∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

This is the main shmups forum. Chat about shmups in here - keep it on-topic please!
TrippyCake
Posts: 29
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:51 pm

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by TrippyCake »

cfx wrote:Full version will be released 12/31.
And then we'll see if it's as good as HELLSINKER.
Let's all watch warmly the days until the end of the current year.
User avatar
Aisha
Posts: 537
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:24 am
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Aisha »

Here is the official PV for the game, as well as the site for it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMolW-Y-cw
http://endless-shirafu.com/akashicverse/index.html

It has already been consigned to a few (albeit Japan-only) doujin shops, but I'm not sure if they'll start selling it on the same day as Day 3 of Comiket 83. Sometimes there's a delay.

I'm really looking forward to this one.
Lord Satori wrote:what does omake mean anyway?

also the game looks GREAT! I'll have to check it out.
Along the lines of "bonus" or "extra". It looks like they kept the omake boss in the full version, but it's no longer referred to as such. I'm also hoping that ∀lternative ∀rguments mode is also included, but I'm not holding my breath.
TrippyCake
Posts: 29
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:51 pm

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by TrippyCake »

Aisha wrote:
Lord Satori wrote:what does omake mean anyway?

also the game looks GREAT! I'll have to check it out.
Along the lines of "bonus" or "extra". It looks like they kept the omake boss in the full version, but it's no longer referred to as such. I'm also hoping that ∀lternative ∀rguments mode is also included, but I'm not holding my breath.
Well, in the PV at 1:04, if you pause at the correct frame, you can see it say BLOOM! the same way it said OMAKE! when the boss is shown.
User avatar
BPzeBanshee
Posts: 4859
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:59 am

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by BPzeBanshee »

Yeah, I'm hoping for Alternative Arguments as well, that mode was radical.

Definitely looking forward to this. I'm useless at reading Japanese but is there a listed price for this yet?

I swear if this game gets shit on launch purely because of comparison to HELLSINKER I'll lose all faith in this forum.
Last edited by BPzeBanshee on Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
SuperSoaker360
Posts: 746
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:19 am

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by SuperSoaker360 »

Sweet. Time to get my Comiket connection going to snatch me a copy. I doubt it will be as good as Hellsinker but I think it will still be a very trippy experience.
1CC List | YouTube Channel | Twitter | RebKMG/KMG
RegalSin wrote:Wait a minute, everything else is better then an aerodactyle, with a man face on it.
User avatar
Aisha
Posts: 537
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:24 am
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Aisha »

BPzeBanshee wrote:Yeah, I'm hoping for Alternative Arguments as well, that mode was radical.

Definitely looking forward to this. I'm useless at reading Japanese but is there a listed price for this yet?

I swear if this game gets shit on launch purely because of comparison to HELLSINKER I'll lose all faith in this forum.
Looks like 1000円 if you get it directly from the circle at the convention, and 1470円 if you buy it from the shops, which don't ship overseas.

And yeah, I'm also hoping that it's judged on its own merits. It wouldn't surprise me if the circle did use Hellsinker for inspiration, but I've seen the game through Stage 5 and I think they're doing their own thing. Based on that, I don't think Akashicverse is as cryptic as Hellsinker, and the visual design is a lot more abstract and colorful; and of course, the mechanics and gameplay are completely different. To me, the biggest similarity between the two games is the bullet style.
mauve
Posts: 71
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:35 pm

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by mauve »

Ever since I started poking at HS, unrelated people were telling me how much this game seems similar to it, and, frankly speaking, I just don't see it?

It's stylish and sharp and all but the gameplay seems pretty different.
User avatar
O. Van Bruce
Posts: 1623
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:50 pm
Location: On an alternate dimension... filled with bullets and moon runes...

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by O. Van Bruce »

mauve wrote:Ever since I started poking at HS, unrelated people were telling me how much this game seems similar to it, and, frankly speaking, I just don't see it?

It's stylish and sharp and all but the gameplay seems pretty different.
Well, the connection is the trippiness of both games. AkashicVerse is like an exagerated version of Hellsinker.

For me, it doesn't get on the level of atmosphere that Hellsinker does but sure, the gameplay is fresh, interesting and awesome at the same time.
User avatar
nasty_wolverine
Posts: 1371
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:44 pm

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by nasty_wolverine »

To be honest, I am with muave...
though this game seems really good, and i would like to get my hand on it if i could...
but this is no where near hellsinker... only people who have played the hell out of hellsinker will understand what I am saying...
there is only one HELLSINKER
Elysian Door - Naraka (my WIP PC STG) in development hell for the moment
User avatar
Udderdude
Posts: 6293
Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:55 am
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Udderdude »

This game looks like a good balance between modern CAVE scoring systems, and the ludicrous complexity of Hellsinker.
User avatar
Observer
Posts: 1516
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:23 pm
Location: In a huge battleship

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Observer »

What Udderdude said: this is more like CAVE meets Hellsinker meets Radio Zonde. If anything, the Akashicverse brings me more memories of Radio Zonde. It has a bit from here and there but the core mechanics are essentially its very own thing.

Like I once said: it's almost fighting game commands in a shmup where you trigger different "methods" to achieve a huge array of devastating attacks. Not for anything you are prompted to do the tutorial first to get a hang of this since later on there are enemies that are "METHOD ONLY" and you can only take them out using those moves.

edit: and you can turn into a boss, which brings what probably is one of the greatest STG quotes since KEEP YOUR DIGNITY.

There are many CAVE references, including Hibachi and some bullet patterns. The Hellsinker vibes are present in A.D.A.M. (which is the Akashic system for the game considering the Twitter app is called the same and has its own logo, kind of like a cousin of that Total Karma Compressor System named "Garland") and the awesome engrish in the quotes. (CONTACT HAS BEGUN)

What I love of the game is the synchrony, trying to make even bullet patterns "play" with the music (most prominently seen in stages 2 & 3 bosses and the insane Omake boss), besides the backgrounds and enemy formations. So this is more like LSD: The STG, with plenty of original stuff to stand on its very own.

I'm really looking forward to check the final version. Seems it only has 5 stages so I'm hoping more content will be added later so it doesn't feel so barebones.

The only info I could gather is that the main character is apparently called "Hime/Himeno". Or that's the Omake boss, I can't remember. The story part of the site isn't up yet.

So, yep, I don't think it quite reaches Hellsinker but I don't do ranks like that, I only have Great Ones on a big throne where they all stand proudly together. :P (Crimzon Clover, Hellsinker, Kamui, RefleX, Diadra Empty, Samidare, etc.)
Image
NOW REACHES THE FATAL ATTRACTION BE DESCRIBED AS "HELLSINKER". DECIDE DESTINATION.
User avatar
O. Van Bruce
Posts: 1623
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:50 pm
Location: On an alternate dimension... filled with bullets and moon runes...

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by O. Van Bruce »

nasty_wolverine wrote:To be honest, I am with muave...
though this game seems really good, and i would like to get my hand on it if i could...
but this is no where near hellsinker... only people who have played the hell out of hellsinker will understand what I am saying...
there is only one HELLSINKER
Image

tfw HELLSINKER 2
User avatar
BPzeBanshee
Posts: 4859
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:59 am

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by BPzeBanshee »

Some can of worms huh? I guess we'll find out just how good it really is when it gets released in January (or New Year's Eve for those in Japan).

I just don't want this game to be looked down upon and remembered as "that doujin that's trying to be Hellsinker but isn't as good", because clearly this game is unique in itself, and going from the trials it's already quite good. I'm hoping they've expanded on the trial in regards to the Omake bosses, and that there may be a Alternative Arguments version either included on Launch or released in some form later in the future - with those aside I can't really say anything wrong about this, except that maybe a change of resolution option for widescreen monitors with no 4:3 adjustment built-in would be nice.
User avatar
O. Van Bruce
Posts: 1623
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:50 pm
Location: On an alternate dimension... filled with bullets and moon runes...

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by O. Van Bruce »

BPzeBanshee wrote:Some can of worms huh? I guess we'll find out just how good it really is when it gets released in January (or New Year's Eve for those in Japan).

I just don't want this game to be looked down upon and remembered as "that doujin that's trying to be Hellsinker but isn't as good", because clearly this game is unique in itself, and going from the trials it's already quite good. I'm hoping they've expanded on the trial in regards to the Omake bosses, and that there may be a Alternative Arguments version either included on Launch or released in some form later in the future - with those aside I can't really say anything wrong about this, except that maybe a change of resolution option for widescreen monitors with no 4:3 adjustment built-in would be nice.
Oh yeah, the game is awesome by itself, no doubt about that, but the shadow of HELLSINKER is too big and in the end, a lot of people relate it to Akashic.
User avatar
BPzeBanshee
Posts: 4859
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:59 am

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by BPzeBanshee »

The shadow of Hellsinker is indeed large now, but who's to say this game won't have a bit of a legacy some years down the track? I will have a chuckle for sure if a doujin gets made in 5 or 10 years time and this forum's otakus of the future try to compare it to Akashicverse because it "looks similar".
User avatar
O. Van Bruce
Posts: 1623
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:50 pm
Location: On an alternate dimension... filled with bullets and moon runes...

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by O. Van Bruce »

BPzeBanshee wrote:The shadow of Hellsinker is indeed large now, but who's to say this game won't have a bit of a legacy some years down the track? I will have a chuckle for sure if a doujin gets made in 5 or 10 years time and this forum's otakus of the future try to compare it to Akashicverse because it "looks similar".
Then, we'll get some old shmupers complayning (probably me and more people :lol: ) about how no one value the TRUE origin of the game and blah blah blah.
User avatar
Observer
Posts: 1516
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:23 pm
Location: In a huge battleship

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Observer »

The bottom line is that I care about seeing more STGs being made more than anything else. :P If they take inspiration on the truly great ones, even better!

By the way, these guys first worked on a visual novel so they had quite the genre shift. I'm glad they are delivering this.

I'm gonna ask about 16:9 support, did anyone check the latest trial? Wasn't an option regarding this added?

Anyway:

PHALAEONOPSIS EX MACHINA IS READY. GO!
Image
NOW REACHES THE FATAL ATTRACTION BE DESCRIBED AS "HELLSINKER". DECIDE DESTINATION.
User avatar
Aisha
Posts: 537
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:24 am
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Aisha »

Observer wrote:The bottom line is that I care about seeing more STGs being made more than anything else. :P If they take inspiration on the truly great ones, even better!

By the way, these guys first worked on a visual novel so they had quite the genre shift. I'm glad they are delivering this.

I'm gonna ask about 16:9 support, did anyone check the latest trial? Wasn't an option regarding this added?

Anyway:

PHALAEONOPSIS EX MACHINA IS READY. GO!
The C82 trial is the latest trial and the AConfig.exe packaged with it doesn't seem to have any option related to 16:9 support, but I could be overlooking it because it's mostly written in kanji and I'm too tired to deal with that right now. In fact, the config application is exactly the same as the one packaged with the older web trial that's currently available for download. I don't see a 16:9 option in the game's options menu either.

WELCOME TO GENOCIDE GARDEN
User avatar
O. Van Bruce
Posts: 1623
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:50 pm
Location: On an alternate dimension... filled with bullets and moon runes...

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by O. Van Bruce »

Observer wrote:PHALAEONOPSIS EX MACHINA IS READY. GO!
Aisha wrote:WELCOME TO GENOCIDE GARDEN
Yeah, I was forgetting this, Mauve

lulzy ENGRISH (with CAPITALS) on both games.
User avatar
Subterranean Sun
Posts: 176
Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:21 am
Location: China

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Subterranean Sun »

BPzeBanshee wrote:The shadow of Hellsinker is indeed large now, but who's to say this game won't have a bit of a legacy some years down the track? I will have a chuckle for sure if a doujin gets made in 5 or 10 years time and this forum's otakus of the future try to compare it to Akashicverse because it "looks similar".
Actually, judging from the demo, this game has a pretty good chance at excelling Hellsinker. It's basically what Radio Zonde would be if it was finished, and I've always liked RZ as much as HS, if not more. It's hard, it has great music, it's heavy on stratgy but still demands basic bullet dodging skill to 1cc. Unless the creator managed to screw up the last few stages, I think the final product should be at least as good as HS, if not better.
User avatar
LtC
Posts: 571
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:03 pm
Location: Finland
Contact:

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by LtC »

Subterranean Sun wrote:
BPzeBanshee wrote:The shadow of Hellsinker is indeed large now, but who's to say this game won't have a bit of a legacy some years down the track? I will have a chuckle for sure if a doujin gets made in 5 or 10 years time and this forum's otakus of the future try to compare it to Akashicverse because it "looks similar".
Actually, judging from the demo, this game has a pretty good chance at excelling Hellsinker. It's basically what Radio Zonde would be if it was finished, and I've always liked RZ as much as HS, if not more. It's hard, it has great music, it's heavy on stratgy but still demands basic bullet dodging skill to 1cc. Unless the creator managed to screw up the last few stages, I think the final product should be at least as good as HS, if not better.
I second this. I'm really looking forward to this game myself.
User avatar
BPzeBanshee
Posts: 4859
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:59 am

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by BPzeBanshee »

That's certainly possible too. I'm not swaying to either side (+/-) at the moment until I get a hold of the full game though, that way I can do my best to play this with an open mind and not some pre-conceived idea of what game this game will be like, other than what I experienced in the Web trial.
User avatar
O. Van Bruce
Posts: 1623
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:50 pm
Location: On an alternate dimension... filled with bullets and moon runes...

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by O. Van Bruce »

BPzeBanshee wrote:That's certainly possible too. I'm not swaying to either side (+/-) at the moment until I get a hold of the full game though, that way I can do my best to play this with an open mind and not some pre-conceived idea of what game this game will be like, other than what I experienced in the Web trial.
We'll only have to wait and see. In any case, this won't have anything to do with Hellsinker even if it's a better game than it.
User avatar
SuperSoaker360
Posts: 746
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:19 am

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by SuperSoaker360 »

Subterranean Sun wrote:Actually, judging from the demo, this game has a pretty good chance at excelling Hellsinker. It's basically what Radio Zonde would be if it was finished, and I've always liked RZ as much as HS, if not more. It's hard, it has great music, it's heavy on stratgy but still demands basic bullet dodging skill to 1cc. Unless the creator managed to screw up the last few stages, I think the final product should be at least as good as HS, if not better.
Now this has peaked my interest. I haven't actually tried Radio Zonde myself so I guess I'll look into that game sometime down the road then.

EDIT: Playing more of Akashicverse and I can't get over how badass that pulsing warning sequence for the boss is.

THE SAME TYPE CONTACT RECEIVED
CONTACT BEGIN
>ACCESSING . . .
1CC List | YouTube Channel | Twitter | RebKMG/KMG
RegalSin wrote:Wait a minute, everything else is better then an aerodactyle, with a man face on it.
User avatar
Lord Satori
Posts: 2061
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:39 pm

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Lord Satori »

O. Van Bruce wrote:
nasty_wolverine wrote:To be honest, I am with muave...
though this game seems really good, and i would like to get my hand on it if i could...
but this is no where near hellsinker... only people who have played the hell out of hellsinker will understand what I am saying...
there is only one HELLSINKER
Image

tfw HELLSINKER 2
huh? what's tfw mean?

also, don't mention a hellsinker 2. false hope isn't a good thing.
BryanM wrote:You're trapped in a haunted house. There's a ghost. It wants to eat your friends and have sex with your cat. When forced to decide between the lives of your friends and the chastity of your kitty, you choose the cat.
Cadrin
Posts: 89
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 11:11 am
Location: GRAVEYARD HQ

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by Cadrin »

"tfw" = "that feel(ing) when"

I'm not going to say the H-word, but you know that there are some similarities. Judging from the PV, it doesn't seem like the game has changed much from the latest Comiket demo, which is a bit worrying. I was kinda neutral about the music and the graphics. I'm not sure about the former, but the latter doesn't seem to have improved much. We'll see in a couple days.
Observer wrote:PHALAEONOPSIS EX MACHINA IS READY. GO!
Moth orchid ex machina, eh? What does that even mean?
To be continued. See you false memory syndrome...
User avatar
nasty_wolverine
Posts: 1371
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:44 pm

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by nasty_wolverine »

it looks like they took all of hellsinkers weapons systems and put it in one character, since they didnt want to use gazilliion keys on the keyboard, they put in the command system, but it definitely plays more similar to radio zonde than hellsinker... i think the only things they borrowed are the weapons, the LSD feel of the backgrounds and HUDs, and the music, honestly the music sounds some hellsinker themes sped up or slowed down...
Elysian Door - Naraka (my WIP PC STG) in development hell for the moment
User avatar
SuperSoaker360
Posts: 746
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:19 am

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by SuperSoaker360 »

EDIT: Moved the post over to the General YouTube Shmup Thread.
Last edited by SuperSoaker360 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
1CC List | YouTube Channel | Twitter | RebKMG/KMG
RegalSin wrote:Wait a minute, everything else is better then an aerodactyle, with a man face on it.
User avatar
O. Van Bruce
Posts: 1623
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:50 pm
Location: On an alternate dimension... filled with bullets and moon runes...

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by O. Van Bruce »

asdasdasdasd

Cadrin, noooooo, it means The Face When
User avatar
nZero
Posts: 2608
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:20 am
Location: DC Area
Contact:

Re: ∀kashicverse -Malicious Wake

Post by nZero »

O. Van Bruce wrote:asdasdasdasd

Cadrin, noooooo, it means The Face When
No, he's right. You wanted to use mfw (my face when)

Now let us never speak of this again.
Image
Post Reply