Too close for comfort? the revival?

[Iori Branford]

So I'm guessing there's 0% chance of source to compile a OS X version, eh?

Wait for the next SDLMAME OSX release.

[shmuppyLove]

If I didn't say it before, a massive massive thanks to all those involved with MAME and getting these games dumped and emulated.

I had never even seen the newer stuff like Pork, Futari, Death Smiles, Espgaluda II, let alone played them. Muchi Muchi Pork is just bizarre ... Death Smiles is also somewhat odd, but in a "Gothic Lolita" way, not a "sexy sexy pigs" way.

Anyway, thanks again!

[TheSoundofRed]

So I'm guessing there's 0% chance of source to compile a OS X version, eh?

Wait for the next SDLMAME OSX release.

I like to compile my own MAME versions as I always have hangups with 64-bit versions even though I have a 64 bit system. Might be a problem with my kernel, but I'm not entirely interested in investigating it.

Are the .diffs on the MAME homepage the latest changes that allowed the SH3 titles to be played? Sorry I haven't been paying much attention to the MAME scene as of late.

[Nasirosuchus]

If I didn't say it before, a massive massive thanks to all those involved with MAME and getting these games dumped and emulated.

I had never even seen the newer stuff like Pork, Futari, Death Smiles, Espgaluda II, let alone played them. Muchi Muchi Pork is just bizarre ... Death Smiles is also somewhat odd, but in a "Gothic Lolita" way, not a "sexy sexy pigs" way.

Anyway, thanks again!

Here, here!

You guys have done an excellent job with your work in MAME. I had seen plenty of videos and heard about how awesome these games are, but I'd never played them up until now. Death Smiles has become my first ever Cave 1cc as well as my first ever horizontal shmup 1cc.

If only I can get my thing together with Mushihimesama Futari Black Label. I keep getting demolished so badly by that third level boss. It's an embarrassment. I go into that fight with everything perfect. Lives, score, and then I just get beaten into submission.

[shmuppyLove]

Also, I'm curious as to how the builds that have been posted here are different from official releases. Someone mentioned proper multi-threading support before, is that all it is?

Mushihimesama in MAMEUI32 143u7 tops out at about 75%, without sound. The last command-line build that was posted manages 100% in basically all the games (except for a few hiccups here and there, especially MMP) with sound. AND seems to have less input lag. Graphics look a bit better too. Also, food seems to taste better. I'm just floored.

Are there any disadvantages to using it over the official builds?

[IseeThings]

The builds being posted here ARE official builds, they're just newer than the u7 build.

[kevenz]

Now i'm getting 100% with sound most of the time of every games...... not sure what was wrong yesterday.

Finally I can play these japanese only games for the first time

[BPzeBanshee]

The builds posted here are "bleeding edge" releases compiled from the absolute newest code that's on the MAME dev's private SVN, which may have had stuff added/modified hours or even minutes ago.
Think of the releases here as "interim" builds between u7 and u8 releases.

@Metallic/Haze: Thanks for the info, I thought it must've been something like that. Getting to try some of these games in MAME has certainly changed my mind about some of the titles, and being able to ask questions about the intricacies of this openly has helped me understand MAME and emulation in general a lot more.

While we still have communication with people involved with Demul here, what is the current status of it? I don't suppose we can expect a release any time soon, but I am curious to know what's holding it back (by previous comments posted some time ago I presume its nothing to do with the Cave SH3 but more likely the Atomiswave or something else).

[kevenz]

Private? hummm well....

I actually compiled my mame64.exe myself...... downloading the mame master from the git and compiling with mame compiler 64.

Now I just need pinkswts

[BPzeBanshee]

The GIT repo is a public mirror of the private SVN, as I understand it.

[the.borg]

Strange thing is I get "missing rom or chd" for Futari10, Futari15 and Futariblk. Even though I'm supposed to have the 1.43u7 version of the Roms...

I almost regret to have bought futari on x360

Oh and I need muchi muchi pork on mame, can't find it GRRRR

[Barrakketh]

I almost regret to have bought futari on x360

I don't see why someone should regret supporting the developers of a game.

[moozooh]

Yeah really, everybody loves getting things for free, but you don't have to be so cheap to one of the best shooters of the last decade.

[Gus]

He probably has a very casual interest in the genre I'm guessing. Otherwise I can't see how he'd regret having access to high-res graphics and those awesome leaderboard replays.

[the.borg]

Yeah really, everybody loves getting things for free, but you don't have to be so cheap to one of the best shooters of the last decade.

I'm not cheap, I'm poor. And that's not overstating things !
What do you think crossed my mind when I saw most of the games I bought on the 360 were being emulated and that I juste spent two hundred bucks for NOTHING. I actually bought the games because I thought they wouldn't be emulated before 4-5 years atleast so I wanted to enjoy them in a reasonable timeframe. (it's not the devs that get the money on a 40$ game, the publisher and retailer get the most juicy part, and I'm not for feeding the already big ****)

And @ Gus
I'm bad at shmups, I can't clear Dodonpachi, can't 1CC deathsmiles, get owned at tyrannosatan for instance.
Only 1cc of mushi futari is Novice Ultra....
But I'd say I have a slightly higher than casual interest of the genre, hell It's the only games I enjoy playing nowadays.

But to correct you, in futari and deathsmiles for instance the supposed "high-res" graphics are just the "ship" sprite and some other fonts that have been revamped, 99% of the sprites and background art have just been SCALED up.

[Vamos]

So poor you can afford a 360 and cave shmups for it? you dont know what poor is .

[AntiFritz]

Yeah really, everybody loves getting things for free, but you don't have to be so cheap to one of the best shooters of the last decade.

(it's not the devs that get the money on a 40$ game, the publisher and retailer get the most juicy part, and I'm not for feeding the already big ****).

Cave self publish their ports in japan afaik.

[the.borg]

So poor you can afford a 360 and cave shmups for it? you dont know what poor is .

It's the only thing I bought for myself over the last 8 years or so!

[moozooh]

I'm not cheap, I'm poor.

It's the only thing I bought for myself over the last 8 years or so!

I thought adults were supposed to have the capability to solve their financial problems by exercising some kind of effort. Like getting a (better) job, or cutting down on less important expenses (arguably the easier way). More often than not it's a problem of laziness, because those who are used to earning goods by effort evidently have no problems or regrets paying for their games.

Also what makes you think you can't still sell your system and discs to have around half your money back?

I juste spent two hundred bucks for NOTHING

So you didn't enjoy the games? The fun you've had until now is nothing, a completely worthless time expenditure? Does any other kind of fun you get in life come for free, putting games like this at a disadvantage?

[Keade]

So poor you can afford a 360 and cave shmups for it? you dont know what poor is .

It's the only thing I bought for myself over the last 8 years or so!

Then you probably don't have an i5 to play the game on MAME (do you ?), so your Xbox 360 still has some use even for these games only.

Oh, and thanks to everyone involved in getting these games running I won't be able to play them until I get another PC (unless someone makes a recompiler maybe), but it is still nice to know I will one day be able to play Mushi and Ibara on my PC instead of my PS2.

PS : love your sig', moozooh ^^

[BPzeBanshee]

Looks like the moral compass party showed up.

[Kaiser]

Indeed BP, they DID SHOW UP!

[Gus]

I don't have a problem with piracy, in fact I pirate all the time. But outright regretting the fact that you supported a company is just dumb.

[mjclark]

I thought adults were supposed to have the capability to solve their financial problems by exercising some kind of effort. Like getting a (better) job, or cutting down on less important expenses (arguably the easier way). More often than not it's a problem of laziness, because those who are used to earning goods by effort evidently have no problems or regrets paying for their games.

In the UK we have a saying: "Get off that cross, somebody needs the wood"
If I PM you can you lend me £20?

[Sumez]

So poor you can afford a 360 and cave shmups for it? you dont know what poor is .

It's the only thing I bought for myself over the last 8 years or so!

So be proud of it. It's an excellent game, and now you own it. Regretting support of the developers doesn't make any sense.

[Bananamatic]

hey, I don't regret buying Gunbird 2 either despite finding it rather shitty

[mjclark]

When the print runs of Dux and Thunder Force VI have ended and they become lucrative collectors' items I will fish them out from behiind the book case and not regret having bought them either...
...having said that, Soldner-X Himmelsturmer Limited Edition has ended its print run and is still worth fuck all. I've got three sealed copies of that lol

[shmuppyLove]

Strange thing is I get "missing rom or chd" for Futari10, Futari15 and Futariblk. Even though I'm supposed to have the 1.43u7 version of the Roms...

I almost regret to have bought futari on x360

Oh and I need muchi muchi pork on mame, can't find it GRRRR

I started with a full 142 set, then updated to 143, then updated to 143u7, and everything is working. All the different revs. of Futari, Ibara, MMP, etc.

You really have to learn how to use clrmamepro, it's essential for stuff like this. ROM names, dumps etc change constantly with different MAME builds, and clrmamepro is the only way to manage it properly.

[moozooh]

Looks like the moral compass party showed up. :P

In the UK we have a saying: "Get off that cross, somebody needs the wood"

I will not go into lengths describing how idiotic your reaction is, so read carefully.

First, nobody is vilifying piracy here. I was, and remain, in favor of SH3 emulation, and followed Demul development. And now that we've gotten that out of the way...

Coming to this thread to whine about regretting your purchases and justify something with poverty while simultaneously
a) implying one has both an X360 and a computer able to run an SH3 emulator at full speed (some poverty right there),
b) not even beginning to think that the money spent hasn't been thrown away, but rather given one plenty good time and a physical asset one can still sell,
...is disrespectful to both the emulator developers and Cave, beside just being short-sighted and immature. The ports are better because they're better, regardless whether they help Cave or not.

So please get that annoying kindergarten shit out, all three of you.

[emphatic]

I juste spent two hundred bucks for NOTHING.

This made my week.