My first time playing Cave's DoDonPachi

[Zengeku3]

I wonder what Zengeku thinks of Futari BL Maniac or God.

I enjoyed Futari BL Maniac and 1cc'd it on 2nd try or something. God mode looks pretty fun but I don't want to go serious about that before I replace my standard controller with something that actually works. For me that is. I don't like the default D-pad at all.

[Matskat]

For Maikeru_Rocks,

Just wait until you try out a real DDP PCB, then there's no going back once you get bitten by the arcade PCB bug. It's happened to me and I have no regrets myself.

True story:

Saw an Astro City cab with DDP up & running at a Japanese game center with a price tag of 50 yen back in late April of 2000. Proceeded to the money changer machine and put in a 100 yen coin and out popped two 50 yen coins in the coin chute tray. Went back to the ol' AC cab and sat down to try it out properly. It was pure shmup heaven to be able to try it out in it's orignal arcade PCB iteration as it was meant to be played. The experience of playing the real PCB deal doesn't compare to playing it on Mame (or even Raine emulation) back in the day. Vowed to myself that one of these days I'd get a DDP PCB for my own private arcade stash when the time/situation was right. Fast forward a few years later, did finally snag a DDP PCB to play. I wasn't a stranger to playing the original USA version Donpachi PCB at a local arcade back in 1995 either (that was an rare exception for an American indy arcade to be stocking a DP PCB though back in those days -- the owner was into stocking arcade shmups for some variety & change of pace to draw in the hard-core shmuppers as well).

Why not give both Dodonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou and DDP-DOJ Black Label shmups a spin on Mame/Mame32 or on the ol' Xbox (to see how well they fare compared to DDP)? The addition of the Hyper option adds a new wrinkle to the classic DDP gameplay/game mechanics quite easily.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

What he said....go on wit yo bad self. Nobody here was willed into existence with inborn knowledge of the greatest shmups evar...discover at your own pace....you'll be amazed at what you'll find on your own. I love this forum, but some of these dudes are fuckin' pricks.

I skipped everything past PC Engine Fan's post - I assume everyone who thinks they're elite dogged you for playing and enjoying Ikaruga?...Hrm...

[PROMETHEUS]

I have a modded emulated Xbox with the japanese arcade game DoDonPachi, man I'm lost for words what a incredible shmup. I feel like I'm in heaven, playing DoDonPachi gave me the ultimate rush, now I can't put down the joystick...DoDonPachi rocks!

The same thing happened to me a bunch of years ago and I still haven't put down the keyboard !
Although now I'm playing the sequel.

[PROMETHEUS]

It was pure shmup heaven to be able to try it out in it's orignal arcade PCB iteration as it was meant to be played. The experience of playing the real PCB deal doesn't compare to playing it on Mame (or even Raine emulation) back in the day.

Back in the day, but now the PCB actually has graphics bugs that MAME corrected !
I say just set up MAME properly and it plays better.

[Paradigm]

It was pure shmup heaven to be able to try it out in it's orignal arcade PCB iteration as it was meant to be played. The experience of playing the real PCB deal doesn't compare to playing it on Mame (or even Raine emulation) back in the day.

Back in the day, but now the PCB actually has graphics bugs that MAME corrected !
I say just set up MAME properly and it plays better.

[PROMETHEUS]

It was pure shmup heaven to be able to try it out in it's orignal arcade PCB iteration as it was meant to be played. The experience of playing the real PCB deal doesn't compare to playing it on Mame (or even Raine emulation) back in the day.

Back in the day, but now the PCB actually has graphics bugs that MAME corrected !
I say just set up MAME properly and it plays better.

[Paradigm]

We already know you have a hard-on for MAME since it lets you cheat with save-states for faster practice, but don't try to pretend that it's actually an overall better experience than playing on a nice cab with proper controls and a lovely crisp arcade monitor, because you're talking out of your arse.

[Bananamatic]

don't forget to throw a quarter out of the window every time you press F3

[PROMETHEUS]

We already know you have a hard-on for MAME since it lets you cheat with save-states for faster practice, but don't try to pretend that it's actually an overall better experience than playing on a nice cab with proper controls and a lovely crisp arcade monitor, because you're talking out of your arse.

(you can play MAME in a cab with whatever controls you believe are proper and your lovely arcade monitor, stupid)

[Zengeku3]

We already know you have a hard-on for MAME since it lets you cheat with save-states for faster practice, but don't try to pretend that it's actually an overall better experience than playing on a nice cab with proper controls and a lovely crisp arcade monitor, because you're talking out of your arse.

Cheating... or just valuing your time. Call it whatever you want. Also, some people actually thinks the keyboard is a hell of a lot better than controllers or sticks.

And really, there is no such thing as cheating in practice. The goal is getting better at the game. However one accomplishes that is completely irrelevant. Claiming that certain methods of practice is cheating is just nonsense.

don't forget to throw a quarter out of the window every time you press F3

I need to camp outside your window. Could be a lucrative time spenditure.

[finisherr]

I can't believe you just busted out a reference to the Room.

[finisherr]

memorization is a curse word

all shmups are memo and you won't get anywhere without it

The kind of memorization I'm talking about is the one where every single frame of gameplay is something you have carefully planned and memorized. Having to remember where there are bees, the correct timing with which to grab them, when you kill something, when you don't kill something, where you have to be 30 seconds into the stage, and where you have to be three seconds later. All that stuff.

I play shmups to dodge wicked patterns. If I need to memorize where enemies comes from to avoid them properly then that's okay. I just don't like it when the only route to a decent score is a static route you could probably program a robot to pull off for you.

agreed

[spl]

Cheating... or just valuing your time. Call it whatever you want. Also, some people actually thinks the keyboard is a hell of a lot better than controllers or sticks.

And really, there is no such thing as cheating in practice. The goal is getting better at the game. However one accomplishes that is completely irrelevant. Claiming that certain methods of practice is cheating is just nonsense.

I wouldn't consider that stuff cheating but the playing ground is definitely not level. In Japan you need to go play at the arcade and submit your scores - everybody has to do the same.

On this forum, some people use diff input devices, some people use savestates, etc etc etc. But this is hardly like an official Arcadia competition or something is it?? It's just for fun. Of course if it was an "official" competition like in Japan published in magazine then these input devices/savestates would be banned.

[Gus]

Cheating... or just valuing your time. Call it whatever you want. Also, some people actually thinks the keyboard is a hell of a lot better than controllers or sticks.

And really, there is no such thing as cheating in practice. The goal is getting better at the game. However one accomplishes that is completely irrelevant. Claiming that certain methods of practice is cheating is just nonsense.

I wouldn't consider that stuff cheating but the playing ground is definitely not level. In Japan you need to go play at the arcade and submit your scores - everybody has to do the same.

On this forum, some people use diff input devices, some people use savestates, etc etc etc. But this is hardly like an official Arcadia competition or something is it?? It's just for fun. Of course if it was an "official" competition like in Japan published in magazine then these input devices/savestates would be banned.

And you don't think those WR holders use ports/emulators to practice their games? Sometimes they even upload replays on the leaderboards.

[Zengeku3]

I wouldn't consider that stuff cheating but the playing ground is definitely not level. In Japan you need to go play at the arcade and submit your scores - everybody has to do the same.

On this forum, some people use diff input devices, some people use savestates, etc etc etc. But this is hardly like an official Arcadia competition or something is it?? It's just for fun. Of course if it was an "official" competition like in Japan published in magazine then these input devices/savestates would be banned.

Good luck banning savestates in your own practice at the game. You can argue so much about the illegitimacy of applying alternative input devices but the savestate argument is really just stupid. Its not like we people that use savestates use them when playing for a 1cc or playing in a competition. Its only for practice. Of course that means we aren't on equal ground as the people stubbornly being exclusively arcade players but that doesn't mean its an unfair manner of practice. Its like complaining about that dude who wins the bike race because he only won because he practiced more efficiently.

Oh and the input device issue is also dumb. I don't believe there is any input that is better than the other really. Its just about what you prefer. Therefore a 400M score in DDP is a 400M score regardless of what input has been used, be it a controller, a keyboard or the 'intended' arcade stick.

[autopilot]

I can relate to this. I've actually owned DoDonPachi (and Battle Garegga) for Sega Saturn since 1998. But I only played a few times back then and never got into it because the yoko mode looked awful on my tv. I didn't know about tate mode or that you could flip your tv on the side. I did play the heck out of Radiant Silvergun and Soukyogurentai though.

Now over 10 years later I'm getting back into my old games and discovered this forum. I have a 29" RGB monitor with MAME+soft15khz so games run at their native low resolution. Looks brilliant!

[dunpeal2064]

I can relate to this. I've actually owned DoDonPachi (and Battle Garegga) for Sega Saturn since 1998. But I only played a few times back then and never got into it because the yoko mode looked awful on my tv. I didn't know about tate mode or that you could flip your tv on the side. I did play the heck out of Radiant Silvergun and Soukyogurentai though.

Now over 10 years later I'm getting back into my old games and discovered this forum. I have a 29" RGB monitor with MAME+soft15khz so games run at their native low resolution. Looks brilliant!

I actually prefer Garegga on the Saturn, but that sounds like a nice setup!

Garegga shouldn't even have a Yoko mode, its nearly impossible to play without putting in TATE.

Totally jealous of your RGB monitor though!

[spl]

And you don't think those WR holders use ports/emulators to practice their games? Sometimes they even upload replays on the leaderboards.

Some of them do, but most of them don't. Remember Japanese make WRs normally well before ports are released. Of course there will be slight improvements over time but the overall formula is normally already determined in the arcades.

Good luck banning savestates in your own practice at the game. You can argue so much about the illegitimacy of applying alternative input devices but the savestate argument is really just stupid. Its not like we people that use savestates use them when playing for a 1cc or playing in a competition. Its only for practice. Of course that means we aren't on equal ground as the people stubbornly being exclusively arcade players but that doesn't mean its an unfair manner of practice. Its like complaining about that dude who wins the bike race because he only won because he practiced more efficiently.

Oh and the input device issue is also dumb. I don't believe there is any input that is better than the other really. Its just about what you prefer. Therefore a 400M score in DDP is a 400M score regardless of what input has been used, be it a controller, a keyboard or the 'intended' arcade stick.

Hey, I have no problem with practicing with savestates. I normally do it when I get really stuck somewhere. Input device is debatable. It's like playing racing games without a wheel or DDR on your keyboard. I guess for these sort of games it's less important.

My only point was - if this was an OFFICIAL comp then all this stuff would be banned. That is all.

The keyboard DDP score done by PROMETHEUS is still awesome and I saw in the Casino vids he could do the same score with stick anyway with a bit of practice. The keyboard does make tap dodging much easier.

[Erppo]

My only point was - if this was an OFFICIAL comp then all this stuff would be banned. That is all.

Again, what is preventing the pros from practicing at home? Or are you claiming that their scores would not be accepted if they got chaught practicing with savestates? I hope none of these auctorities watch KET's stream and see him using savestates in Garegga!

[spl]

My only point was - if this was an OFFICIAL comp then all this stuff would be banned. That is all.

Again, what is preventing the pros from practicing at home? Or are you claiming that their scores would not be accepted if they got chaught practicing with savestates? I hope none of these auctorities watch KET's stream and see him using savestates in Garegga!

Not sure what you mean mate? I'm talking about official Arcadia rankings. You'd need to play in a specific game center just to qualify. So you can "practice" at home with savestates no problem but you won't be making any official records there. They won't be accepted.

Many pros practice at home and even make superplays from home like HFD in the DOJBL superplay.

[BPzeBanshee]

[Erppo]

Not sure what you mean mate? I'm talking about official Arcadia rankings. You'd need to play in a specific game center just to qualify. So you can "practice" at home with savestates no problem but you won't be making any official records there. They won't be accepted.

My mistake then, it just seemed to me that you bundled savestates to the "all this stuff".