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[PooshhMao]

Hi,

I might not have posted much here but I've been a shmups visitor since it's humble beginnings. I love to read and talk shmups, and I feel the need to vent - just about every post is about collecting, owning, value, ebay, shrinkwrap, rarity, prices, ebay, greedy, having the biggest penis, and emu-bashing.

I miss the good old days where shmups was about dissecting the games, enjoying them, and reading reviews. Malc and postie weren't anal about playing 'the real thing', in it's less than arcade-perfect, degradable form.

Nowadays the boards are overrun by collectoholics who seem to value owning a game more than playing it.

I have no right to tell you people what to discuss, and there might not be that much activity yet, but I hope the shootthecore forums'll be all about playing and enjoying the games again.

Please STOP claiming emulators are evil and inferior - I used to own a chipped Saturn seven years ago or so, and every game I had on that machine is available in superior form on MAME. If you claim playing games through emulation is a soulless experience, please take the time to set it up properly and get a good controller - within ten years, there won't be any working Saturns left, and there goes your 400$ Radiant Silvergun 'investment'.

Plenty people haven't got the luxury here of having plenty of disposable income - me, I have to pay for my own house and own food, and every once in a while I'd like to go out and have a few beers with my mates.

No doubt this'll attract it's fair share of flames - I suspect most of the flamers will be middle-upper class people still living with their mommy and daddy.

[LAshujin]

just about every post is about collecting, owning, value, ebay, shrinkwrap, rarity, prices, ebay, greedy, having the biggest penis, and emu-bashing

Hah, I come here to get away from this kind of talk at NG (where I usually talk it up)

Gameplay discussion is a rarity over there (kind of)

[Bloodreign]

I'm a poor guy myself, games bought by me are few and far between, so i enjoy a little emulation myself. If I had more cash I'd buy more games, I'd love to get my hands on a good old mod chip and Gradius Gaiden, but for now I just play my burned copy on the PC, a mod chip will come for me one day.

Right now I'm saving some cash aside for that Capcom Classic's Collection, Forgotten Worlds and three GnG titles alone are enough to catch my attention, as well as some of the 194X games. Most recent purchase was a couple weeks ago when I snagged the Strider Pack for PSX off of Ebay, thanks to a sniper bid I paid a whopping 35 bucks for the game, when with 3 hours left it was $15.50 U.S.. But I don't regret the money I spent on it.

[ArrogantBastard]

I don't have the money to buy those cool PCB's that every arcade PCB owners seem to have, so I resort to the "evil" MAME to play games that everyone is playing in Hi Scores forum.

For those anti-MAME people: Fuck you. I don't care what you think, so let me say this again: Fuck you.

[Randorama]

There are a "Strategy" and an "High-score" sections, for gameplay discussions, in case you're missing something.Of course, if the question is: "But they receive less attention than threads about spinecards and blah blah", i'd agree, but in the "old days", serious discussions about gameplay were nonexistant, honestly: most of the time was "omg X game is the rox00rz whereas Y game is the sux00rz!!", and the amount of off-topic stuff was close to 90%...so, see you in the Strategy section

[Elixir]

Nowadays the boards are overrun by collectoholics who seem to value owning a game more than playing it.

Thank you.

[dessgeega]

Nowadays the boards are overrun by collectoholics who seem to value owning a game more than playing it.

Thank you.

seconded. (thirded?)

[D]

Nowadays the boards are overrun by collectoholics who seem to value owning a game more than playing it.

Thank you.

seconded. (thirded?)

Nice ARK avator

ps. I don't think any collector on this board will ever admit to that.

I said: "on this board"

[TWITCHDOCTOR]

Well actually, I'm too poor to buy PCB's, but I really would like to.
I feel if I enjoy playing the game that much, I should get myself a nice cab and play the actual PCB. Or at least own the best home port!

MAME is fine and dandy. I enjoy it quite a bit, but most of the time, it doesn't run the game EXACTLY like the PCB would.
We all know about "input lag"...even real arcade parts/controllers couldn't remedy that. Still, even though I own lots of original titles, I often find myself playing MAMEoX/Kawa-X on my modded XBOX instead.

I've also been here for a long time...since 97 or so. (I laugh when people think this site is sorta new) Things were a lot more simplified back then. There was FAR LESS flaming/arguing/bullshit going on, thats for sure. Then again, there were only 20 or so members posting maybe 3 times a week!


You never posted even back then? I'm getting the feeling that you're an older member using a different name for "privacy" reasons.

But yes, I do remember those days when nobody really looked down on emulation. In fact, one could even download Emu's and ROMZ right here at Shmups.com!!!! Go figure!?
Nowadays, if you so much as ask about emulation, chances are you will be stoned to death. (Thanks to Raymond Mckeithen the Turd...I'm mean III)
It was all about playing and enjoying "Wee Spaceship Shooties"... and not the morals of how you aquired them.

Oh well, gotta go, I feel then need to play some more Radiant SilverSpoon...

[Elixir]

MAME is the only way I'm playing ESP Ra.De and apparently, it's pretty damn close to the original, if not better in the visualization department.

[ResOGlas]

MAME is the only way I'm playing ESP Ra.De and apparently, it's pretty damn close to the original, if not better in the visualization department.

I don't understand what you're talking about? Removing scanlines from a 2d game makes it look chunky and inferior. Luckily for you, you can add 75% vertical scanlines in MAME and it at least does a little something for it.


In all seriousness though, fuck this thread. If you're poor and only play MAME, no one's here to yell at you. If you don't like the fact that people collect what you steal, eat one. (yeah, a dick).

[Danny]

I don't think that's what the guy is getting at fellow dodonpachi fan man!... What I think he means that there is to much convo based of the purchase of the game these days as supposed to how the game plays but saying that it may all steams from every body on this board trying to bag a bargin since I'm guessing nobody on this board is a multi millionare!

Myself I do try to support the game producers when ever I can but with my incredably limited funds I don't get the chance to do it very oftern but it's not for the want of trying!

Yeah I'm a console/emu shmup gamer myself although I've managed to pick up a few PC shumps a long the line (non-emu)

Yeah I enjoy shmups I buy them to play them really rather than collectors vaule although I do like a bargin myself...

[umi]

MAME *superior*? Just, no... :/

[ResOGlas]

I don't think that's what the guy is getting at fellow dodonpachi fan man!... What I think he means that there is to much convo based of the purchase of the game these days as supposed to how the game plays but saying that it may all steams from every body on this board trying to bag a bargin since I'm guessing nobody on this board is a multi millionare!

Myself I do try to support the game producers when ever I can but with my incredably limited funds I don't get the chance to do it very oftern but it's not for the want of trying!

Yeah I'm a console/emu shmup gamer myself although I've managed to pick up a few PC shumps a long the line (non-emu)

Yeah I enjoy shmups I buy them to play them really rather than collectors vaule although I do like a bargin myself...

Cool avatar

I understand what you're saying. I played MAME and bought Cave ports for PSX and PS2 up until I got my cab a few weeks ago. I just don't like people bitching about something that doesn't need to be bitched about in the first place. Play the games and enjoy em'. Let people also enjoy having them in their collection. It's very exciting to get that PCB for a game that you've loved in the Arcade/MAME for a long time. Let me tell you, I've played EspRaDe quite a bit on MAME but I just got the PCB the other day and it'sa completely different experience. It's just a very fun experience to have arcade machines in your home.

[Dewclaw]

That's strange...I haven't seen people bashing on emulators around here. Lots of members talk about playing shmups on mame and it's kind of accepted that not everyone can afford the pcbs, isn't it? Where have you been getting this vibe, topic poster?

[Elixir]

I don't think that's what the guy is getting at fellow dodonpachi fan man!... What I think he means that there is to much convo based of the purchase of the game these days as supposed to how the game plays

Wrong.

I don't understand what you're talking about? Removing scanlines from a 2d game makes it look chunky and inferior.

Wrong.

Hmm, that avatar must create stupidity and/or is cursed. I was talking about how realistic ESP Ra.De on MAME is in comparison to the original. Somehow, you both can't see that.

[PooshhMao]

MAME *superior*? Just, no... :/

Arguments plz?

Let me guess, you have a none too fancy PC on a crummy desk, with a cheapo joypad sitting in a not very comfortable chair, whereas your soul-setup is a nice big TV in front of a comfortable couch.

I've never talked to you before, so if I'm wrong, by all means correct the hell out of me.

[PooshhMao]

understand what you're saying. I played MAME and bought Cave ports for PSX and PS2 up until I got my cab a few weeks ago. I just don't like people bitching about something that doesn't need to be bitched about in the first place. Play the games and enjoy em'. Let people also enjoy having them in their collection. It's very exciting to get that PCB for a game that you've loved in the Arcade/MAME for a long time. Let me tell you, I've played EspRaDe quite a bit on MAME but I just got the PCB the other day and it'sa completely different experience. It's just a very fun experience to have arcade machines in your home.

Bull. A completely different experience? You're just trying to justify an expensive purchase to yourself. It's all in your head. I respect the point of view that you do this to support the company that made it - indeed, I'm on the lookout for many CD's I've had MP3 rips of for months - but buying a second or third hand PCB won't make it's manufacturer a penny.

[umi]

This thread wasn't worth giving arguments (you heard the saying "Opinions are like assholes, ...") :P I mean, I can see your point... and I generally don't bash MAME unless someone praises it beyond what it deserves, as is the case with this thread. However you came across a tad too antagonistic towards the purists and the collectors, who both have equally good reasons for doing what they do. Very wrong about my setup... I'm not really a tech freak, but I am very proud of my computer setup, and I should be upgrading or adding a third computer to the household soon. Kinda right about my soul setup though :P I have a... long history of pure video gaming behind me, and a long history of hating certain things about computers in general. Though I am tending towards the collecting darkside these days. Real life, don't ya know? I've always been an anal collector, of something... I think it started with stamps? (original, I know!). Anyway, embrace the differences within the human race, my friend. And have a bitch about it too, because it's your damn right to do so, just as it's anyone else's right to counter-bitch :P

MAME *superior*? Just, no... :/

Arguments plz?

Let me guess, you have a none too fancy PC on a crummy desk, with a cheapo joypad sitting in a not very comfortable chair, whereas your soul-setup is a nice big TV in front of a comfortable couch.

I've never talked to you before, so if I'm wrong, by all means correct the hell out of me.

[PooshhMao]

This thread wasn't worth giving arguments (you heard the saying "Opinions are like assholes, ...") I mean, I can see your point... and I generally don't bash MAME unless someone praises it beyond what it deserves, as is the case with this thread. However you came across a tad too antagonistic towards the purists and the collectors, who both have equally good reasons for doing what they do. Very wrong about my setup... I'm not really a tech freak, but I am very proud of my computer setup, and I should be upgrading or adding a third computer to the household soon. Kinda right about my soul setup though I have a... long history of pure video gaming behind me, and a long history of hating certain things about computers in general. Though I am tending towards the collecting darkside these days. Real life, don't ya know? I've always been an anal collector, of something... I think it started with stamps? (original, I know!). Anyway, embrace the differences within the human race, my friend. And have a bitch about it too, because it's your damn right to do so, just as it's anyone else's right to counter-bitch

You're right, and very much so. Thanks for putting me somewhat in my place. That's the whole point of forums - discuss. I have quite a videogaming history too, having had most of the consoles that were available here some time or another. Playing the real thing does have a certain charm to it, but one I'd be very happy to trade in for the overwhelming amount of benefits emulation offers.

Anyway - to put this thread back on it's intended track somewhat. It's better now than it was half a year ago, but it'd be great if emulation became a non-taboo topic again. Enough about this. Raiden Fighters Jet is the 5H1T!!!!!!!1111

[D]

This thread wasn't worth giving arguments (you heard the saying "Opinions are like assholes, ...") I mean, I can see your point... and I generally don't bash MAME unless someone praises it beyond what it deserves, as is the case with this thread. However you came across a tad too antagonistic towards the purists and the collectors, who both have equally good reasons for doing what they do. Very wrong about my setup... I'm not really a tech freak, but I am very proud of my computer setup, and I should be upgrading or adding a third computer to the household soon. Kinda right about my soul setup though I have a... long history of pure video gaming behind me, and a long history of hating certain things about computers in general. Though I am tending towards the collecting darkside these days. Real life, don't ya know? I've always been an anal collector, of something... I think it started with stamps? (original, I know!). Anyway, embrace the differences within the human race, my friend. And have a bitch about it too, because it's your damn right to do so, just as it's anyone else's right to counter-bitch

You're right, and very much so. Thanks for putting me somewhat in my place. That's the whole point of forums - discuss. I have quite a videogaming history too, having had most of the consoles that were available here some time or another. Playing the real thing does have a certain charm to it, but one I'd be very happy to trade in for the overwhelming amount of benefits emulation offers.

Anyway - to put this thread back on it's intended track somewhat. It's better now than it was half a year ago, but it'd be great if emulation became a non-taboo topic again. Enough about this. Raiden Fighters Jet is the 5H1T!!!!!!!1111

How are the Raiden Fighters games emulated?
flawlessly? glitches?

Oh, I choose couch without a noisy computer

[PooshhMao]

How are the Raiden Fighters games emulated?
flawlessly? glitches?

Improved a lot since the last few updates. It's probably not perfect, but there are no obvious glitches left. And it sounds so goooooood

[PsikyoPshumpPshooterP]

I can bash Mame becuz I buy pcb's and own a modded xbox..

[PooshhMao]

That's ok. We both enjoy shmups

[PsikyoPshumpPshooterP]

That's ok. We both enjoy shmups

Rock on!! errmm..(this aint n-g forum)...I mean yeah,i agree!!

[llabnip]

If you claim playing games through emulation is a soulless experience, please take the time to set it up properly and get a good controller

I did. I went the full distance with MAME. Built a homebrew aracade controller with dual Super-8 sticks and Imperial buttons. Added a short-throw 4-way leaf-stick for games like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong and later a high-quality spinner for games like Breakout and Tempest. I built a machine dedicated for MAME - no other drivers or applications so it ran bullet-smooth - if it didn't, I spent hours tweaking and configuring until I got it right (or as right as it could be). Monitors were big and TATE-able. When I talk about a soulless MAME experience, I mean it. If people dig that experience, that's fine (so long as you're not pirating games that are still viable). I no longer dig that experience and much prefer playing games I have in my collection. I enjoy having the original artwork and instructions. Playing the original Atari Kaboom on a fake-woodgrain 2600 with a clean set of paddles is something that I couldn't replicate. Most games under emulation feel like a xerox copy - if that's fine for you then that's cool. To each, their own.

- within ten years, there won't be any working Saturns left,

That's a ridiculous statement and is poor-sighted speculation. The only weakness of a semi-modern system is the laser and spindle motor - both of which can be replaced. Check back in 10 years. I'll have a half dozen Saturns still up and running. Much of the early laser disc (1982) equipment is still running fine - Of the 12 million Sega Saturn units out there, there will be plenty still around in a decade.

and there goes your 400$ Radiant Silvergun 'investment'.

Silvergun is only $150 and is not an investment. It's a game - brilliant to the core when played on the Saturn and well worth the price paid, IMO.

No doubt this'll attract it's fair share of flames - I suspect most of the flamers will be middle-upper class people still living with their mommy and daddy.

Aww... that's just meany-greeny. I'm going upstairs to tell Mom right now.

[D]

If you claim playing games through emulation is a soulless experience, please take the time to set it up properly and get a good controller

I did. I went the full distance with MAME. Built a homebrew aracade controller with dual Super-8 sticks and Imperial buttons. Added a short-throw 4-way leaf-stick for games like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong and later a high-quality spinner for games like Breakout and Tempest. I built a machine dedicated for MAME - no other drivers or applications so it ran bullet-smooth - if it didn't, I spent hours tweaking and configuring until I got it right (or as right as it could be). Monitors were big and TATE-able. When I talk about a soulless MAME experience, I mean it. If people dig that experience, that's fine (so long as you're not pirating games that are still viable). I no longer dig that experience and much prefer playing games I have in my collection. I enjoy having the original artwork and instructions. Playing the original Atari Kaboom on a fake-woodgrain 2600 with a clean set of paddles is something that I couldn't replicate. To each, their own.

- within ten years, there won't be any working Saturns left,

That's a ridiculous statement and is poor-sighted speculation. The only weakness of a semi-modern system is the laser and spindle motor - both of which can be replaced. Check back in 10 years. I'll have a half dozen Saturns still up and running. Much of the early laser disc (1982) equipment is still running fine - Of the 12 million Sega Saturn units out there, there will be plenty still around in a decade.

and there goes your 400$ Radiant Silvergun 'investment'.

Silvergun is only $150 and is not an investment. It's a game - brilliant to the core when played on the Saturn and well worth the price paid, IMO.

No doubt this'll attract it's fair share of flames - I suspect most of the flamers will be middle-upper class people still living with their mommy and daddy.

Aww... that's just meany-greeny. I'm going upstairs to tell Mom right now.

Do you have hands on experience with buying another non-video game non-sega equipment and putting it in the Saturn?

question 2 will they still be available?

How easy is it to change it.

I don't think it is doable. Prove me wrong please, somebody anybody please

Perhaps that handheld NEO GEO dude can do it.

Nice point about the saturn not working in 10 years.

Dreamcasts of me and friends are on the verge of death.

PS and Saturns still work.

I guess for PS it's no problem since it has backwards compatability.

Sega should release a new console and rerelease all Saturn games

Why do I use two enters after every sentence? I only do it on this board. I'm an asshole

[Krimzon Kitzune]

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[llabnip]

Do you have hands on experience with buying another non-video game non-sega equipment and putting it in the Saturn?

No - then again, I've not had a Saturn (US model 2) die yet. I have several spare Saturns for parts - that's the easiest way to replace the laser and motor since you know it's the right match. The swap is easy if you've ever taken apart the unit (for cleaning, region modification, etc). With 12 million of these things out there, there will always be spare parts. I have replaced the laser on my PSX - that took 6 screws and 10 minutes - the Saturn setup is not much more complex. A spare parts Saturn will cost you under $20 (and if you search, probably under $10) and a laser/motor in non-use (well, the motor should be spun infrequently to keep it from settling) will last indefinitely. The rest of the components will outlast us all. Have no fears, you'll be able to play games on a Saturn in 10 years.

[Marc]

I did. I went the full distance with MAME. Built a homebrew aracade controller with dual Super-8 sticks and Imperial buttons. Added a short-throw 4-way leaf-stick for games like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong and later a high-quality spinner for games like Breakout and Tempest. I built a machine dedicated for MAME - no other drivers or applications so it ran bullet-smooth - if it didn't, I spent hours tweaking and configuring until I got it right (or as right as it could be). Monitors were big and TATE-able. When I talk about a soulless MAME experience, I mean it. If people dig that experience, that's fine (so long as you're not pirating games that are still viable). I no longer dig that experience and much prefer playing games I have in my collection. I enjoy having the original artwork and instructions. Playing the original Atari Kaboom on a fake-woodgrain 2600 with a clean set of paddles is something that I couldn't replicate. Most games under emulation feel like a xerox copy - if that's fine for you then that's cool. To each, their own.

Now to me, that sounds sweet.
Installing a shit loads of roms would be a waste, but to play my 20-30 favorite coin-op's on that baby... yeah, I could live with that.