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SFKhoa · Post by **SFKhoa** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:23 pm

Sorry to meddle in to the little name dillema...but...

shift -ace.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:42 pm

The sh word is nowhere in s h i f t a c e's name. It's shift like the controls of an airplane or the key on the keyboard and then ace like the name of a certain Mr. Driller game that totally rocks.

Zach Keene · Post by **Zach Keene** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:46 pm

I believe a few replacement sarcasm detectors are needed around here...

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:55 pm

Defecating on airplane controls now? This place is getting worse by the minute

Pa

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:14 pm

BrianC wrote:The sh word is nowhere in s h i f t a c e's name. It's shift like the controls of an airplane or the key on the key board and then ace like the name of a certain Mr. Driller game that totally rocks.

I believe I said pretty much the same exact thing.

No, nobody here should be shiting on any controls either.

The only reason why God created rabbits, is for bears to wipe their asses with.

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:04 am

I read the sentence with no difficulties.

On the other hand, I didn't associate 'shiftace' with 'shitface' until I read this thread. I thought it was a RTS thing.

greg · Post by **greg** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:10 am

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:PS: If I ever show up, just keep a cool place in the fridge for my beer!!!
We'll all have a good time...although I will "own" you at every shmup.

Thanks for the kind words! And as I've mentioned before, if you ever decide to come out for one of our local shmupmeets, I'm sure we can all gladly chip in $20 to pay for your plane ticket out here. All you will need to do is get to the airport.

And as to the original whining, insulting, immature post of this thread, here's a good reply:

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:22 am

...and I thought I had seen Domo do it all. I was wrong.

As for the old days, I merely give one quote, though not quite so old. Make of it what you will.

"Smell the aroma of the true ding-a-ling king in your house."

EddyMRA · Post by **EddyMRA** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:11 pm

Since we're all discussing the old days of this site, let's all reflect upon Rommel, the ultimate troll, and shudder. Yeesh.

And, most recently, The Master Baiter, and his avatar.

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:12 pm

SFKhoa wrote:
Davey wrote: Wsna't trhee a sduty taht siad you can mix up all the lteters in the mdlide of a wrod and it wlil be cplemlteoy lbleige to the redaer, as lnog as the frsit and lsat letrets are in pcale?
I literally couldn't make out "completely" and "legible" for the moment.
Guess it shows it won't work on ONE out of a few hundred people.

Same here, the rest I could read straight away

This forum needs more Domo Pictures

All you need is Domo- The Beatles
Cant buy me Domo- The Beatles

Krimzon Kitzune · Post by **Krimzon Kitzune** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:41 pm

sffan · Post by **sffan** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:01 pm

Samurai Fox wrote: But am I still wrong? Sometimes I still wonder about it...

No, you are not wrong. God does not keep track of which games you are playing and which roms you have deleted.

I really don't understand these feelings of guilt about playing shmups on a PC, and the whole "morality" perspective on emulation.

llabnip · Post by **llabnip** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:50 pm

Samurai Fox wrote:I'm not a hugh fan of Emulation, but for now it's the only way I can play some of classics like Hyperduel (Technosoft) and Gunbird II (Psikyo).

But I do have morals when it comes to emulation. I NEVER download any recent games, I just emulate franchises that are not available in America

Gunbird 2 is available in America... on the Dreamcast. Gunbird 2 is a recent re-release on the PS2 in Japan (and Europe?). So Gunbird 2 is both released in the US and is a recent release still earning the producers money - this seems somewhat at odds with your morals. Most of us here have not found either copy lying around the local game store - we found them online in the usual places. Does the game cost too much? The re-release isn't too expensive and is in-line with other imports. Cars cost a lot too... if you couldn't afford one, would you steal it?

Is it wrong? Legally speaking, yes. It's stealing and infringes on copyright. Does anyone care? No... and you're never going to be caught, prossecuted or have to deal with any legal issues because you are insignificant in the grand scheme of the infringement problems out there. In short, nobody cares if you do it and anyone that does care doesn't really cares enough to try stop you. So for all practical purposes, you are totally safe (unless you start selling the ROMs for profit or distributing them en-mass in which case someone might take a notice).

So since there is no realistic chance that you'll be dealt with legally it only comes down to morals... which cannot be so easily quantified as the legal side of the issue. Are you okay stealing games that other people created? People rationalize that it's not really like stealing a tangible object - if you don't have money for a car, stealing a car is generally felt to (hopefully!) be unacceptable. But with a ROM, you are getting a copy (of a dumped copy from the original) so the only real impact on the industry is lost sales (if any - older games can be argued that there is no lost sales and then there is the 'I wouldn't have bought it anyway' excuse). There is no loss of a tangible object that was in the possession of someone else. People claim they are not hurting anyone (other than a small financial loss to either the seller or shop in the case of a used game or the distributer/producer/developer in the case of a new game) which may be true and is a valid point. Only your morals can let you decide if what you are doing feels wrong. Beyond that, there may be some positive mental effect of the gamer actually owning the orignal game beyond the legal issues - the original artwork and having something tangible to play on a real console may be more appealing than an image on a hard-drive. It is perfectly possible to play Gunbird 2 on your PS2 or your Dreamcast. There are places online that sell both (and the hardware to play them). So when you emulate that game only your morals can tell you if that's acceptable to you. Nobody here can tell you that it's right or wrong morally since morality is an individual trait that is applied across a spectrum. Your morals either allow you to play it with no guilt, some guilt or lots of guilt and every shade in-between. If one person is not bothered by it doesn't mean we all are not bothered by emulation to the same degree - that just represents a different level of morality on the issue. Morality often comes with excuses or rationalizations - the game costs too much or I'm not hurting anyone by taking a copy of this. One person's excuses or rationalizations shouldn't be globally applied to everyone else. If someone gets out of their car and beats the person in front of them because they were driving too slow they may feel that they were justified in the beating because it was making them late for work. Most (sane) folks would find this rationalization outrageous. Don't look for excuses or rationalizations of others to make a moral decision - decided what you feel is right and then decide if you can live with whatever feelings of guilt (if any) associated with the activity. You are the only person that can decide if it is worth (and I mean worth more than the monetary sense) tracking down and owning legal copies of the games.

I should end by saying that I was a big fan of emulation once but have somewhat switched my personal stance to obtaining originals. I prefer owning the game and playing it on a real console. I don't claim those that use emulation are doomed to hell and I'm not even going to pass judgement since that would be hypocritical, but I do try to encorage people to pick up legitimate games whenever possible as I've found that for many people the personal level of enjoyment goes up for games tracked down and owned. Your mileage may vary.

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:22 pm

I had posted a rather wordy 'copyright infringement isn't theft, and we wouldn't really want it to be, either' arguement here, but then I remembered that one of the reasons I started visiting this site was that I was getting tired of seeing/participating in the same arguements time and again on other sites.

Krimzon Kitzune · Post by **Krimzon Kitzune** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:49 pm

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:57 pm

www.ebay.com It's the new shit.

Thank me later.

Pa

Krimzon Kitzune · Post by **Krimzon Kitzune** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:09 pm

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:16 pm

You have to leave the state to keep your parents from knowing you use the internet to shop for the finer things? Harsh.

Pa

Krimzon Kitzune · Post by **Krimzon Kitzune** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:31 pm

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:46 pm

Is there a Gamestop or Funcoland or something like that anywhere near you at all? Sometimes they have some old DC games or the like there...I got my own Gunbird 2 at one of those for 15 bucks or so.

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:59 pm

How about a friend with an ebay account? I heard that works.

Pa

Krimzon Kitzune · Post by **Krimzon Kitzune** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:59 pm

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:02 am

Jesus christ people, leave shitface alone. He didn't do anything.

As for the rest of this thread, it just sounds like random gaming chat. There should be a thread(or forum) called General Gaming Discussion, as from the looks of it this thread has hopped from one subject to the next a few times.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:46 pm

Samurai Fox wrote:
PaCrappa wrote:You have to leave the state to keep your parents from knowing you use the internet to shop for the finer things? Harsh.

Pa
No no no... what I meant was that I live with my parents, and they don't want me to order stuff from online, because they're afraid hackers would mess with the checking acount and stuff.

The part about leaving Mississippi is just me wanting to get the hell out of there.

Just get one on Ebay. You can probably find someone selling a DreamCast for under $40.00, and Gunbird2( USA version) can be had for less than $20.00 or so.
You can have all this cool shit of the cost of 1 new game for PSPoo.
PLUS, you don't need a "online checking account" to use Ebay. (well, to sell you do)
You can pay with a simple money order!
Look into it.

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