That bitch Lucas announces Star wars on Blu Rayz

[Skykid]

Noooooooo

Oh ffs. Lucas really is a complete bellend.

I'm with Hitler.

[neorichieb1971]

I watched all 6 now. I don't see what the issue is, the rebellion still win.

[NTSC-J]

Still haven't seen Episodes II and III.



And before anyone says the third one is ok, you can save your breath. Shit is not ok.

[sven666]

Still haven't seen Episodes II and III.

you havent missed anything, just take your hollywood experience and imagine what would happen? thats EXACTLY what happens

star wars for me is just like the C64 and amiga, fond childhood memories with stardust sprinkles best left untouched.
itll be a cold day in hell before i pick any blu-rays of this shit up, i saw the original trilogy a million times as a kid anyways, definetly enough to fill my lifetime-quota.

[Skykid]

star wars for me is just like the C64 and amiga, fond childhood memories with stardust sprinkles best left untouched.

Nicely put, and totally agreed.

[CMoon]

star wars for me is just like the C64 and amiga, fond childhood memories with stardust sprinkles best left untouched.

Nicely put, and totally agreed.

Once you take out the nostalgia, Star Wars aint shit but a bunch of dicks.

[Udderdude]

star wars for me is just like the C64 and amiga, fond childhood memories with stardust sprinkles best left untouched.

Nicely put, and totally agreed.

Nah, the original trilogy is still really fun to watch. I've done so recently. ROTJ is where Lucas was starting to shove his influence around a little too much (Ewoks!) but it's still not a bad movie by any stretch.

[greg]

Yesterday, a coworker brought From Star Wars to Indiana Jones, a big book covering the three SW movies and the three IJ movies. Looking at the models of the space ships and sets of the original three Star Wars movies, all of the space ships looked so real because they were weathered, worn, and used. Lucas made a point to make sure everything looked like stuff was commonplace in the universe, and well worn. Dust streaks and grime on the space ships, areas on the Millenium Falcon that had been damaged, etc.

But that's totally gone with the new movies. Everything is so shiny and new. This reflects Lucas's idea of how the old times were, an unrealistic portrayal of the silver age. He's made movies like American Graffiti and Tucker because he loves the cars of his childhood. But have you ever noticed that whenever you see a period drama of the '50s or '60s, the cars always look so brand new and shiny? They're all beatiful, immaculately restored cars from auto clubs and such. Not everybody in the '50s drove a brand new, shiny car. But this sort of misinformed view of how things were greatly affected the SW prequels, with shiny space ships and everything looked so new. The Repubic had lasted forever, but apparently everyone was flying in brand new space ships. I think the yellow Naboo fighters were an homage to a Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers design, but what separates Star Wars from those old cheesy shows is that it's supposed to look real.

A part of what made Star Wars so real and believable was lost on Lucas himself, apparently.

[Mischief Maker]

Before anyone says anything more about the creativity of George Lucas then vs. now, they need to watch Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/

The main difference between the Originals and the Prequels? The Prequels were 100% Lucas, baby!

[CMoon]

The main difference between the Originals and the Prequels? The Prequels were 100% Lucas, baby!

I think it remains very naive to credit a film to a single person, yet perhaps this is the worst insult regarding the prequels, since they were over-controlled by Lucas. The late 70's and early 80's films are so good no doubt because there were a lot of talented folks working at that time, and Lucas was wise enough (at least for ANH and ESB) to let them do what they did best.

This is what I hate most about Lucas's re-crafting of the films. He can hardly be credited for making them to begin with (certainly not single-handedly), so now he's just altering/destroying the creative decisions of other people. People who I trust (both then and now) more than Lucas.

[neorichieb1971]

Perhaps if Lucas didn't get that "creative control" contract by 20th Century Fox he wouldn't be where he is today.

But I guarantee everyone would be shouting "If SW was made today it would look a lot better"

[ancestral-knowledge]

i don't understand the whole crap you are talking ?
why is everybody here upset about some deleted/ altered scenes in star wars 1-3 that last like 1 sec? So thre is a door here and darth screams "Noo" now ... so what?

Seriously guys... are you all retarded? imagine this thread from a point of view of a woman.. bwahahaha

[GaijinPunch]

i don't understand the whole crap you are talking ?
why is everybody here upset about some deleted/ altered scenes in star wars 1-3 that last like 1 sec? So thre is a door here and darth screams "Noo" now ... so what?

Seriously guys... are you all retarded? imagine this thread from a point of view of a woman.. bwahahaha

wut?

[ancestral-knowledge]

Don't Tase Me, Bro!

[CMoon]

Seriously guys... are you all retarded? imagine this thread from a point of view of a woman.. bwahahaha

LOL.

Anyway, I disagree that these changes are insignificant. Going back to Greedo shooting first (which is now so old it's canon), it fundamentally changes Han Solo's character. I would argue that Vader going 'Nooooooo' does something similar, but that's more ambiguous (and funny). If the changes really are insignificant and only add up to a few seconds, why even make them?

But I guarantee everyone would be shouting "If SW was made today it would look a lot better"

I'd like to believe that isn't true, especially given how many people are groaning over remakes, but wagering on stupidity is always a good call. Never looked at the star trek blu-rays that have all-new special effects.

[dan76]

Seriously guys... are you all retarded? imagine this thread from a point of view of a woman.. bwahahaha

My girlfriend loves the original trilogy - they are her favourite movies, her R2-D2 scream is spot on. She won't watch the special editions because like anyone with any sense she thinks they're garbage.

It's not all good though as she doesn't mind the prequels - I just have to learn to live with that.

[BIL]

I couldn't care less about these movies and I still find that bitch Lucas hilariously retarded.

I'm guessing the "NOOOOOO" thing is an allusion to Episode III because "ITS LIKE POETRY THEY RHYME" right?

[Skykid]

star wars for me is just like the C64 and amiga, fond childhood memories with stardust sprinkles best left untouched.

Nicely put, and totally agreed.

Nah, the original trilogy is still really fun to watch. I've done so recently. ROTJ is where Lucas was starting to shove his influence around a little too much (Ewoks!) but it's still not a bad movie by any stretch.

Eh, I thought Sven was just generalising on the entire original trilogy. As in, it's a wonderful nostalgic thing that doesn't need messing with.

[Obiwanshinobi]

If Phantom Menace was without midichlorians and tacky computer animations, I wouldn't speak ill of it at all. Hardware design is still absolutely top-notch, Darth Maul is a canon dude and the lightsaber duel is canon as well. I like the decadent glamour of the Old Republic as depicted in prequels.
Attack of the Clones had chavvy Anakin and that, I think, turned me off most. Still haven't watched the Revenge...

[dan76]

The Phantom Menace has some of the worst editing in any film I've had to sit through. Pacing, what pacing. Stilted performances, awful physical effects (Yoda???), generic design... Every character is boring, no one has any life - even the haircuts are dreadful! CGI, forget it. Let's not even start on the story because apart from being utter tripe it's one of the biggest missed opportunities to do something really good in the history of film.

A huge global audience waiting - the freedom to come up with whatever his imagination could summon - because CGI means the possibilities are endless kids - and what does he do...

Creativity without any limitations is a bad thing. Who'd have thought.

[Obiwanshinobi]

generic design

Examples?

[Udderdude]

If Phantom Menace was without midichlorians and tacky computer animations, I wouldn't speak ill of it at all. Hardware design is still absolutely top-notch, Darth Maul is a canon dude and the lightsaber duel is canon as well. I like the decadent glamour of the Old Republic as depicted in prequels.
Attack of the Clones had chavvy Anakin and that, I think, turned me off most. Still haven't watched the Revenge...

You really should watch the Red Letter Media reviews to get an idea of just how terrible they are. They open new doors of terrible that I had never even considered, and I already hated the damn things. :P

[greg]

If Phantom Menace was without midichlorians and tacky computer animations, I wouldn't speak ill of it at all.

I'm with Obiwanshinobi. I read the book, and aside from the midichlorians and the virgin birth (seemed to be trying to fit in too many myths and legends with that one), the plot isn't all that bad. A conniving senator manipulates some greedy corporate thugs to beseige his homeworld, manipulating his queen to initiate a vote for a new supreme chancellor, thus ensuring that he gets the sympathy vote and putting himself in charge of the galactic government. The Jar Jar antics weren't too bad, although they go overboard a bit and the "exqueeze me" line was terrible. I was expecting a "baking powder?" followup after hearing that. Those accusing Jar Jar of being a negative racial sterotype seemed to have overlooked the fact that he was played by a black guy. They could have kept the character but not made him quite so cartoony. I liked the concept of a slave boy winning a chariot race in order to save the queen. The underwater city was beautiful as well as the alien technology it contained. Coruscant was beautiful, and I remember reading the Han Solo books as a kid and how it described an endless flow of starship traffic and I could hardly envision it. Seeing it on the big screen was cool. The Yoda puppet was terrible in TPM, so redoing that for the Blu Ray is an improvement for sure. The movies had some decent actors, and the acting could have been better if 1. it wasn't directed by Lucas, and 2. if they had actually built sets so that they weren't standing in front of green screens constantly.

That being said, Ben Kenobi's chat in ROTJ made it seem that Anakin was an established pilot by the time they had met, so I always figured Anakin would've been older in the first movie. Knowing how to drive hot rods and flying space ships are two different things. It really could've been better overall, but I think having way too many years of anticipation buit up really hurt the films. Strike two was having Lucas in full control and surrounded by "yes mans". Strike three was the over-dependency on special effects, which was contrary to what Lucas is on record of saying way back when. As Mischief Maker pointed out, Lucas had forgotten how to make real cinematography. He used to be influenced by the likes of Kurosawa, but now he's just influenced by himself and pursuing his own self interests and not having them questioned.


EDIT: Oh yeah, and also, read about Gary Kurtz and how he got fed up with Lucas after Empire Strikes Back.

EDIT EDIT: Here's the full article on Gary Kurtz. He saw at the time that Lucas was wanting to put the cart before the horse. And now, ROTJ is like Citizen Kane compared to the prequels. Without Kurtz and Kasdan, Lucas was in full control of everything.

[CMoon]

Thanks for the links Greg, they make for an incredibly informative read.

[GaijinPunch]

Francis [Ford Coppola] … had bought the ["Apocalypse Now"] rights so George could make it. He eventually got tired of waiting and did it on his own, of course.”

I know this was before Lucas officially sucked, but wow -- wonder what that would have turned out like? One of the best movies of all time directed by one of those worst directors of all time.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I hereby make one of the most exaggerated statements in the history of verbal communication.

[Moniker]

Those accusing Jar Jar of being a negative racial sterotype seemed to have overlooked the fact that he was played by a black guy.

And this improves things, how? The fact that Bojangles was black doesn't make Shirley Temple movies any less racist. JarJar remains more racist than a minstrel show. Moreover, virtually every alien in the prequels is based on pure racial stereotype. The jewish junkyard owner, the japanese trade federation people, the italian restaurant owner (though to lucas's credit, he mitigates this somewhat with a pirate voice ).

Point being, Lucas just doesn't know how to make unique, original characters anymore and has to settle for caricatures. It's freaking sad that he was either too stupid or too apathetic to realize that a thinly disguised minstrel character would be endearing in any way.

I'm not fond of the race card, or excessive political correctness, but sometimes enough is enough.

[Obiwanshinobi]

How come GTA:SA wasn't racist, but when Total Overdose came along, suddenly enough was enough?

[Moniker]

How come GTA:SA wasn't racist, but when Total Overdose came out, suddenly enough was enough?

Unfamiliar with the reference. But I'd guess the difference is between something *about* racism, vs. something that *employs* racism. It can be a very fine distinction and there are borderline cases. GTA:SA treated the topic of black west coast gang wars. Now, you could certainly argue that it exploited that topic, but it'd be a very difficult argument.

Star Wars doesn't even come into the picture here. The stereotypes are lifted entirely out of context simply to give flavor in absence of imagination.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I wonder if a LotR adaptation produced by Eddie Murphy, starring exclusively black cast, with Samuel L. Jackson as Gandalf, would be considered as racist. The book doesn't say the Middle-earth is a land of white people, does it?
Conan the barbarian was almost certainly white as in Howard stories people of other races are described as such. Not so sure about LotR.