Well... I'm loving the mini so far. If you like the XRGB-3 in B0, the mini is a must buy! I can finally play Wii games with this unit (sharp/clear scaling without lag)! No more shaky v-sync/AFC level to tweak! With future FW updates this unit will only get better.fagin wrote:Well Fudoh has blanked my questions so we will never know!!!!
Input lag was the primary problem. Followed by the fact that my TV doesn't accept the 1080p DVI-D signal. Finally, the PQ is just plain better - no tiny v-sync squiggles! I didn't really notice the red "chroma bug" stated by Fudoh (very slight shift of bright red pixels to the right.. doesn't show up on black and white).SGGG2 wrote:What was wrong with using B0 with the Wii? 480p? 240?
it's PS2-exclusive and not supposed to show up on a Wii or Gamecube or Xbox signal.I didn't really notice the red "chroma bug" stated by Fudoh (very slight shift of bright red pixels to the right.. doesn't show up on black and white).
because you already know the answer anyway. For somebody happy with his XRGB-3 setup, there's hardly a reason to upgrade, but if you don't mind spending the money, I would replace the 3 with a Mini. XRGB-3 *and* Mini in the same setup makes hardly sense.Well Fudoh has blanked my questions so we will never know!!!!
More haste less speed Sir!Fudoh wrote:because you already know the answer anyway. For somebody happy with his XRGB-3 setup, there's hardly a reason to upgrade, but if you don't mind spending the money, I would replace the 3 with a Mini. XRGB-3 *and* Mini in the same setup makes hardly sense.
Edge vs. Mini: I don't see any point in which the Edge would be better.I was not only referring to the XRGB-3 on it's own, but the XRGB-3, EDGE and Optoma.... and whether the mini (assuming the bugs are sorted) could comfortably replace these THREE items, to provide the same performance of each individual sum (240p processing of XRGB-3, 480i deinterlacing of EDGE and scaling of Optoma).
Can you elaborate the differences? Softer, sharper, or pixel pattern - scaling a checkered grid of pixels appears more uniform on the Optoma? What exactly were the complaints about the Optoma? The mini does exactly what I'm looking for with 480p from the Wii.Fudoh wrote:Optoma vs. Mini: 480p processing is better on the Optoma, but the Mini is close. Lately I talked to sombody who bought an Optoma and didn't like the 480p processing at all. He prefered the Gefen for upscaling. I guess the Mini's closer to the Gefen than to the Optoma.
Seems to me the end result differed between B0 and B1. I take it you're specifically comparing B1, right?Fudoh wrote:XRGB-3 vs. Mini: different 480i handling
Mmmm.... Interesting!Fudoh wrote:Edge vs. Mini: I don't see any point in which the Edge would be better.I was not only referring to the XRGB-3 on it's own, but the XRGB-3, EDGE and Optoma.... and whether the mini (assuming the bugs are sorted) could comfortably replace these THREE items, to provide the same performance of each individual sum (240p processing of XRGB-3, 480i deinterlacing of EDGE and scaling of Optoma).
Optoma vs. Mini: 480p processing is better on the Optoma, but the Mini is close. Lately I talked to sombody who bought an Optoma and didn't like the 480p processing at all. He prefered the Gefen for upscaling. I guess the Mini's closer to the Gefen than to the Optoma.
XRGB-3 vs. Mini: different 480i handling
If you can live without the Edge for it's 1080i MOVIE and HD-TV processing capabilities, throw it out. If you can live with the the tiny edge the Optoma has on the Mini for 480p upscaling, throw it out. If you can live with actual 480i processing and not the 480i-CRT emulation of the XRGB-3, throw it out. The only remaining point would the Mini's missing VGA processing. If you want the scanline processing through the Mini you have to use a VGA to component transcoder. If you don't need scanlines you can use VGA to HDMI before the Mini. Both ways it's easier and cheaper than keeping a whole different processor on hand just for VGA.
(Or you can do: DC/VGA > SLG > VGA2HDMI > MINI > TV)
Well, the Edge has more flexible zooming/overscan correction does it not? Wouldn't the Edge also be better for 480i video material? If they fix the PAL support in the mini I was going to keep mine for video (and for the Dreamcast of course) and also for its ability to zoom and pan the picture which can work nicely for some games. I was thinking Framemeister -> HDMI splitter -> Directly to TV and also into the Edge would work nicely.Edge vs. Mini: I don't see any point in which the Edge would be better.
yes. 480i on B0 wasn't acceptable. XRGB-3 480i B1 is a field based linedoubling without any interpolation, while the Mini 480i Game1 mode adds some interpolation as well. Mini 480i Standard is a full pixel-adaptive deinterlacing mode.Seems to me the end result differed between B0 and B1. I take it you're specifically comparing B1, right?
that's good news about the Wii on the Mini. The Optoma wasn't very good with the Wii. It's hard to put a finger on the differences. The Optoma brings out a little more detail, while retaining a very smooth overall look to the picture. The pixels looks more uniform. The Optoma can upscale an 480p image with scanlines to all available output resolutions, while the Mini fails at this test and delivers unevenly distributed scanlines for several output resolutions. I have no complains about the Optoma for what it is: a perfect 480p upscaler. Otherwise it was quite flawed.Can you elaborate the differences? Softer, sharper, or pixel pattern - scaling a checkered grid of pixels appears more uniform on the Optoma? What exactly were the complaints about the Optoma? The mini does exactly what I'm looking for with 480p from the Wii.
that's right, yes, but Edge's scaling engine was't perfect either. If you don't chose straight zoom levels like 0% or 10%, you would get uneven scanline scaling. Also the Mini has got a number of aspect ratio presets, so I can live without a overscan control.Well, the Edge has more flexible zooming/overscan correction does it not?
what do you mean by video material ? Fagin's question was aimed at videogame use only, wasn't it ? The Edge is *way* better for movie processing than the mini.Wouldn't the Edge also be better for 480i video material?
sure, that works. And don't forget that I've got a VP50Pro and a Radiance XE in my setup which I'm keeping all the way.If they fix the PAL support in the mini I was going to keep mine for video (and for the Dreamcast of course) and also for its ability to zoom and pan the picture which can work nicely for some games. I was thinking Framemeister -> HDMI splitter -> Directly to TV and also into the Edge would work nicely.
You sure have one crazy setup, and deep pocketssure, that works. And don't forget that I've got a VP50Pro and a Radiance XE in my setup which I'm keeping all the way.
The Optoma's fantastic for this. I could never give up the ability to 'correct' Mega Drive games and whatnot with perfect scanlines.Fudoh wrote:that's right, yes, but Edge's scaling engine was't perfect either. If you don't chose straight zoom levels like 0% or 10%, you would get uneven scanline scaling.Well, the Edge has more flexible zooming/overscan correction does it not?
Does the mini's 480i deinterlacing compare to the Edge with game-mode off?Fudoh wrote:Edge vs. Mini: I don't see any point in which the Edge would be better.
lol, @ my XRGB set upfagin wrote:Basically..... between Micomsoft and Fudoh, all my scaler "collection" is now worth fuckall pence.
Thanks guys!!!!
it does, but it's much faster and it has tweakable scaling options which allows to process dropshadows fine as well.Does the mini's 480i deinterlacing compare to the Edge with game-mode off?
Jim,jamesoldale wrote:Hey Guys , I'm new around here so the first thing I'd like to say is hello , I'm just getting back into the scene after a few years working away and this forum is my go-to to for my retro gaming fixRGB32E wrote:Well... I'm loving the mini so far. If you like the XRGB-3 in B0, the mini is a must buy! I can finally play Wii games with this unit (sharp/clear scaling without lag)! No more shaky v-sync/AFC level to tweak! With future FW updates this unit will only get better.fagin wrote:Well Fudoh has blanked my questions so we will never know!!!!
Anyway the reason I'm posting ... Quick question for RGB32E
You mention the Mini's pretty great at upscaling a component signal from the Wii and This is exactly what I've been looking for.
Any chance of a couple of screen shots showing the standard of 480p Upscaling on the Wii , I've been looking at the HD3000 as well as waiting for the Mini , It looks like my waiting ( and the advice Fudoh and Fagin have given me ) has paid off , but being a tight British northerner I just want to make sure before I drop a few hundred quid on the Mini that it'll do the job as well as deal with my 240p Sources.
Cheers Fella's
Jim
Get one bought!Optoma vs. Mini: 480p processing is better on the Optoma, but the Mini is close.
