Seriously now, I'm getting sick of them

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:06 pm

Elixir wrote:Since when did I say, exactly, I cared about people and their money? More specifically, it's collectors and people who can't look after their own discs properly that rob that extra last copy from some young, wanting gamer.

How often do you honestly think this happens? How many "hoarders" do you think are out there, as opposed to "real" gamers, and do you really think that the former group has such a dramatic effect on many games' availability that the latter is left sobbing softy, with cobwebs growing over their empty and neglected consoles? I'm hardly a hardcore collector or anything along those lines, nor am I well off enough to buy much on impulse or without looking for a better deal, but I have to say that with a bit of patience I've been able to find and get ahold of the vast majority of stuff I've been looking for on the gaming front, and without breaking my bank. Granted, I'm not particularly fond of the notion of just holding onto stuff without playing it either, but I honestly don't think the practice calls for an empassioned variation on Mrs. Lovejoy's "Think of the children! Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?" If you don't like the practice, fine, but I think it's a bit much to paint it as the scourge of the gaming community.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:12 pm

[quote="Elixir"] More specifically, it's collectors and people who can't look after their own discs properly that rob that extra last copy from some young, wanting gamer.
[quote]
fortunately you're here to look out for your less fortunate "young, wanting gamer" brother.

llabnip · Post by **llabnip** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:49 pm

Elixir wrote:Really now, things like this make me grind my teeth.

It's a collection (and a fine one at that). I assume he enjoys collecting. I, too, enjoy collecting. Now I'm not one for sealed games - I open all new games I get since I want to be able to play them. But others like to keep a sealed copy as part of their collection. Nothing wrong there. Several respected board members buy 2 copies of new shooters - one to open and play, one to keep sealed and both to support the developers. It's their money and their hobby - there is no harm (other than taking one additional copy out of circulation which is what happens to all products once they are bought).

Also, many of us who don't read Japanese enjoy Japanese RPGs. I have a handful - they are bright, they are colorful, the story can still be followed with a walkthrough or even just by following the action on screen and hearing the original Japanese dialog is kinda neat. Most of all, they are enjoyable - both to collect and to play.

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:24 pm

Elixir wrote: And you're telling me I shouldn't bother with US games?

Who did? When? In this thread? I don't see it. You are defensive enough at this point to start making shit up. Perhaps a good time-out and a little nap would ease the paranoia. And the teeth grinding.

Pa

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:25 pm

It's ok to collect stuff, as long as you can use the stuff you collect. This is why car collectors piss me off. It's a f***** car, I don't care if it's a rare 60's Ferrari, it's meant to be DRIVEN. Seriously, if I had a Model T, I would be tooling around in it, not letting it gather dust. Hell, sometimes I daydream about buying an old muscle car and restoring it and then drive the hell out of it. Too bad the world revolves around money......

Likewise, videogame are meant to be PLAYED, not collected and just sit on a shelf. Use it or lose it, as they always say.

russ · Post by **russ** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:03 am

I agree with the statement that buying games just to have them for a collection is dumb and pointless. However, if I don't play something anymore, such as something for an older system, I'll still keep the games and the system as a sentimental sort of thing. And who knows, I may go back to playing whatever it was too. My "collection" is pretty small (especially comared to the massive stockpiles of games I've seen in pictures on this forum), but they're the best games I have played for their respective systems (in my opinion of course) and I don't think one needs anymore than that.

Monkey_Man · Post by **Monkey_Man** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:52 am

russ wrote:I agree with the statement that buying games just to have them for a collection is dumb and pointless.

No less pointless than stamp collecting or TCGs, or really any hobbies that people spend money on. And I hardly see how collecting rare games for the purpose of reselling them later on at higher prices (which I assume is part of the business of "hoarding" them) is pointless or dumb.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:57 am

PaCrappa wrote:
Elixir wrote: And you're telling me I shouldn't bother with US games?
Who did? When? In this thread? I don't see it. You are defensive enough at this point to start making shit up. Perhaps a good time-out and a little nap would ease the paranoia. And the teeth grinding

Wrong.

Unless you're into US games, US is not the market you'd want to focus on.

Unfortunately your reading ability fails you. As said before, collecting games is pointless. What are you going to do with 50 ex-rental Genesis games, or 120 Atari games that the common kid would consider "gay" due to the graphics? There's no real point in thinking that games will become worth something, because if we did we might as well start collecting movies.

llabnip · Post by **llabnip** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:19 pm

Elixir wrote:What are you going to do with 50 ex-rental Genesis games, or 120 Atari games

Build a shrine - homage to the 2600

See 2nd to last pic here.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:08 pm

Oh crap, is that Toejam and Earl: Panic on Funkatron I see?

llabnip · Post by **llabnip** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:13 pm

Elixir wrote:Oh crap, is that Toejam and Earl: Panic on Funkatron I see?

It is... and while I don't agree with everything you say I will admit that you have excellent eyesight!

Most of that 8-bit and 16-bit stuff comes from yard sales... except the Japanese games.

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:31 pm

Elixir wrote:What are you going to do with 50 ex-rental Genesis games, or 120 Atari games...

Oh, I don't know... Play them maybe? That's what they were made for. Is there some kind of deadline? I play a 20 year old Super Mario Bros cartridge in 2005. It's very likely that I will one day take the shrinkwrap off my Umihara Kawase Syun and play it. What's wrong with having it on a shelf until I'm ready? I can't play videogames when I'm 50? 70? Even if they're not worth money?

What the fuck makes you so bitter? And about other people's hobbies.

Pa

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:38 pm

PaCrappa wrote:
Elixir wrote:What are you going to do with 50 ex-rental Genesis games, or 120 Atari games...
Oh, I don't know... Play them maybe? That's what they were made for. Is there some kind of deadline? I play a 20 year old Super Mario Bros cartridge in 2005. It's very likely that I will one day take the shrinkwrap off my Umihara Kawase Syun and play it. What's wrong with having it on a shelf until I'm ready? I can't play videogames when I'm 50? 70? Even if they're not worth money?

What the fuck makes you so bitter? And about other people's hobbies.

Pa

Thanks a bunch for proving my point. Games should be played, not collected.

I'm not talking about buying a few games and having one or two sealed before you're ready to play them. I'm talking about people who intend on having them sealed indefinitely so that they can.. er.. have their body buried in a pile of sealed games, or something.

It is... and while I don't agree with everything you say I will admit that you have excellent eyesight! Wink

Most of that 8-bit and 16-bit stuff comes from yard sales... except the Japanese games.

Toejam and Earl 1 was a great game. Panic on Funkatron was a great game too, though not as good. I think I see Ecco and a Super Metroid cartridge in there too. What's the japanese game in this picture top right, with the pink text? I thought it might of been Puyo Puyo.

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:01 pm

Elixir wrote:I'm not talking about buying a few games and having one or two sealed before you're ready to play them. I'm talking about people who intend on having them sealed indefinitely so that they can.. er.. have their body buried in a pile of sealed games, or something.

Okay, fair enough. I agree that that's a bit... I dunno, pointless? But it's like feeding caviar to a dog. You're not going to reason with people who think something like that is the best way to spend their money/effort/time. "Live and let live", as was once said by a very tolerant person. I mean, I'm sure you're still able to find what you want to play. If so, what's the problem here?

And the game in question is either Puyo Puyo 2 or Puyo Puyo Sun. I think it's 2 though. JP Steep Slope Sliders? LOL!

Pa

llabnip · Post by **llabnip** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:27 pm

Elixir wrote:I think I see Ecco and a Super Metroid cartridge in there too.

Yes, those are in there (both Ecco games in fact). Both TJ&E games are in there too - there is a row of games behind those row of games (not enough room).

Elixir wrote:What's the japanese game in picture top right, with the pink text? I thought it might of been Puyo Puyo.

That's Puyo Puyo TSU for the Saturn. I also have Puyo Puyo SUN. Both are top notch games that may be amongst the best puzzle games ever made. I prefer Puyo Puyo SUN (It's an ST-V game so the port is godly) over TSU slightly... but the "battle all 30+ characters in the game" mode of TSU is very worthwhile.

PaCrappa wrote:"Live and let live", as was once said by a very tolerant person.

Well, it probably wasn't Paul McCartney. I'm a big fan of 'to each, their own'. It's just a hobby - so long as it's not harming anyone.

PaCrappa wrote:JP Steep Slope Sliders? LOL

Heh! Well, you know the saying... Kling akhlami buhfik - Saavik-kam

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:52 pm

Is that Klingon?

I just associate that particular game with this one particular rabid fanboy. He was sure to mention at any and every opportunity how much he hated ALL snowboarding games and said the usual condescending stuff about people who enjoy them. He was of course The World's Biggest Cave Fan (in his own mind) and thought that he was king of the universe because he knew about ESPrade and the employees at Game Crazy didn't. Well one day he found out from Gamefaqs that Steep Slope Sliders was developed by Cave. He got mad at me for not telling him (I had a game shop at the time) and rushed right in to buy it. I assume he's lived happily ever after. I mean if you're gonna have a snowboarding game, I'm sure there's no better way to experience the genre than by playing the crappiest 32 bit one ever.

Actually, this story fits right in with this thread. I know he's never played that fucking Steep Slope Sliders for more than three minutes, four years ago.

Pa

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