get the ever coveted VGA/240p (and sometimes 480i) combo. I assume I'll still plug it in with a VGA cable. I don't have a ton of experience doing this so that can be its own little adventure.

Wii (and maybe Gamecube too?) Is just Wii > Component to D-terminal > mini

OLD STUFF: Consoles > SCART switch > VGA switch

How exactly do I do this? SCART is going to become VGA somehow, right?

Will I need another Sync Strike? Those aren't cheap. and I already need to use a transformer to use the PSU that came with it.

I wish money wasn't such an issue or I'd just dump 1K to this whole project and experiment.

Also just to throw it on because why not: PSP component cable setup?

[Elrinth]

Here's how to power cycle: http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB ... AMEMEISTER

[eightbitminiboss]

I tried to read this thread but I have spent hours scrolling through all the pages and haven't found what I'm looking for.

So here's my question:
Has anyone tried to capture some gameplay with the HD PVR 2? It has HDMI in and out so it should be possible, right?

The connection would be something like this:
Console > XRGB-Mini > HD PVR 2 > HDTV

If anyone has tried this, please let me know and tell me if it works and if it does, what should I think of.

shouldn't be anything special?

I ordered a roxio game capture hd same time as my framemeister, still waiting for it to arrive, tho I got my framemeister yesterday. should be same setup. will post back to thread when I got it
then again, japan to swe has always been faster than us to swe for me.

In theory it works. You need to disable the framelock (V-Sync) on the Mini, so the processor can output 59.94Hz instead of what the source system delivers. When I last tried the framelock function was broken and could NOT be properly turned off. This was mentioned in my review a year ago already.

I've been using my Avermedia Game Broadcaster HD with an HDMI splitter and it works just fine in my setup. I didn't change any of the framelock stuff and it syncs properly to it. Here's what I recorded the other day: http://www.twitch.tv/digitaldiatribe/b/364843598

In theory it should work for your capture setup too.

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                                               HDTV
Console -----> XRGB Mini -----> HDMI Splitter<
                                               Game Broadcaster HD

[Fudoh]

I've been using my Avermedia Game Broadcaster HD with an HDMI splitter and it works just fine in my setup

excellent ! Do you still have one of your captures SNES files on your PC ? If yes, would you mind checking what mediainfo says about the framerate for the recorded clips ?

[Fudoh]

@Smashbro29

You have to put the Extron interface behind the VGA switch. This way you use it for both the PS2's and the DC's signal. PS2 for RGsB to RGBs and DC for RGBHV to RGBs.

Wii (and maybe Gamecube too?) Is just Wii > Component to D-terminal > mini

yes.

OLD STUFF: Consoles > SCART switch > VGA switch

yes

How exactly do I do this? SCART is going to become VGA somehow, right?

yes

Will I need another Sync Strike?

no, unless you use a very high-end VGA switch with sync processing.

Also just to throw it on because why not: PSP component cable setup?

just like Gamecube or Wii.

[eightbitminiboss]

I've been using my Avermedia Game Broadcaster HD with an HDMI splitter and it works just fine in my setup

excellent ! Do you still have one of your captures SNES files on your PC ? If yes, would you mind checking what mediainfo says about the framerate for the recorded clips ?

I don't unfortunately, this was a straight capture and encode to Twitch through OBS. I can create one when I return home from work tonight though.

[Fudoh]

Would be nice! I suspect that the Avermedia ignores the actual refresh rate and just blindly records 59.94Hz.

[Smashbro29]

You have to put the Extron interface behind the VGA switch. This way you use it for both the PS2's and the DC's signal. PS2 for RGsB to RGBs and DC for RGBHV to RGBs.

Won't that cause the Extron to interfere with the older consoles also in the VGA switch?

How do I make the SCART from the old console into VGA?

And how do I find a cable to go from the VGA switch to the mini's mini din? Does it help that I already have one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200864162120?ss ... 1439.l2649

On the capture: Avermedia stuff can take in whatever and spit out whatever, the most common example is taking in 1080p at 60fps and only recording at 30fps. It's not picky at all and will capture anything it seems.

[Fudoh]

Won't that cause the Extron to interfere with the older consoles also in the VGA switch?

my bad, you're right. It would work unless your old systems use clean sync, but not with composite video for sync.

[Smashbro29]

my bad, you're right. It would work unless your old systems use clean sync, but not with composite video for sync.

So what do I do? Get 2 Extrons?

[Fudoh]

well, having not to switch any cables ever, doesn't come cheap.... The 202 and 203rxi do have 2/3 inputs.

[Smashbro29]

well, having not to switch any cables ever, doesn't come cheap.... The 202 and 203rxi do have 2/3 inputs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extron-RGB-203- ... 565074a6e8

Only slightly more expensive and most definitely worth it!

Taking a look at this thing, how exactly do I even get VGA out out of those connectors?

[Fudoh]

BNC connectors. You don't want VGA/HD15 anyway, right ? If you want to keep your JP21 to MiniDin cable in place, you need a cable with 4 BNC connectors (RGBs) and audio on the one side and J-Scart on the other side. Or you put away the JP21 to MiniDin cable and get a cable from BNC+audio to MiniDin. But the later one is hard to make since the MiniDin's so small and 4 Coax cables (one for each BNC plug) take some space.

[Smashbro29]

BNC connectors. You don't want VGA/HD15 anyway, right ? If you want to keep your JP21 to MiniDin cable in place, you need a cable with 4 BNC connectors (RGBs) and audio on the one side and J-Scart on the other side. Or you put away the JP21 to MiniDin cable and get a cable from BNC+audio to MiniDin. But the later one is hard to make since the MiniDin's so small and 4 Coax cables (one for each BNC plug) take some space.

But I thought the Extron and the older consoles would both go to the VGA switch and that would go to mini din.

[Fudoh]

With a 3-input interface you could replace your switch alltogether... If you want to keep the switch you simply make it BNC to VGA.

[Smashbro29]

With a 3-input interface you could replace your switch alltogether... If you want to keep the switch you simply make it BNC to VGA.

That sounds great but didn't you say Extron and oldies don't mix?

[Elrinth]

I've been using my Avermedia Game Broadcaster HD with an HDMI splitter and it works just fine in my setup. I didn't change any of the framelock stuff and it syncs properly to it. Here's what I recorded the other day: http://www.twitch.tv/digitaldiatribe/b/364843598

In theory it should work for your capture setup too.

Code: Select all

                                               HDTV
Console -----> XRGB Mini -----> HDMI Splitter<
                                               Game Broadcaster HD

Hell yeah! Seiken Densetsu 3 in the ending

[theclaw]

Well thanks anyhow. You're always a good help.

So I'm planning ahead trying to budget this whole thing out in American dollars and trying to figure out every stupid detail before I drop 400 bucks on an upscaling box

Framemeister with shipping is about 450
I've got a VGA switch to tie it all together so that's good. (Though my SCART switch is unpowered and so is the VGA one so I wonder if I should worry)
I'll need that cable I need to get someone to make for me to go from the switch to the mini, is it cheaper to get a SCART to VGA cable and use the mini din adapter I already bought?

The setup for PS2 is: PS2 > (RGB) > Sync Strike > (VGA cable) > Extron interface > VGA switch

For PS2 I'll need:
PS SCART cable (Can't seem to find this in 2 minutes, gonna need to look)
Sync Strike (Got it)
Extron RGB Interface: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extron-RGB-190- ... 1e76ef565e

The setup for Dreamcast is: DC > modded VGA box > VGA switch

For Dreamcast I'll need to hit up a modder to take my existing VGA box and mod it to get the ever coveted VGA/240p (and sometimes 480i) combo. I assume I'll still plug it in with a VGA cable. I don't have a ton of experience doing this so that can be its own little adventure.

Wii (and maybe Gamecube too?) Is just Wii > Component to D-terminal > mini

OLD STUFF: Consoles > SCART switch > VGA switch

How exactly do I do this? SCART is going to become VGA somehow, right?

Will I need another Sync Strike? Those aren't cheap. and I already need to use a transformer to use the PSU that came with it.

I wish money wasn't such an issue or I'd just dump 1K to this whole project and experiment.

Also just to throw it on because why not: PSP component cable setup?

No. PS2 is like Wii, you want component to d-terminal. Easier to play 480p games that way.

[eightbitminiboss]

Would be nice! I suspect that the Avermedia ignores the actual refresh rate and just blindly records 59.94Hz.

Here you go:

Video
ID : 0
Format : Lagarith
Codec ID : LAGS
Duration : 1mn 12s
Bit rate : 67.6 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 59.940 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.224
Stream size : 583 MiB (94%)

[Smashbro29]

No. PS2 is like Wii, you want component to d-terminal. Easier to play 480p games that way.

We've established that isn't the absolute best way to do it.

[theclaw]

No. PS2 is like Wii, you want component to d-terminal. Easier to play 480p games that way.

We've established that isn't the absolute best way to do it.

I guess. As long as it's an idiot proof way to get 240p, 480i, and 480p, from one cable.

I certainly wouldn't want to deal with swapping more than necessary when I get an item this luxury.

[Smashbro29]

No. PS2 is like Wii, you want component to d-terminal. Easier to play 480p games that way.

We've established that isn't the absolute best way to do it.

I guess. As long as it's an idiot proof way to get 240p, 480i, and 480p, from one cable.

I certainly wouldn't want to deal with swapping more than necessary when I get an item this luxury.

I'm working on a way to not swap period.

[Overkill]

Thanks Fudoh, its in English now. This is really a great machine. But the RGB mini din input seems a bit picky: Megadrive working great, PS1/2 don't like my best scart cable, so i used an logic 3 one and now works good. Just for test i tryed my Dreamcast, and the mini don't like my 3rd party scart too, with the WII my official nintendo RGB scart don't work too, but a 3rd party works. Strange, i allways thinked the oficial one are the best to use.

And now for anyone who allready have setups defined, which value are you guys using in Master mode scanlines for 240p material? in 720p output to a 1080p LCD.

By the way to people who noticed bad image with component input, i can not agree, i have a overall good picture with it, at least with my ps2 and xbox1.