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[PooshhMao]

Well sorry to say, but that's exactly what I did - 7 years ago. I indeed, sold my chipped saturn, to raise cash towards a nicer computer.

And I don't feel the slightest regret about it. A couple of years ago I shared an appartment with an obsessive console freak. He had a japanese white Saturn too, and about one hundred (legit) games.

I had been playing DoDonPachi religiously for years (on MAME), he never even looked at it. He shrieked with naive joy when he laid hands on the clunky, messy, struggle-to-fit-in-RAM Saturn version. Suppose it was this PCs-are-to-type-letters-on mentality he just refused to get rid of.

[CMoon]

..stuff throughout thread...

You have to admit that you HAVE worked in a bit of flamebait (others might say trolling) throughout your posts. I don't feel like that was what you intended at first, but from the beginning it was a loaded argument that concluded with "No doubt this'll attract it's fair share of flames - I suspect most of the flamers will be middle-upper class people still living with their mommy and daddy"; which is pretty hostile from the very start.

This was your first post!!??

I feel like we have a lot of rather trigger happy users, some of which I've seen mellow out a bit over the last couple years and become more constructive. This difficulty however means everyone needs to be a little more open (I try not to be overtly political even though I'm staunchly opposed to our current US president), a little more receptive to what people have to say (better listeners would always be appreciated) and ready to offer alternate viewpoints, not shit your opinion down other peoples' throats. There is a fair amount of that here and I think a good many could chill just a bit.

Afterall, there isn't any prize for winning arguments here (actually you'll probably just fine people stop responding to your posts after a while), so what's the point of getting worked up about it?

[howmuchkeefe]

Re: Collectors who don't play their games

I wouldn't stop anyone from doing this sort of thing, but I wouldn't have a very high opinion of those who did. There's something very dragon-ish about it, appreciation not for the beauty and art of the object, but for its monetary value. It's pure greed.

Re: Emulation

Many people would buy these games if they were readily available at a reasonable price. They are not.

It's copyright infringement, to be sure. Me, I believe that copyright law began getting screwed up the moment it did more than punish those who sold unauthorized copies of the protected item, but oh well. Literally and legally speaking, emulation is not theft. Theft usually requires deprivation. In the case of emulation, the stuff's still there, either being loved and played or mouldering in someone's collection/warehouse.

To claim that each unauthorized copy constitutes a lost sale is ludicrous. All but most zealous emulation user mostly downloads discontinued titles. It would require psychic powers to determine whether such people would have bought the title, even if it were available for sale. Fortune telling shouldn't be a valid substitute for evidence.

It's hard to say "I think I'm right, and here's why" without implying "and you're so wrong, it's incredible". Discussions about this sort of subject are bound to lead to hurt feelings.

[magnum opus]

just sort of a note regarding less gameplay disccussion.
a lot of it goes on in strategy but at the same time, i know i myself and probably several others don't really feel comfortable going:
"yeah the scoring system in ____ is awesome. and i love stage _ when that giant ____ pops up, sweet"
in a strategy thread but at the same time posting in shmup chat about my love of 1941 and asking for tips, seems awkward because i feel that actual discussion of gameplay/strategy/mechanics should go in the strategy forum so i get caught in this problem of the thread not really fitting anything and saying aw fuck it it's not that important everyone already knows 1941 is awesome (which it totally is).

this particularly happens to me in games like 1941/raiden where there isn't really a scoring sytem or rank or deep mechanics, it's just about shooting good.

[system11]

Plenty people haven't got the luxury here of having plenty of disposable income - me, I have to pay for my own house and own food, and every once in a while I'd like to go out and have a few beers with my mates.

No doubt this'll attract it's fair share of flames - I suspect most of the flamers will be middle-upper class people still living with their mommy and daddy.

I pay for the rent on a house, I'll never be able to afford one due to the UK house market and not being an executive waster. I have to pay for my food, bills, car, and so on.

I buy a game instead of some beers and a cinema ticket, or having a new car on finance. I pull overtime when I want extra cash for something. The age demographic here is perhaps slightly older and slightly less loaded than you might think.

[jp]

Personally, I don't care about emulation. For some, its the only way to play tons of games (Raizing stuff, lots of Toaplan, etc.). Hell, I once had a modded Xbox and a disc with tons of games on it including a lot of Cave's games. Personally, I much prefer to just purchase my games since I have a nice job and can afford to. Also, if something isn't convienant (i.e. requires me to buy an arcade cab or "PCBs"), chances are I won't play it unless I have it emulated.


But, given how Radiant Silvergun, Hyper Duel, Game Tengoku, and Battle Garegga all either have a superior Saturn Mode or just extra goodies, its kind of ridiculous to say they are better in MAME (or even in the arcade for that matter).

[The n00b]

The only game I never felt bad about emulating not one bit was metal slug 5. See I used to be a huge metal slug fan. I'd play every one of the games at the arcade...Then metal slug 4 came out. I sunk an enormous amount into a game that turned out to be a coin sink. Needless to say SNK owed me one great metal slug experience to be redeemed at a future date.

I played the hell out of metal slug 5 on mame without any guilt. However I'll most likely buy the metal slug 4/5 pack when it is released on the xbox just because I'm a nice guy...

[dessgeega]

Nice ARK avator

thank you.

[PaCrappa]

MAME, SCHMAME. Get a job hippy!

Pa

[ResOGlas]

understand what you're saying. I played MAME and bought Cave ports for PSX and PS2 up until I got my cab a few weeks ago. I just don't like people bitching about something that doesn't need to be bitched about in the first place. Play the games and enjoy em'. Let people also enjoy having them in their collection. It's very exciting to get that PCB for a game that you've loved in the Arcade/MAME for a long time. Let me tell you, I've played EspRaDe quite a bit on MAME but I just got the PCB the other day and it'sa completely different experience. It's just a very fun experience to have arcade machines in your home.

Bull. A completely different experience? You're just trying to justify an expensive purchase to yourself. It's all in your head.

Bull. You're just trying to justify your penny-pinching ways. It's all in your head. I have an arcade machine, and you have a computer. Are you seriously going to tell me that we have the same "Arcade" experience? Fucking lolz.

I don't understand what you're talking about? Removing scanlines from a 2d game makes it look chunky and inferior.

Wrong.

Hmm, that avatar must create stupidity and/or is cursed. I was talking about how realistic ESP Ra.De on MAME is in comparison to the original. Somehow, you both can't see that.

Scanlines are intentional on low/medium resolution 2D games. Without the scanlines the game may look more clear, but it's also missing lots of shading that keeps the edges of sprites from looking blocky. This is a fact, but I *used* to like playing my older consoles on my HDTV. After awhile the blocky-ness got annoying and I reverted back to playing those consoles on a standard definition TV. Each to one's own, I suppose.

[Elixir]

Here's my inspection of this thread:

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MAME

Welcome to your opinion. This is the gaming world, so of course, people are going to be angsty fucks and make you feel ashamed of your well being just for replying.

[Icarus]

... a very interesting mini-rant...

I have to agree with you, Rando mate. A lot of the hostility is obviously centered around the main discussion areas, where most if not all of the users tend to congregate. When you have such a huge mix of opinions and beliefs, pretty soon those opinions are going to conflict, and that's when arguments start up. While arguments are technically a good thing - they get hot air out of your system; you can debate on issues that affect the community; they can lead to interesting discussions, and so on - it's the manner in which some of the members here push their opinions on others as if they are some kind of gospel that must be followed, or be outcasted, that really grates the nerves.

While I try to respect the opinions of others, and attempt to at least get along with people, while at the same time getting on with what I want to contribute here, there is an increasing number of members who are far too abrasive in their attitudes to others. It is members like these that are somewhat souring the atmosphere around here, an atmosphere that used to be pretty laid back. If anything, if said members acted like that in real life, they either wouldn't even be dignified with a response, or end up being given a knuckle sandwich. (And that's my Geordie background talking.)

While I like to contribute to various threads around the forum, lately I've found myself just hanging around the Strategy and High Score forums, where I can happily contribute without the thread turning into a flamewar, and where the atmosphere isn't as edgy as the main forums.

[shiftace]

While I don't post very much, I do read the forum regularly, as it's mostly SFW and helps pass the time. And I am irritated by the bickering and name-calling, to the point that I've almost told people off over it several times before calming down and remembering that that's not my job and that I don't want the job of moderating (But I thank those who have taken it up).

I realize, after several years of reading newsgroups and forums, that you can't shut someone up on the internet, and you can't make them agree with you by insulting them. So if you accept that those are futile goals, and you still find yourself getting into flamewars, please stop for a moment and figure out why. Do you feel threatened by the assertion of other opinions? Do you get a rush out of feeling witty? Do you want to dominate other people? Etc.

I'll just be over there, playing the hell out of Radio Zonde and whatever else. And maybe I'll win someday.

[Thunder Force]

While I don't post very much, I do read the forum regularly, as it's mostly SFW and helps pass the time. And I am irritated by the bickering and name-calling, to the point that I've almost told people off over it several times before calming down and remembering that that's not my job

Indeed one of the things we've been working on is keeping this forum SFW (Safe For Work - for those who aren't familiar with that acronym) and generally all-ages friendly so that all shmuppers are able to enjoy it. Many of us were kids when we started shmupping.

The abusive name-calling and personal insults to fellow members, (from a few users in particular) are also not being allowed to continue indefinitely. Bans for that kind of behavior are an ultimate measure, which has been used recently. Hopefully warned people will get the message beforehand when they receive their warning to keep their posts civil.

Regards,

TF

[ResOGlas]

While I don't post very much, I do read the forum regularly, as it's mostly SFW and helps pass the time. And I am irritated by the bickering and name-calling, to the point that I've almost told people off over it several times before calming down and remembering that that's not my job

Indeed one of the things we've been working on is keeping this forum SFW (Safe For Work - for those who aren't familiar with that acronym) and generally all-ages friendly so that all shmuppers are able to enjoy it. Many of us were kids when we started shmupping.

The abusive name-calling and personal insults to fellow members, (from a few users in particular) are also not being allowed to continue indefinitely. Bans for that kind of behavior are an ultimate measure, which has been used recently. Hopefully warned people will get the message beforehand when they receive their warning to keep their posts civil.

Regards,

TF

Out of curiosity, can we use the F-Word in non direct offenses? I mean, of course no one needs to be called an f-ing a-hole. But what about saying this game is f-ing awesome? I mean, these words are nothing anyone over the age of 13 hasn't heard (which is what the registration requires). Also, I don't think your co-workers would be as upset at my using the f-word as they would be upset that you are spending time on a video game forum instead of....working.

[ArrogantBastard]

I use the word 'fuck' almost extensively everywhere I post so that should give you an idea.

[Thunder Force]

Out of curiosity, can we use the F-Word in non direct offenses? I mean, of course no one needs to be called an f-ing a-hole. But what about saying this game is f-ing awesome?

Yes we judge matters based on context, and also just try to keep expletives out of subject titles.

[Bloodreign]

I look at it this way, you've got a nice amount of spare cash, spring for a cab or a console port, if you're poor play MAME, and every now and then when cash comes your way, spring for a console port. I've sprung for a few Gradius titles and Strider PSX, if cash opportunities arise, I'll try to spring for R-Type Delta, or R-Types.


Hell if I had a cab or two lying around the house, I couldn't get friends to play any type of shmup, it's like they are allergic to difficult games, I can't even get any of them to play a game of Gradius V with me, even though I have free play unlocked and they wouldn't have to worry about running out of continues (neither would I).

All in all MAME players keep on playing, collector's keep on collecting, it's your god given right.

[TGK]

e the PCB would.
We all know about "input lag"...evWell actually, I'm too poor to buy PCB's, but I really would like to.
I feel if I enjoy playing the game that much, I should get myself a nice cab and play the actual PCB. Or at least own the best home port!

MAME is fine and dandy. I enjoy it quite a bit, but most of the time, it doesn't run the game EXACTLY liken real arcade parts/controllers couldn't remedy that. Still, even though I own lots of original titles, I often find myself playing MAMEoX/Kawa-X on my modded XBOX instead.

I've also been here for a long time...since 97 or so. (I laugh when people think this site is sorta new) Things were a lot more simplified back then. There was FAR LESS flaming/arguing/bullshit going on, thats for sure. Then again, there were only 20 or so members posting maybe 3 times a week!


You never posted even back then? I'm getting the feeling that you're an older member using a different name for "privacy" reasons.

But yes, I do remember those days when nobody really looked down on emulation. In fact, one could even download Emu's and ROMZ right here at Shmups.com!!!! Go figure!?
Nowadays, if you so much as ask about emulation, chances are you will be stoned to death. (Thanks to Raymond Mckeithen the Turd...I'm mean III)
It was all about playing and enjoying "Wee Spaceship Shooties"... and not the morals of how you aquired them.

Oh well, gotta go, I feel then need to play some more Radiant SilverSpoon...

Actually, I think that a lurker who has been at shmups.com from the beginning should know what it was like "back then." I have been lurking on this site and reading reviews for a very long time too, well, since when there were downloadable roms here, and when snes emulation didn't have transparency, or even layer priority yet.

Too bad the flaming is taking over these days, and it also consistently comes from a certain few people. Elitism is totally unexplainable to me, since what does it really do to yourself esteem to brag and belittle others on the Internet?! After all, it is very rare that I will ever meet any of you, and if we do have a chance to meet in person at some point, I would only want to meet those who does not resort to insults on an forum.

So, to all flamers, focus more on your real life, you will find it tough enough that you wouldn't want to incite online riots when you go home.

P.S. I don't expect any of the flamers to listen to me and stop flaming, but well, what the heck, I need to vent my frustration a bit.

[TGK]

MAME, SCHMAME. Get a job hippy!

Pa

ah my friend, you forgot the people who got a job, but pays for their own life, their parents' life, financing a house, etc.

I don't think any of us here, except those rich or haven't been responsible fully for the livelihood of themselves or their family, can justify a $1000 purchase easily.


and I agree to the original poster that this forum lost the general peacefulness that existed years ago. The Strategy section is still good though (I don't post there because I always only play by reflex and make an effort not to have a strategy, so I can't contribute much).

[TGK]

Personally, I don't care about emulation. For some, its the only way to play tons of games (Raizing stuff, lots of Toaplan, etc.). Hell, I once had a modded Xbox and a disc with tons of games on it including a lot of Cave's games. Personally, I much prefer to just purchase my games since I have a nice job and can afford to. Also, if something isn't convienant (i.e. requires me to buy an arcade cab or "PCBs"), chances are I won't play it unless I have it emulated.


But, given how Radiant Silvergun, Hyper Duel, Game Tengoku, and Battle Garegga all either have a superior Saturn Mode or just extra goodies, its kind of ridiculous to say they are better in MAME (or even in the arcade for that matter).

Either that or just hunt down an arcade that has the game. Being in Canada I can't access the newly released arcade offerings, but I am constantly surprised at what you can find when you really go around a lot.

Just for shmups, I have found arcade machines with Area 88 I, II, Striker 1945, the whole 19XX series, ESP rade, Zerowing, Cybattler, Saint Dragon, Raiden 1, 2, Raiden Fighters 1, 2, Jet and many more that I can't remember, in places ranging from swimming pools to pizzahuts, community laundromats, convenient stores, shopping malls, theme park, etc.

The problem with this is that the machines may disappear tomorrow, so if you find it, play the hell out of it.

EDIT: campuses also bound to have a shmup or two floating around.

[Nemo]

MAME, SCHMAME. Get a job hippy!

Pa

Word.

It's already been stated to death, but this topic is completely pointless and baseless. The topic starter likely only read one topic on the entire site, the "post your collection" thread, which is the only thing that could make someone arrive at the conclusion he did. And just because you own a lot of games doesn't mean you don't play them and just because you own a few doesn't mean you do, the bottom line is that most people here do play shooters, a lot, and the ones that don't are the obnoxious trolls that piss everyone off (y'all know who you are). And the people that do own a lot of PCBs and what not work hard for them and are no different than the topic starter other than they have their priorities straight. Just about everyone with a job has extra spending money and while someone like this guy spends his on who knows what, other people save up and spend theirs on shooters. Why? Because it's worth it to them and they are passionate about their hobby, whereas someone like this guy's passion is existent up until the point he actually has to spend money and earn what he is playing. So who is the "real shooter player"?

[Marc]

Ok, so piracy is bad, right. And emulation is basically using a free piece of software to play a game ROM/ISO that you haven't paid for in any way, shape or form (and no, the cost of your PC/Xbox/monthly BB subscription doesn't count). Which would be stealing right? And shoving £/$50 in a cabinet at an arcade doesn't give you the right to d/l the game either, as you were paying for a provided service.

If you want to play DDP or LayerSection, get a Saturn or a PSone and buy the damn game. You don't need to play the Mame ROM, as these are perfectly good home conversions. There's enough affordable console shooters (conversions or originals) to satisfy anyone. Be happy with the games that are available for your console(s) of choice. If you really want to play Batrider buy the PCB and build/buy a supergun/cabinet. I personally refuse to pay the (IMHO) silly prices for AES games. Does that mean I should basically 'steal' these games and play them on an Emu? No, I chose to consolize an MVS and buy the same games, but cheaply. Seems odd that Piracy/ROMs/ISOs are frowned upon, but MAME seems to be accepted as OK?? I'm sure Raizing don't think it's OK you're d/ling their hard work for free. People need to use self control. Just because you have a PC/Xbox that is capable of playing ROMs, that doesn't automatically give you the right to fill the HDD with Mame/SNES/MD whatever ROMs.

Sorry to sound harsh, but the world is a harsh shite place and things just aren't free. Unfortunately, if you want to play Radient Silvergun, its gonna cost you £80-100 or a bit more for an STV MoBo and the cart version.. Sorry, but through no fault of mine, or yours, that's the way it is. If you can't afford it, that doesn't in any way give you the right to burn a copy and chip your Saturn. Currently, I can't play Batrider, Progear etc as I need to build another Jamma rig and sort out a display (either CRT/LCD). I could play them on my Xbox, but that would be stealing (and Xbox isn't for playing games, it's for running XBMC).... So yeah, I'm gonna have to buy the PCBs.

I too have to run a household, X5 BMW, fund a Missus and a 1yr old. And there's another sproglet due in February. All this needs to be paid for, before I even start on my daft videogaming adventures or clothes shopping in Paul Smith. And no, I'm not a collector. I buy these games to play.

But I'm not going to judge anyone, it's not my place. All of the above is my personal opinion. Disagree with me if you want. If you don't want people to judge you, don't mention in posts how you're playing a certain game. Ask about the AC version, or the home version. No need to mention Mame or burned disks at all. Let's get back to talking games. I don't think you should steal games, and I'm sure someone out there would object to this rather um, herbal roll-up I'm currently chugging away on. Each to their own, do as you choose in life (just don't get caught).

I sort of agree, but that view is a touch hardline I feel. Bottom line is, there's a big difference between those that want to pay and those that don't. I am, or was, a collector. Due to shitty personal circumstances, I lost the majority of my gear throughut the course of last year (Neo AES, Saturn, PCE, SFC collections), the only things I have left now are a sizeable Intellivision and DC collection. As such, emulators are getting a lot more use than they ever have before. Do I feel bad? Sort of, but not for the reason you might expect. End of the day, Cave didn't see a cent of the money I paid on eBay for my pre-owned Saturn DDP, neither have they lost any because I now play the same title on Final Burn XXX Similar story with Saturn DonPachi, Layer Section, Garegga etc... so I have no problem playing the emu's. My reason for feeling bad is simply because I used to own the originals, and emu doesn't give me quite the same pleasurable feeling inside when playing, I miss my collection but my shift from 2nd hand Saturn originals to Xbox ROMS haven't affected the companies concerned one jot. End of the day, I know as soon as my life sorts itself out, my collection will gradually increase again.

Those that don't want to pay... well those are the assholes. The people playing burned copies of Border Down, Shiki 2, Trizeal etc... Those are the sort of people that no matter how much disposable income they may have, are never going to pay for something they can get for free. Obviously, the pride of owning original gear doesn't mean the same thing to those people as it does to the majority of gamers.

But again, that's all just my opinion. I can sleep at night, because I know I'm not stealing software that could still be making money for the companies concerned. I've bought the Midway collections, the R-Type's, the SF collections, the Capcom Generations etc... those companies that want to cash in on their history will make their money from me even though I already have the ROMS. I can't wait for the Taito Euro comp, and I daresay I'll pick up the forthcoming Capcom one, even though it's basically a repackaged Capcom Generations. It's the packaging/artwork thing again I guess. I do what I can to support the companies in the here and now, and I don't feel guilty about helping myself to a few slices of history for free. Shit, after buying R-Type for prolly 10+ machines over the years, I figure Irem should send me a fucking cab

[Randorama]

Various things and... you can debate on issues that affect the community...

?Honestly, i really am clueless about this methaphysical entity called "community". This is something more or less anglophonic, to some extent, i'd add. Personally, and i don't claim to represent anything else but me, i just talk with anyone who shares an interest.All the nerve-grating discussions start with the idea that the heterogeneous group of people that like shmups (and there are different ways of liking them) have to share common beliefs in some ultimate truth.Third Strike (the game, not the guy) may be a religion, but shumps are poor material for inquisition, they are a genre with some wild variation in content.

Aside that, such arguments are more about defining the local alpha male than anything else.I would add that most of the witch-hunting is not new, as i remember, very clearly, 4 or 5 years ago, the forum was more like a support group..."omg i suck do you suck too let's hug together against a fictional enemy!" was something like half of the threads.Good players have popped up in the last 2 or 3 years, roughly. With them, some more serious discourses about how to play games for score. Fact is, a good deal of the flames involve demonization of demanding gameplays, and the absurd idea that understanding how a game works is "evil!".

Fact is, "baka gaijins" (please notice the brackets) here go over the tangent when a new game is released, but this tangent is mainly focused about a new fix of their addiction, so to speak.The amount of dissing on how these "beloved" titles work is perfectly proportional the the worshipping of said titles before release.Of course, it's because every single new title is supposed to be the second coming, which happens to be a specific different thing for every individual, and of course the second coming must be "more of the same" of a specific title.In short, a good chunk of rants are based on how unoriginal a game is in adding a new gimmick instead of being a clone of Space Invaders.

While I like to contribute to various threads around the forum, lately I've found myself just hanging around the Strategy and High Score forums, where I can happily contribute without the thread turning into a flamewar, and where the atmosphere isn't as edgy as the main forums.

Ater all, a common trait of "shmups dojoists" is score-hunting,no?Which takes brains and serious analysis of what's going on."Holier-than-thou" attitudes backed by lunatic comments on GFX won't yield high-scores, honestly. Clique-sticky worship of Joker Jun, idem. Demonization of programmers because of given mechanics?Ditto.Cult of the reactionary shmup?As above.

Basic point, if there's no objective things to talk about, discussions can go on forever, they are just are an exercise of inner logic, or proving that your thoughts are completely coherent with your thoughts.Hence, the one who shouts the louder wins.

[/i]

[D]

Hi,

I might not have posted much here but I've been a shmups visitor since it's humble beginnings. I love to read and talk shmups, and I feel the need to vent - just about every post is about collecting, owning, value, ebay, shrinkwrap, rarity, prices, ebay, greedy, having the biggest penis, and emu-bashing.

I miss the good old days where shmups was about dissecting the games, enjoying them, and reading reviews. Malc and postie weren't anal about playing 'the real thing', in it's less than arcade-perfect, degradable form.

Nowadays the boards are overrun by collectoholics who seem to value owning a game more than playing it.

I have no right to tell you people what to discuss, and there might not be that much activity yet, but I hope the shootthecore forums'll be all about playing and enjoying the games again.

Please STOP claiming emulators are evil and inferior - I used to own a chipped Saturn seven years ago or so, and every game I had on that machine is available in superior form on MAME. If you claim playing games through emulation is a soulless experience, please take the time to set it up properly and get a good controller - within ten years, there won't be any working Saturns left, and there goes your 400$ Radiant Silvergun 'investment'.

Plenty people haven't got the luxury here of having plenty of disposable income - me, I have to pay for my own house and own food, and every once in a while I'd like to go out and have a few beers with my mates.

No doubt this'll attract it's fair share of flames - I suspect most of the flamers will be middle-upper class people still living with their mommy and daddy.

Are you trying to break up with us?
Just give us the it's not you it's me routine.

[PaCrappa]

Ah, the internet. That's where we get to see people's neuroses in full color, larger than life. I mean would you believe that right here in this thread, a man who voluntarily calls himself 'shitface' and wishes others to do so as well has complained about all the name calling at shmups. Boo hoo!

MAME, SCHMAME. Get a job hippy!

Pa

ah my friend, you forgot the people who got a job, but pays for their own life, their parents' life, financing a house, etc.

Or maybe, just maybe, I remembered those people, am one of those people and play MAME myself when I feel I have good reason. Maybe, I was using the internet and the precarious interpersonal situation that this ill-begotten, retarded flamebait thread has forced between us to crack a joke. Who knows though? This is the internet and there's not a damn thing funny when somebody gets self righteous at a forum. So I'm probably just being mean and am a part of the problem and not a part of the solution. I mean I do own jamma cabinets and PCBs so I'm probably a dick. Just don't call me shitface.

Pa

[TGK]

ah well, I never tried to direct any self-righteous or snobbish remarks your way. I know it's the internet and we all jokes around, and you would notice my reply to you sounds like a lighthearted thing itself.

the only people that irk me are those who consistently use insults in their replies to directly attack another poster.

[FatCobra]

I'm starting to not like this forum either, I try to voice (or more like preach) my opinions about how lousy most of the mainstream is and mocking "poser" gamers and trying to defend Nintendo, and I get flamed. This is a forum about old vidoegames that uphold the puriest elements of videogaming: twitch-and-score based shooting fun and yet if you bash Halo even slighty people here are all over your ass. *Sigh.....*

[shiftace]

Ah, the internet. That's where we get to see people's neuroses in full color, larger than life. I mean would you believe that right here in this thread, a man who voluntarily calls himself 'shitface' and wishes others to do so as well has complained about all the name calling at shmups. Boo hoo!

Yeah, but, you're the first one here who ever tried to call me a name. I only complain because seeing other people argue might push away people with more interesting things to say. And because I'm not quite detatched enough to live with that.

[PaCrappa]

Easy there shitface. I never called you anything you don't call yourself or would happily ask others to call you.

I'm starting to not like this forum either, I try to voice (or more like preach) my opinions about how lousy most of the mainstream is and mocking "poser" gamers and trying to defend Nintendo, and I get flamed. This is a forum about old vidoegames that uphold the puriest elements of videogaming: twitch-and-score based shooting fun and yet if you bash Halo even slighty people here are all over your ass. *Sigh.....*

You "preach" your opinion over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over which wouldn't be a bad thing except that in the continuum of your opinion people who don't like what you like or feel exactly the same way are like, bad, or dumb or something. You think that doesn't warrant some flames? The internet has given you a voice. Say something intelligent. We don't care if you love Nintendo and hate mainstream gaming. I do too. On both counts. Do I have to tell it a billion times a day to everyone that's willing read a nerdy forum? No. Saves me lots of grief too. Learn that.

Pa