Too close for comfort? the revival?

[Vamos]

Waits for DFK be MAME'able (im)patiently

Cave has requested the sh3 driver is dropped and DFK hasnt even been dumped .... that wait of yours is gonna be a fair time .

[BPzeBanshee]

Somebody please emulate Illvelo successfully please somebody please please

do not cheating please please please
we all know you mean "share the dump of illvelo"

We all know requests for roms are not allowed on this forum lol...but yeah screenshots on the Russian Demul forum do suggest it's dumped and working.

IseeThings has been very transparent about the state of MAME developement in this thread, so is there any chance of similar transparency regarding Demul 0.5.7?

You're funny man.

I asked a few times about the current state of Demul on this thread and have got about as much of an answer as I have about the cease-and-desist letter going public - a whole lot of nothing. I'm guessing we're not going to hear much till there's an actual release.

[JJXB]

Cave has requested the sh3 driver is dropped and DFK hasnt even been dumped .... that wait of yours is gonna be a fair time .

with the sh3 driver source still out there people will still make unofficial builds. and fyi, i'd still play the dfk rom dump if it was out or supported when i couldn't get onto a 360 to play resurrection.

[Vamos]

Cave has requested the sh3 driver is dropped and DFK hasnt even been dumped .... that wait of yours is gonna be a fair time .

with the sh3 driver source still out there people will still make unofficial builds. and fyi, i'd still play the dfk rom dump if it was out or supported when i couldn't get onto a 360 to play resurrection.

Why the fyi? i dont give a fuck what you do good for you? guess what id play it to! now back to the original points the rom is NOT dumped so until it is you will not be playing it .

[ClessxAlghazanth]

People still use Pentium 4 in 2011 (almost 2012) ?...... humm that's Jurrasic computer

You need at least a dual core for mame...... 1 core for windows and 1 core for mame.

You're kidding right? Sure this new stuff requires some beef to run, but pretty much anything non-3d runs fine on anything, even a little netbook. I have been using that P4 as my mame setup in my cab for years, since I upgraded from it with a new main computer. It runs everything fine! Don't forget that not everyone uses the same computer to play games on and do everything else. I'm not interested in dropping money to upgrade a computer just so I can emulate a few games I have already played to death in PCB format.

Especially if you get into older builds of mame, they run fine on stuff even under 1 ghz. It's only in recent times that mame has become a bit more system intensive, but most things still run fine even on low end systems. To say you need at least a dual core for Mame is overkill IMO.

I agree , I also wonder if anyone thinks of backporting the SH3 driver to 0.99 build of mame , which was done for pgm games in Shmupmame. On my old laptop of celeron cpu the official mame slowed down badly for Ketsui , but when I tried Shmupmame 3.0b for same game I got silky %100 all time.
I'm nowhere being a coder or technical expert myself , but can't we get speed increase for newer games by the same method ?How difficult would it be to implement ? I thought it might be worth trying

What do you think ?

sorry for poor English

[Kaiser]

People still use Pentium 4 in 2011 (almost 2012) ?...... humm that's Jurrasic computer

You need at least a dual core for mame...... 1 core for windows and 1 core for mame.

You're kidding right? Sure this new stuff requires some beef to run, but pretty much anything non-3d runs fine on anything, even a little netbook. I have been using that P4 as my mame setup in my cab for years, since I upgraded from it with a new main computer. It runs everything fine! Don't forget that not everyone uses the same computer to play games on and do everything else. I'm not interested in dropping money to upgrade a computer just so I can emulate a few games I have already played to death in PCB format.

Especially if you get into older builds of mame, they run fine on stuff even under 1 ghz. It's only in recent times that mame has become a bit more system intensive, but most things still run fine even on low end systems. To say you need at least a dual core for Mame is overkill IMO.

I agree , I also wonder if anyone thinks of backporting the SH3 driver to 0.99 build of mame , which was done for pgm games in Shmupmame. On my old laptop of celeron cpu the official mame slowed down badly for Ketsui , but when I tried Shmupmame 3.0b for same game I got silky %100 all time.
I'm nowhere being a coder or technical expert myself , but can't we get speed increase for newer games by the same method ?How difficult would it be to implement ? I thought it might be worth trying

What do you think ?

sorry for poor English

Backporting it to Shmupmame v3 is a very very bad idea. That shit is incompatible with Windows 7 mostly, nimitz is too incompetent to fix those issues and poops over modern OS users. Also there are some other issues that have been mentioned before by someone else in other topic regarding Batrider etc.

So in short, it's one of worst ideas suggested due how incompetent nimitz is.

[AntiFritz]

Backporting it to Shmupmame v3 is a very very bad idea. That shit is incompatible with Windows 7 mostly, nimitz is too incompetent to fix those issues and poops over modern OS users. Also there are some other issues that have been mentioned before by someone else in other topic regarding Batrider etc.

So in short, it's one of worst ideas suggested due how incompetent nimitz is.

Shmupmame 3 was one of the worst ideas ever, 2.2 is great though and i used to use it up till this sh3 stuff.

[yosai]

That shit is incompatible with Windows 7 mostly, nimitz is too incompetent to fix those issues and poops over modern OS users.

He's hardly incompetent, he just doesn't give a fuck. Comments like that aren't going to encourage him either.

[BPzeBanshee]

That shit is incompatible with Windows 7 mostly, nimitz is too incompetent to fix those issues and poops over modern OS users.

He's hardly incompetent, he just doesn't give a fuck. Comments like that aren't going to encourage him either.

Comments like *anything* don't seem to be encouraging him to fix it. I don't think anyone really thinks he's stupid per say (I certainly don't; he put in joystick support in GMOSSE when I myself couldn't figure it out) but the incompetence that he is assumed to have from not doing anything about his broken code is, until the man proves otherwise, a fair assumption. Kaiser's just telling it how it is.
The bottom line is if you make a program and don't fix your own issues, you're an incompetent programmer. You don't see me or Kaiser sitting around twiddling our thumbs about our programming faults.

To answer the actual question that started this fork of the conversation, see here - http://shmupmame.wordpress.com/
No updates to the program, no explanation on how he got Batrider lagless like he said in the previous post, just a "butthurt moral police" comment from Nimitz that SH3 in MAME should never have happened and he won't support it in Shmupmame, so no we're going to see a backport of it. Would be interesting if such happened to see how well it works from having a slimmer MAME base though.

[Gus]

I think that post was code for "I'm never updating this shit again."

[Nico87]

Buy real hardware and stop complaining.

Bye.

[trap15]

Everyone here ragging on nimitz is retarded; read his post and actually attempt to process it through your peanut-brain before you say some stupid bullshit.

[Vamos]

Everyone here ragging on nimitz is retarded; read his post and actually attempt to process it through your peanut-brain before you say some stupid bullshit.

+1 its really annoying how disrespectful people are to various mame devs , they dont have to do this shit you know so id rather see a little more gratitude.

[mjclark]

Everyone here ragging on nimitz is retarded; read his post and actually attempt to process it through your peanut-brain before you say some stupid bullshit.

+1 its really annoying how disrespectful people are to various mame devs , they dont have to do this shit you know so id rather see a little more gratitude.

++1
It seems laughable that people who have made fuck all contribution should criticise someone who's put in a lot of work simply because they've set boundaries regarding their own projects.

[Gus]

Nobody is insulting nimitz, just telling it like it is.

[mjclark]

"Incompetent" sounds like an insulting term to me.

[trap15]

+1

Nobody is insulting nimitz, just telling it like it is.

Yeah, him explaining that he doesn't believe emulation of CV1000 is appropriate at this point in time, and his obvious standpoint on not making shmupmame work on the newer Windows versions (hint hint, it's because those suck), totally makes him incompetent and unwilling to ever update again.

[z0mbie90]

I think that post was code for "I'm never updating this shit again."

Not when people write stuff like this.
nimitz do a great job and trying to make stuff people can play on. And start complaining when it takes longer time
or if it maybe don't work like it should don't help him much.

And I think MAME do a great choosie to drop the Cave driver now that Cave asked them to.
Shows that MAME respect them and don't want trouble. So they wait a bit longer.

And I wil be glad to see all this games run in MAME in the future. I don't need them right now, because they are cheap on the 360 and most of them are region-free to

[spl]

nimitz is just a big shmup fan who decided to make a contribution to the community. I'd like to see what contribution some of these people talking shit have made?

[BPzeBanshee]

+1

Nobody is insulting nimitz, just telling it like it is.

Yeah, him explaining that he doesn't believe emulation of CV1000 is appropriate at this point in time, and his obvious standpoint on not making shmupmame work on the newer Windows versions (hint hint, it's because those suck), totally makes him incompetent and unwilling to ever update again.

Maybe I didn't make this clear enough for your inadequate postreading skills, trap15. I have no issues with with his choice of morals, its his project, his decision. If a programmer doesn't want to stick x material into his or her project no one's to say otherwise.

What I actually *am* being critical about, however, is leaving his project broken (and it is broken for various reasons other than it not working on newer Windows releases however crap they are) and then sitting on it while people are laughing at him for apparently not being able to fix them, and on top of that being critical on the MAME work that IS being done because it was "too soon". That there is an insult to programmer ethics, and I think if anyone here is being critical while making fuck all contribution (you know, like zilch, at least I've tried contributing where I can with fillrate values etc) it's Nimitz who as I understand it has had nothing to do with the SH3 stuff.

There is no double standard here, you guys can disagree with me all you want just as much as I can disagree with you. All I'm saying is that he is putting a lot of unnecessary negativity on himself for doing nothing while the buglist rises - so fucking sue me. He could totally blow the real raggers (as in "oh lol Nimitz is an idiot he can't even backport a game without its sprites disappearing", real stupidity like that) on him to bits any time he chose by blowing the 'not doing anything' idea out of the water and show some progress.

[gameoverDude]

While I did check out that driver in MAME, I do understand about Nimitz deciding against backporting the SH-3/CV-1000 driver- given MAME team's removal of it upon Cave's request.

If the exclusion bothers you that much, you still can compile your own or use the pre-existing MAME build. CV-1000 will end up returning someday, just like Tetris TGM2 did- probably minus the 2010 CV-1000D titles.

[astroid]

It's so sad Mame v0.144

[PurpBullets]

It's so sad Mame v0.144

This^
Really everybody should be thankful for the progress up until u9.
It was kind of unbelievable any of that happened.

[Vamos]

Its not the end of the world though there are still worthy pursuits id like to see sorted out ie finally fixing the stage 4 graphics problem in cyvern , sound in wyvern wings (this game is a hidden gem) , the layering issue in shienryu etc.

[ClessxAlghazanth]

It seems Mameplus! doesn't drop the SH3 drivers and keep updating them

http://www.emucr.com/2011/11/mame-plus-v0144-r4932.html

Eagerly watching the developments on mame scene

[IseeThings]

ie finally fixing the stage 4 graphics problem in cyvern

I might fix it if anybody would ACTUALLY TELL ME WHAT'S WRONG rather than moaning in non-specifics.

As far as I'm concerned, aside from possibly a few zooming glitches (and Cyvern doesn't use Zooming) the driver should be correct.

[Vamos]

ie finally fixing the stage 4 graphics problem in cyvern

I might fix it if anybody would ACTUALLY TELL ME WHAT'S WRONG rather than moaning in non-specifics.

As far as I'm concerned, aside from possibly a few zooming glitches (and Cyvern doesn't use Zooming) the driver should be correct.

Unless its fixed in recent mame il go check now, last one i checked on was shmupmame 2.2.

[IseeThings]

ie finally fixing the stage 4 graphics problem in cyvern

I might fix it if anybody would ACTUALLY TELL ME WHAT'S WRONG rather than moaning in non-specifics.

As far as I'm concerned, aside from possibly a few zooming glitches (and Cyvern doesn't use Zooming) the driver should be correct.

Unless its fixed in recent mame il go check now, last one i checked on was shmupmame 2.2.

Well I last touched the driver in June 2008, but at the time I didn't notice any graphical errors. Just use one of the builds people have been posting for the CS3 stuff and see if whatever you're complaining about happens in those because those SHMUPMame builds are based on really old crappy code.

[Vamos]

Aye im gonna check now will clarify shortly.

[IseeThings]

Too bad there's no Recca for mame.......... I guess I could play it on mess? I never tried that emulator.

Why would there be Recca for MAME? It's not an arcade game - it's a Famicom/NES game. Just play it on one of the many NES emulators around.

http://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/2011/11/1 ... ame-0-144/

MAME nes recca