Ketsui Arrange 1.51 (and Mr.Stoic bugfix) is here!

[astroid]

Can't get it to work, I use shmupmame v3.0b and have tried a newe mame release trought CMD.
Am I doing it wrong when Im doing this:

Make a new folder Ket ---> unzip the Ket.zip rom in the folder ---> drag the map in the ketarr.exe ---> rezip the ket folder and lay the zip in rom folder?

try to delete .bak file from folder and zip files inside without your folder.

[z0mbie90]

Thanks that helped

[BeruBeru]

Damn, it could easily been an official black label, it's just pure awesome

[whitey]

Anyone willing to burn it to EEPROM and mail it to San Diego (for a fee)? I need this!

[omgdmp]

Just encountered a pretty awesome bug.
The popcorn planes after the 5th stage midboss kept coming and never stopped... until the dropdown part.
Dunno what caused it but killed midboss at max rank.

[MEDIEVAL_MIKU]

You've found it then Nice going. Now see if you can figure out how you did it!

It seems to be active when the third unused dip switch is turned on.

[trap15]

You've found it then Nice going. Now see if you can figure out how you did it!

It seems to be active when the third unused dip switch is turned on.

You got it

Just encountered a pretty awesome bug.
The popcorn planes after the 5th stage midboss kept coming and never stopped... until the dropdown part.
Dunno what caused it but killed midboss at max rank.

You sure regular ketsui doesn't do that too?

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Would be nice to try out this much-hyped Ketsui Arrange eprom version at Dave K.'s next shmupmeet. Is there a d/l for the DDP Arrange version as well?

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[trap15]

Yes, it's available at http://dodonpachi.daifukkat.su/ddpa/.
Mostly the same patching procedure, just make sure to read the instructions thoroughly.

[Matskat]

So. I love it. Good work Trap.

Now for a question:

How would you recommend keeping both the original ket.zip and your arrange version playing nice in the same folder?
Does that even make sense?

Lets see....for DDPA I just used the ddonpachj.zip, keeping the US version ddonpach.zip intact. In my menus I have both games.
I'd like to do the same w/ Ketsui Arrange. I tried using KETa.zip as my "Arrange" version, but that didn't work...of course

I hope I'm explaining myself clearly. I want to have normal Ketsui and Arrange Ketsui living happily alongside one another...

Any suggestions?

[MEDIEVAL_MIKU]

There's a bug where if you kill the stage 2 midboss too fast, then the stage will keep on looping with the zako tanks and planes forever.

[trap15]

How would you recommend keeping both the original ket.zip and your arrange version playing nice in the same folder?
Does that even make sense?

You could apply the patch to your ket.zip, remove the .bak, zip it, and rename the new set to keta, and keep your old ket.zip as ket.zip.

There's a bug where if you kill the stage 2 midboss too fast, then the stage will keep on looping with the zako tanks and planes forever.

Yikes! If you could make a .inp showing this behaviour (latest MAME, please), I will rush out a patch ASAP

[jepjepjep]

Yes, it's available at http://dodonpachi.daifukkat.su/ddpa/.
Mostly the same patching procedure, just make sure to read the instructions thoroughly.

Would the DDP arrange mode be a simple ROM swap on the pcb too?

[trap15]

Yes, it's available at http://dodonpachi.daifukkat.su/ddpa/.
Mostly the same patching procedure, just make sure to read the instructions thoroughly.

Would the DDP arrange mode be a simple ROM swap on the pcb too?

There are a lot more ROMs changed, but you could probably get away with just replacing the code ROMs (u26 and u27). For that, I believe it's the same, but with 2 ROMs instead of 1.

[Matskat]

How would you recommend keeping both the original ket.zip and your arrange version playing nice in the same folder?
Does that even make sense?

You could apply the patch to your ket.zip, remove the .bak, zip it, and rename the new set to keta, and keep your old ket.zip as ket.zip.

I tried that, and what I get is MAME telling me that "ketsui_prg_revised.bin not found"....

[omgdmp]

You sure regular ketsui doesn't do that too?

No Im not sure but I have an inp of it if you are interested. Just watched it again and theres a MASSIVE slowdown with all those planes. Pretty fun to watch.

[Cagar]

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[jepjepjep]

Yes, it's available at http://dodonpachi.daifukkat.su/ddpa/.
Mostly the same patching procedure, just make sure to read the instructions thoroughly.

Would the DDP arrange mode be a simple ROM swap on the pcb too?

There are a lot more ROMs changed, but you could probably get away with just replacing the code ROMs (u26 and u27). For that, I believe it's the same, but with 2 ROMs instead of 1.

Cool. I should be getting a DDP pcb soon. I'll be sure to try it out and let you know if it works.

[trap15]

You sure regular ketsui doesn't do that too?

No Im not sure but I have an inp of it if you are interested. Just watched it again and theres a MASSIVE slowdown with all those planes. Pretty fun to watch.

Yeah, if you could send me that, I'd appreciate it.

Then I started a HHHHHUUUGGEEE score-combo by killing the popcorns with full rank bar (WHICH IS FUCKING AMAZING YOUR ARRANGE MODE ROCKS!!!!!!)^

I love that too

[Cagar]

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[MEDIEVAL_MIKU]

There's a bug where if you kill the stage 2 midboss too fast, then the stage will keep on looping with the zako tanks and planes forever.

Yikes! If you could make a .inp showing this behaviour (latest MAME, please), I will rush out a patch ASAP

Recorded on Shmupmame 2.2, secret mode entered:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7874919/ket.inp

I could theoretically counterstop the score but I don't think y'all would accept that into the high scores table.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Yes, it's available at http://dodonpachi.daifukkat.su/ddpa/.
Mostly the same patching procedure, just make sure to read the instructions thoroughly.

Would the DDP arrange mode be a simple ROM swap on the pcb too?

There are a lot more ROMs changed, but you could probably get away with just replacing the code ROMs (u26 and u27). For that, I believe it's the same, but with 2 ROMs instead of 1.

Thanks for the cool link & d/l, trap15. It'll be interesting to try out DDP-Arrange on a real DDP PCB setup. At least, this is better than waiting/hoping that Cave'll release their much desired DDP Campaign Version PCB eproms. The ol' DDP CV variant PCBs are still playable at a Cave Matsuri though (but that's not enough to sate the demand for it).

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[trap15]

Then I started a HHHHHUUUGGEEE score-combo by killing the popcorns with full rank bar (WHICH IS FUCKING AMAZING YOUR ARRANGE MODE ROCKS!!!!!!)^

I love that too

But you realized that I'm talking about a glitch, where these popcorn planes keep coming longer than they should?
I'm not sure if that's a bad glitch though....

Yeah, I'd like to see an input or a recording though. Then maybe I can determine if I want to fix it or not

Also another glitch:
The AI on some enemies is stupid. At the end of stage 1, the last bunch of tanks don't even try to shoot you, and the boats before stage 3 midboss do exactly the same.
Playing on shmupmame 2.2 is it possible that it has something to do with this?

Yeah, a few enemies behaved like that before as well (and I fixed them). I didn't notice any other enemies doing such things though, so I didn't look into it too hard. It has to do with the way I modified the rank; some numbers now underflow and go to ridiculous values like 65535 instead of stuff like 0 or 1, so that's most likely the issue. If the rest of these apparent bugs pan out, I'll probably fix those in a 1.1 release.

Recorded on Shmupmame 2.2, secret mode entered:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7874919/ket.inp

Aha, secret mode would be the cause then. I can most likely reproduce this myself then. I'm not sure if I'd be able to fix that though, the same issue would happen on original Ketsui if I set the damage as high as I did in secret mode.

[omgdmp]

http://www.mediafire.com/?68738zdzatrqfsz

Heres an input of the glitch on stage 5.
This is done without secret mode.
Done in shmupmame v2.2 btw

[trap15]

Ah, that's why I wasn't able to get it to run in actual 140, nor in regular MAME...
I can't use shmupmame, could you try and record it on regular MAME?

[Jaimers]

I'll just leave this here.

I'll have a summery of what I think about it later. I did notice a few glaring flaws though.

[Cagar]

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[Observer]

Posting this here too since it's hilarious.
LOOK AT IT AND LAUGH.
http://s17.postimage.org/p2vw5bqf3/doom ... vituta.png

YOUR MISSIONS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lroU5DZ7aZA

[Jaimers]

So yeah this is a pretty fun arrange mode.
It’s not especially difficult though. I mean what made Ura hard was that you had to deal with the suicide bullets. When they’re gone it’s just a -slight- step up from normal.
What I found really weird was that some patterns were even easier than on Ura. For example the second form of the stage 2 boss. Faster but way bigger gaps.
The stage 4 midboss also got pretty shafted in this mode. On Ura those sidewalls are basically nonexistent to make the suicide bullet dodging possible. But now it’s easier on max rank than on low.

In it's current form I don’t see any reason why you would want to fight the bosses on high rank. The patterns are harder than Ura on max rank and not worth the risk at all.
I guess you can use it for the stage 2 boss transition empty lock but that’s it.
What struck me was that you can still raise or lower the rank in the period after killing a boss when you can’t shoot. This seems odd to me and I think it would be better if this was removed.
It’s more risk/ reward this way when you actually have to finish the boss off at max rank in order to start the next stage at max rank.

The damage output also kind of breaks the game. Everything dies before it can do anything.
I mean DOOM is seriously broken easy. On the second phase you don’t even have to dodge anything and the final can be killed with a single bomb.

I saw quite a few bugs. Mainly those aforementioned tanks that don’t shoot in the right direction, they are all over the place.
I think this is because of some distance parameter that was altered to which the AI is aware of you and starts aiming? The Helies before the stage 5 midboss also can't shoot at you if you’re far enough away.
A lot of patterns seem to break at max rank and Evaccanneer is harder than DOOM and the rest of the game combined, it’s pretty silly and broken.

[Cagar]

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