The BIG thread of Shmup grievances.

[Trevor spencer]

Thinking ive activated a bee icon in DOJ just to realize i didnt hold the laser button for long enough

Oh yeah i forgot to mention , when that Random Power up is floating around the screen and then hits my ship and breaks my chain That just wants to make me scream

[Deca]

laser wheels

It was definitely a tripping point for me, but I promise once you get a grip on the section it's really not bad at all. Take advantage of hyper startup invincibility, you're safe longer than you think. Also popping a manual bomb in there gives you a lot of time to maneuver if you miss one of your moves.

[Obscura]

Rank

There's nothing quite like "oh, hey, I managed to do that better than I ever have before and didn't need my hyper for a screen clear! Oh, there's another hyper dropping directly in the path I need to take. *few seconds pass* Ok, here's the part where I hyper to hold the chain *proceed to get raped by increased rank that I'm not used to from second hyper*."

[DrTrouserPlank]

Rank is pure BS that's for sure. As if these games in general don't have ridiculous enough base difficulty as it is.

I was looking at my shelf full of shmups that I worked hard to find, and collect, and have shipped over to me and it made me realise that my grievance is that I just can't enjoy them, which is a shame. I can't find any enjoyment in just playing them casually (not for any amount of time) but playing them with the intention of clearing them is equally unsatisfying and ultimately just becomes an exercise in self-inflicted frustration because it's not possible. As I've said many times, it's not that I don't like the games themselves, it's that I hate the insurmountable difficulty and it's ultimately that which ruins them for me.

[Randorama]

The last two posts have my approval for an eugenetic treatment for shmups.com.

[mesh control]

sig'd

[RNGmaster]

I'd say that mods need to be more proactive about bans/probations but then I'd probably be a casualty of that policy :V

[Randorama]

sig'd

The Village's committee approves.

Mr. 0.

[RLRBS]

You know you've played too much Touhou when you try to deathbomb in Mushi Futari. -_-'

[Bananamatic]

Third credit, 1 spare life, didn't even figure out where the secret extend is


Time to hit the casino I guess

[Annoyboy]

Even slot machines are easy if you're not playing them at full speed.

[Obscura]

If he's using the version of MAME I think he is, he actually has less slowdown than normal.

More evidence that despite what a few people would like to tell you, natural talent is probably the deciding factor as to whether you can clear something or not. Even after tons of credits, I'm completely unable to do shit with Futari, even Black Label (1.5, I can't even get past the first half of stage 3).

[trap15]

Maybe you should just give up and go do something you're naturally good at, since you obviously don't have the will to actually get better at anything.

Or you can stop being a whiny scrub and actually start working on getting better.

[Randorama]

More evidence that despite what a few people would like to tell you, natural talent is probably the deciding factor as to whether you can clear something or not.

That's why we need more eugenics in this forum.

Die shmuppen genen: ze 1-CC faktor. By Armin Zola.

[O. Van Bruce]

shmup aryan race?

[Captain]

Can't get past the 2nd boss in Ketsui, namely the attack when he fires stuff into the screen's edges and the stuff turns into bullets that go in a crooked pattern.

The rest of the game?
No problem!
But that attack always kills me, hence I never get to the Ura loop.

[Obscura]

Can't get past the 2nd boss in Ketsui, namely the attack when he fires stuff into the screen's edges and the stuff turns into bullets that go in a crooked pattern.

The rest of the game?
No problem!
But that attack always kills me, hence I never get to the Ura loop.

That attack is easy when you know the trick:

When he fires the canister, move to the opposite side of the screen. Watch the pattern; it turns into sort-of vertically oriented "hallways" moving across the screen. Get into the second or third hallway as it stretches down, and move with it, but before you get to the edge, slip into the "next" hallway and move with it for a bit until you get a convenient opportunity to slip into the "next" hallway; after you've done this a few times, the hallways won't reach to the top of the screen anymore, so you can just go out the top and move to the other side, repeat.

[Randorama]

shmup aryan race?

Tomorrow's players. They can 1-CC everything, first credit. Second credit, best possible score, ever. Ever!

I actually have a (pointless) grievance, dammit. Why, oh why early Saturn shmups had poor Yoko modes? I tried to play Batsugun in Saturn mode as I can't tate my current tv, and I always get caught by bullets shot from an off-screen enemy. What the hell?

[man9child]

Gunbird on Saturn had a crap yoko mode too. The only available yoko mode was "wobble," so you either couldn't see the top of the screen if you were near the bottom, and if you backed up or moved foward the bullets seemed to change speed.

[Zengeku3]

Time to hit the casino I guess

That wasn't luck, you just cheated by using a keyboard.

[O. Van Bruce]

Can't get past the 2nd boss in Ketsui, namely the attack when he fires stuff into the screen's edges and the stuff turns into bullets that go in a crooked pattern.

The rest of the game?
No problem!
But that attack always kills me, hence I never get to the Ura loop.

Or just bomb that part... personally, I grieved too much over unwanted deaths on that part so I bombed it just when the second "bomb" hits the other side of the screen.

[Giest118]

Or just bomb that part... personally, I grieved too much over unwanted deaths on that part so I bombed it just when the second "bomb" hits the other side of the screen.

He specifically mentioned trying to get into the Ura loop, which requires no miss AND no bomb.

[O. Van Bruce]

Or just bomb that part... personally, I grieved too much over unwanted deaths on that part so I bombed it just when the second "bomb" hits the other side of the screen.

He specifically mentioned trying to get into the Ura loop, which requires no miss AND no bomb.

Oh... sorry, didn't read that part

[mesh control]

RE: Ketsui's second boss

I found that pattern much easier to dodge when not thinking about moving left or right, but up and down the screen. The pattern disrupts your perception by throwing things at you from a direction not common in shooting games. It's a relatively sparse pattern and not all that fast. Tapping up or down should let you pass through no problem.

Moving horizontally is too risky in that pattern, especially shooting for a corner or specific side of the screen.

my 2 cents

[Captain]

Your 2 cents are appreciated.

[O. Van Bruce]

Raging all day erry day...

from Mshi Black Label Original to Ketsui...

[Deca]

The pattern disrupts your perception by throwing things at you from a direction not common in shooting games.

This is pretty much the majority of ketsui. Most of the difficulty in my experience comes from it being confusing to look at.

[Shimatora]

DonPachi second stage boss. How do you expect me to dodge that?! I must be missing something.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

DonPachi second stage boss. How do you expect me to dodge that?! I must be missing something.

You are, unless you're talking 2-2 boss, then I'm not sure.

I usually play too agressively when I play Ketsui, which ends up with lots of random flying into bullets. Totally my fault there though.

[Shimatora]

DonPachi second stage boss. How do you expect me to dodge that?! I must be missing something.

You are, unless you're talking 2-2 boss, then I'm not sure.

Hahaha, then I MUST be missing something. I'll have to make a savestate later and work out what I'm doing wrong. I'll probably end up kicking myself.