Dodonpachi Saidaioujou

[moozooh]

A bad-ass bullet hell aimed at REAL MEN

Is that really the image of an average Japanese arcade-goer? I was under the impression most of them aren't even close to "manly". If anything, Cave knows its own main audience quite well.

[Eaglet]

Is that really the image of an average Japanese arcade-goer? I was under the impression most of them aren't even close to "manly". If anything, Cave knows its own main audience quite well.

Naaah. The average arcade goer in Japan seems to be the mostly regular dude.
CAVE's niche appeal (aside from the challenge itself, which attracts the regular pros) seems to mostly try to cash in on the casual gaming otaku market who care more about how "moe" characters are than how the scoring systems work etc.
That is; people who get a boner out of having themselves called "master" by a fictional character.

[moozooh]

Naaah. The average arcade goer in Japan seems to be the mostly regular dude.

But are they manly?

[KAI]

They are

Arcade gamers


Casual gamers


Learn the difference.

[ChainsawGuitarSP]

If we knew what kind of shottype this new "loli" had, this discussion wouldn't have to be brought up again. PRIORITIES.

[Eaglet]

But are they manly?

That depends on your definition of manly.

If we're talking insane biceps and huge full beard then: no.
I do believe the japanese consider salarymen to be manly though.

[evil_ash_xero]

I thought this whole JP Loli thing to be pretty sad...and then a bunch of fucks over here started watching My Little Pony.

Sad times: World Wide.

[Formless God]

This is reaching Touhou-secondary level, it's embarrassing. I expected you guys to be gentlemen who could give less than a fuck about irrelevant things such as what your character looks like in the Character Select screen. Does being a loli (whose sprite you shouldn't even be looking at according to Eye Movement In Shmups: Babby Edition) somehow make you unable to dodge the blinking dots? Perhaps the loli would give your ship inertia and weird control issues? Perhaps the loli would cause uint overflow and score inconsistencies and ruin a perfectly playable game?

I never thought I had to post this outside of GameFAQs.

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

I know right, why would anyone be tired of seeing half naked 9 year old girls if they are just on the character select screen. Who cares if it's one step away from breaking child porn laws in countries that don't sell used panties in bubblegum dispensers if it's only on a cut scene. It's a cut scene cmon. If they put child porn in the gameplay then it would be different. As it stands these are games I want to share with my family.

[trap15]

I'm sorry, the only game out of CAVE where they actually look 9 is Deathsmiles. All of the SDOJ characters at least look like teens, at youngest. They're not loli, they're just not adults. I don't see why this is that huge of a deal, though I personally would prefer BEEFY MUSCLY MANLY MEN, or even Ketsui-ish character designs. You see the character's face a few times, and you see their body for, what, 5 seconds? while you pick your character. Out of a 30 minute game, that's 0.3 percent of your total game time.

tl;dr: stop bitching and play the damn games.

[Hagane]

This is reaching Touhou-secondary level, it's embarrassing. I expected you guys to be gentlemen who could give less than a fuck about irrelevant things such as what your character looks like in the Character Select screen. Does being a loli (whose sprite you shouldn't even be looking at according to Eye Movement In Shmups: Babby Edition) somehow make you unable to dodge the blinking dots? Perhaps the loli would give your ship inertia and weird control issues? Perhaps the loli would cause uint overflow and score inconsistencies and ruin a perfectly playable game?

I never thought I had to post this outside of GameFAQs.

I guess some people here have to interact with other human beings and are afraid to play games aimed at pedophiles in front of them, but it's just a wild guess.

[EmperorIng]

Who else but a loli is going to be there for you when you mess up and break your stage-long chain?

EDIT: off of Hagane's posts, that's why I like the Gunbird games. Lord knows who those are aimed at, but dammit I'm one of them.

[kid aphex]

The female form, and shmups...
I never saw this as a problem.
Though, admittedly, I wouldn't mind if the females were rendered a bit older,
or with a bit more class/style/talent.
I'd love to see character select/promo art done by Hajime Sorayama
(http://bit.ly/jy3zPX)

Or, if the pedophilia must persist, at least move beyond it and really push some real boundaries
I'm thinking Trevor Brown (http://bit.ly/SOmFfe)

[matrigs]

actually why can't it be that the cave staff is just a bunch of lolicons who LIKE having underaged girls in their games.

[O. Van Bruce]

The female form, and shmups...
I never saw this as a problem.
Though, admittedly, I wouldn't mind if the females were rendered a bit older,
or with a bit more class/style/talent.
I'd love to see character select/promo art done by Hajime Sorayama
(http://bit.ly/jy3zPX)

Or, if the pedophilia must persist, at least move beyond it and really push some real boundaries
I'm thinking Trevor Brown (http://bit.ly/SOmFfe)

very few people like non-atractive and non-colorful designs in japan...

PD: Inb4 the new char is a trap...

[Special World]

actually why can't it be that the cave staff is just a bunch of lolicons who LIKE having underaged girls in their games.

I'm fairly certain they've stated this in interviews.

There's a boundary that they could cross where it would make me uncomfortable, but so far they haven't really done it in the games. It's a stylistic choice that probably turns a lot of Westerners off the games, but other than that I don't see it as a huge problem. As far as the style is concerned, I think Cave is tasteful about it in the games themselves.

ED: I guess "tasteful" is stretching the definition of that word. But still, I think the games are within the boundaries of acceptable taste. For most of them, I don't really think the content will bother anyone unless they're already aware of what lolicon is. That would be my defining line. Kind of like how a book is tasteful if you can't really figure out what's going on in the sex scenes.

[shmuppyLove]

The female form, and shmups...
I never saw this as a problem.
Though, admittedly, I wouldn't mind if the females were rendered a bit older,
or with a bit more class/style/talent.
I'd love to see character select/promo art done by Hajime Sorayama
(http://bit.ly/jy3zPX)

Or, if the pedophilia must persist, at least move beyond it and really push some real boundaries
I'm thinking Trevor Brown (http://bit.ly/SOmFfe)

I thought the art in Deathsmiles was pretty risqué, given the age of the characters; hell the back of the arcade flyer has a bizarre skirt-flipping game.

[GhostSeed]

Dengeki has a interview up today with the producer for the 360 version.

http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/556/556662/

Anyone care to translate/share any info from the interview?

[KAI]

Trends come and go, this loli shit is going to stop sometime (I hope), but right now I'm more worried about traps.

I think we need someone like Terasawa working on shmups.

[n0rtygames]

What is this trap stuff people keep mentioning?

I wasn't aware traps were starting to make an appearance in shmups!

[StarCreator]

Details on new character revealed.

Code: Select all

ttp://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org3592589.jpg

Hirano Aya? -_-

Is this image mirrored anywhere? Gone from the original site already.

[HydrogLox]

What is this trap stuff people keep mentioning?

I wasn't aware traps were starting to make an appearance in shmups!

As found in Unofficial Shmup Glossary

Enclosure Attack: (also Trapping Attack) General term for any enemy bullet pattern or other attack which is designed to trap the player’s craft within a very small area, to limit its range of movement. Most commonly used to describe (but not limited to) net-type patterns.

I have no idea at what skill level you have to be at to be able to distinguish between your own stupidity/incompetence versus traps - ultimately your are still in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe we need a "trap thread" so we can learn to recognize them. According to this definition:

Net: (also Grid) A type of bullet pattern which makes use of several criss-crossing streams of shots, which form a “lattice” pattern similar to the stitching of a net. Often covers the entire screen, or most of it. To survive it, the player must watch the incoming shots and quickly judge where the spots in between the streams will be: if he positions himself correctly, he will be surrounded on all sides by the enemy’s shots and unable to move very much (if at all), but can then wait until the attack passes (or, in some cases, be forced to move along with it).

a trapping attack is utilized by the Stage 3 End Boss of Under Defeat (HD)

as those heli-pods are about to send out a lattice pattern of bullet streams.

[StarCreator]

As found in Unofficial Shmup Glossary

... I'm having a very hard time figuring out if you are being serious or sarcastic.

[trap15]

As found in Unofficial Shmup Glossary

... I'm having a very hard time figuring out if you are being serious or sarcastic.

I'd like to say it was a clever troll, but I don't have that much faith in this community.

[HydrogLox]

As found in Unofficial Shmup Glossary

... I'm having a very hard time figuring out if you are being serious or sarcastic.

I've never heard of the term before - so the that is where I start to look - especially as google wasn't any help.

[trap15]

[KAI]

Maybe we need a "trap thread".

[EmperorIng]

Maybe we need a "trap thread".

I'm sure Cuilan would be more than happy to oblige.

[n0rtygames]

I have no idea at what skill level you have to be at to be able to distinguish between your own stupidity/incompetence versus traps - ultimately your are still in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe we need a "trap thread" so we can learn to recognize them. According to this definition:

I really hope this post was a well written sarcastic response to my confusion over genitals in shmups. But I suspect it was worryingly serious...

Allow me to rephrase:

"I was not aware of any shooting games that featured playable characters that were feminine in appearance, but packed a little surprise in the genitalia department"

I assure you, this is not in the Unofficial Shmup Glossary...

[HydrogLox]

But I suspect it was worryingly serious...

A simple misunderstanding ...

RQ: avoiding traps?

... based on the fact that I find a discussion of game play design mechanics that use directed streaming/herding tactics to move the player into an ultimately inescapable position if they always choose "the easy way out" much more interesting that anything associated with lolis.

I guess I should have read a few more posts up to get the entire context ...

I was not aware of any shooting games that featured playable characters that were feminine in appearance, but packed a little surprise in the genitalia department

And I thought this was silly ... Otomedius X Excellent: Ecchi Touching