Too close for comfort? the revival?

[kernow]

Koreans are congenitally incapable of orgasm unless they touch a keyboard during the sex act.

This.

Fuck me I hate 'This'

[bcass]

Yeah cause app store is so filled with quality products not just created to make easy money!

Given that 99% of all retail games released are total shit, you don't really have a point. As with any media, it's up to the consumer(s) to find the diamonds in the rough.

And the best part is, there's no single company (like, say, Apple) making millions on everyone being forced to sell their products through the same channel if they want to target the currently most popular mobile platform.

Firstly, the iPhone isn't the most popular mobile platform. Secondly, there are plenty of alternative online distribution chanels you can use.

[Ex-Cyber]

not 100% sure what you're getting at with the individual licenses vs paying for the work done thing

For example, have a Kickstarter project (or several based on milestones, dev "sprints", etc.), and then the game is free to distribute once it's done.

[legztec]

I liked it when this thread was about Demul news.

Yeah. Me too.

I've given up on demul as they are only teasing and even if they released demul it would be lacking decent scanlines.
Not even beginning on stability, lets face it demul is pretty crappy.
I'm even guessing mame will be sooner in releasing decent emulated 3rd gen cave games.

[BPzeBanshee]

I liked it when this thread was about Demul news.

Yeah. Me too.

I've given up on demul as they are only teasing and even if they released demul it would be lacking decent scanlines.
Not even beginning on stability, lets face it demul is pretty crappy.
I'm even guessing mame will be sooner in releasing decent emulated 3rd gen cave games.

I think the devs learnt their lesson from the "teasing" bullshit they were doing in January. A beta got leaked and then we haven't seen anything new since, presumably to get people to stop hampering on their backs to finish it and get it right.

Scanlines aren't exactly difficult to do by themselves, so if they add that it'll probably be the very last thing before they actually release the proper thing. Or maybe the HLSL might be used, I dunno about that one.

[Randorama]

I genuinely care for the industry I work in and the developers I visit so regularly. So I have this inbuilt (and maybe slightly over exagerated) perspective on piracy and MAME.

I see that the whole "debate" about piracy is rearing its ugly head again, so:

MAME and piracy are two different things. In practice, if you want to legally give money to companies for their products, you need to stick to very specific restrictions on purchases.

Things roughly work like this. If anyone imports a product which is only distributed and sold in a specific market, then it is likely a crime, in one's country. This depends on the legislation on imports of the country one lives in, not the eccentric beliefs of the individual. A lot of countries still have pre-globalization (i.e. pointlessly protectionistic) laws. That's what disclaimers on games talk about: "this is for the japanese market. it may be illegal to have a foreigner product in YOUR country". Or: do as you please, somebody can fine you at your own place.

Example. I am pretty sure that in Italy *it is illegal* to import PCBs without paying a surplus tax when entering Italian soil. I know of a few people who indeed bought boards, got caught by the border police, and paid hefty taxes/fines for not declaring that they bought foreign software. Obviously, once we enter in the netherworld of games shipping by post, the phenomenon becomes even murkier. In theory, each shipment should be checked. In practice, post offices do not have time and will to perform these checks.

Now, aside the infringement that one may commit in importing games, the question is: does MAME or other emulators prevent companies from earning money in any way or another? Just to be sure, can *anyone* prove me that CAVE cannot earn any money for their crazy efforts (see interview to Asada-san...) on DonPachi?

This is just to cite a game I actually own on PS1, but I can't currently play on a good set up (the console and game are in Italy, I am in Sydney). For games such as, say, Data East ones, I simply don't see how I could ever give money to a bankrupted company, so I simply don't see how MAME in 2011 damages Data East in 1997. Furthermore, anything that is second-hand does not give a profit to a company: companies profit if you buy their new products, they don't get any money if one copy changes hands.

Or: if Capcom writes two lines of code to, say, have a modern PC version of Black Tiger, I am more than willing to fork money for it. Otherwise, I'll play it on MAME, since spending money for a cab and board won't give them any profit.

If you can't give money to the company *directly* (buy the game) and *legally* (don't import) when accessing a game, then you're not supporting the company for their work. Can you *prove* that by playing Darius in MAME, Taito's profits on Darius burst sink?

The region-free versions of Cave games are, in this perspective, a *huge* step ahead, since they just ignore a set of old, protectionist and senseless laws and allow to easily give money to Cave for what they do. In this case, pirating their games is definitely the wrong choice: if you like their stuff, fork money when it's easy and legal to do so.

The idea that "buying things" is the pious thing to do, frankly, clashes with the way laws in the real world usually work, since laws for buying things are WAY more restrictive than everyone here is willing to believe, and virtually all of us are infringing something whenever we play japanese games. No, Spadgy or anyone else: you're not a pure saint of fanboyhood by avoiding MAME, you're just confused about how things work, and doing a disservice to yourself and others by not investigating further.

...I do have some game music CDs on my hard-drive that are pirate stuff, since I could actually buy and import them, so that the artists could profit a bit from it (...I must send an e-mail to Watanabe again, dammit). That's pretty much about it.

And putting my PCB's straight into the arcade is just because I love to contribute to the community/scene.

Why you pay to play something you own? At least, you should get free coins to play your own PCBs, unless you want to support your local arcade by, well, giving them free money for your own stuff. Crazy for me, but I can see the point.

[CaVE-guY]

for the DEMUL lovers and the DEMUL haters (i hate it / check my sig!!!) found some interesting news about a possiblity new LEAK from their svn ... ... ... the guy told me its "0.5.7 r1067" with sound support in the sh3 cave games but with some stable problems in other drivers ... ... ... will let you all know if its real or not.

i only registered here because i think some of you are interested in this and its one of the biggest SHMUP communitys.

[mjclark]

Demul 0.5.7 r1067 has just appeared on the internet. Don't know if it's legit but it might just get us back on topic

[Elixir]

I guess I should throw up (an apt way of putting it) a Nietzsche reference here, but I don't want to make myself look desperate.

It might be poor form, but if he can't see the error in his argument with this, then why should I waste my time on writing it out differently, clearly he is too stupid to understand it either way.

Do you know what "poor form" is? See Kaisero's sig, it's a fairly inspirational reference. I think you should try being more realistic instead of jumping to the first thing you see as a justification for "pirating shit because you want to". Because that's all it really is.

By the way, Germany pirates everything to hell and back, it's no surprise they have a running trend of having absolutely no standards.

Now this is just down right offensive.

No it's just making up random stereotypes on the spot.
Oh hey guys, New Zealand consists only of fat neckbearded weeabos.

I don't mean to be a dick, but being abrasive only proves my point further. Person who lives in Germany, owns a jtagged 360, and pirates games.

I originally didn't have any response in this thread, it's getting kind of hard to wade through the knee-high noise in this thread. Mop up?

I don't believe I have heard a statement this arrogant in a long time. If you actually think having tons of money is the key to any and all happiness in your life, and that people who have fun without money are somehow deceiving themselves I sincerely pity you.

Let me tell you a story, my grandparents were immigrants from Europe they came from poor farm families, hoping they could make a life in the United States. Up until their 60's they worked their asses off doing the best they could with such a low amount of education and managed to get my father through college and start a life for himself. My grandparents never had a lot of money, but they were the some of the best people I've ever had the pleasure to know. My grandmother would say "money isn't everything" and she is fucking right, they lived a pleasant life, saw their children grow up and raise their own families, and left a lasting impact on the entirety of my family despite being poor. So when you sit behind your computer just acting like people who don't hold money on the same pedestal you do are misguided or lazy, is simply ignorant beyond comprehension.

I think you need to look at yourself a bit, and figure out why your world view is so painfully showing of your inexperience with the real world.

I'm not saying people without money can't be happy, that's not it. I'm also going to ignore the patronization because you're speaking out of spite, not out of advice.

"money on the same pedestal". That's exactly it. The rich and the wealthy have the same amount of influence in a purchase as just about anyone else. At the end of the day, the money is just money, there is no greater value to it because a person of lesser wealth holds it in higher regard. Rich typically splash it around and wonder why they're bankrupt, poor generally are more conservative. It's the exact same thing. So what gives people the right--no, sticking to theme; what entitles people to pirate games on low incomes? The answer is not "because they're on low incomes".

It actually seems like you respect your elders because of what they've done, not the amount of money they've had while doing it. You could probably say the same of members here. They can write as much as they want, but at the end of the day, what matters is what they've done. From what I've seen in this thread, a lot of people really don't care about this genre at all, they're just in it for the ride. It's really depressing to read.

[Bee Cool]

I don't agree with piracy because of low income, I disagree with "'Money isn't everything' is a poor person's excuse to enjoy life." which is a vile statement to make and it's pretty clear that you can't understand why that makes you sound like a tool. Saying "money isn't everything" is not meant to be an excuse to steal, it means that there is more to life than your material possessions.

[Siren2011]

I guess I should throw up (an apt way of putting it) a Nietzsche reference here, but I don't want to make myself look desperate.

It's not desperation if it's used in the correct context. And what's even funnier about the above quote is how desperate it smells. Huh... Imagine that! The arguer who is poor at it masks this fact by making himself appear as if he has the higher ground -- by calling the rational side "desperate," because it's the only arrow left in his quiver...

Do you know what "poor form" is?

Do you know what "abrasive" is? Judging from this snippet of your latest (but not greatest) shitpost, it's clear to me you don't:

I don't mean to be a dick, but being abrasive only proves my point further.

Abrasiveness is synonymous with maliciousness and spite (Read Jockel's post again. It is completely in jest. Telling you to do yourself and the world a favor and kill yourself, on the other hand, is malicious.) -- another simple word which, naturally, being the faux-holier than thou idiot you are, goes right over your head:

I'm also going to ignore the patronization because you're speaking out of spite, not out of advice.

If you think for a minute that Bee Cool's calm, honest response was spiting you, then you are way too hypersensitive. Condescending, maybe, but not wishing you harm verbally.

From what I've seen in this thread, a lot of people really don't care about this genre at all, they're just in it for the ride. It's really depressing to read.

Personally, I've come into contact with many passionate individuals on this forum, though there are a few who infinite continue the latest Touhou game and scoff at everything else. But mjclark, Power UP, captpain, Jockel, Undamned, Gaijin Punch, Mr. Monkey Man, Third_Strike, and many, many more have proven to be genuinely enthusiastic about this genre. Even a jerk such as yourself is passionate about it, for god's sake! These people alone matter. Everyone knows what the posers and the casuals do is of little importance. So your cynical tone just sounds strange and out of place to me.

I originally didn't have any response in this thread, it's getting kind of hard to wade through the knee-high noise in this thread. Mop up?

No! I insist that you leave it. It's the beautiful sound of uproarious laughter and mockery at your retardation and vulgarities.

[emphatic]

I originally didn't have any response in this thread, it's getting kind of hard to wade through the knee-high noise in this thread. Mop up?

No! I insist that you leave it. It's the beautiful sound of uproarious laughter and mockery at your retardation and vulgarities.

^^this.

[mjclark]

for the DEMUL lovers and the DEMUL haters (i hate it / check my sig!!!) found some interesting news about a possiblity new LEAK from their svn ... ... ... the guy told me its "0.5.7 r1067" with sound support in the sh3 cave games but with some stable problems in other drivers ... ... ... will let you all know if its real or not.
i only registered here because i think some of you are interested in this and its one of the biggest SHMUP communitys.

Demul 0.5.7 r1067 has just appeared on the internet. Don't know if it's legit but it might just get us back on topic

Pay attention moralisers- untwist your knickers,come forth from the flamez and emulate

[Enemy]

the only rar files of demul 0.5.7 r1067 seem to be password protected and since no one else seems to be confirming on here if legit then i would imagine that these are files that people are talking about.

[g0me3]

1st aprill was 4 months ago lol

[Enemy]

nfo says release by the mellenium group

The Millenium Group
· P r e s e n t s ·

Demul 0.5.7 (r1067) (c) by DEMUL Team

...........................

who knows if its real or not, maybe someone knows somebody with the unencrypted/non password rars who can confirm???

[CaVE-guY]

nfo says release by the mellenium group

The Millenium Group
· P r e s e n t s ·

Demul 0.5.7 (r1067) (c) by DEMUL Team

...........................

who knows if its real or not, maybe someone knows somebody with the unencrypted/non password rars who can confirm???

im waiting for the mysterious guy i had the infos from ... ... ... hope he can bring a little bit of light into the darkness.but i think its 100% fake because of the size and pw protected files.

[Enemy]

im waiting for the mysterious guy i had the infos from ... ... ... hope he can bring a little bit of light into the darkness.but i think its 100% fake because of the size and pw protected files.

cheers cave-guy

I'm also thinking fake, if it is it just goes to show that people seem to have way too much time on their hands to make up this fake crap.

[Enemy]

hey cave-guy, bit of a long shot but is this you ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQ79HyH ... re=related

if so, how are you getting sound and death smiles emulating on demul, must be a newer release than the feb beta that was leaked.

[g0me3]

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[110731/21:34:35] <CaVE-guY> HaHaHa !!! your EMULATION will never be like a REAL PCB ... check youtube soon :P
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[110802/18:40:01] <CaVE-guY> give up guys :) you dont have the knowledge for emulate the cave hardware HAHAHA !!! the real is the deal :P
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[110807/18:19:32] <CaVE-guY> nevermind nothing of interest HaHaHa =P
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funny guy lol

[joeboto]

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[110802/18:40:01] <CaVE-guY> give up guys :) you dont have the knowledge for emulate the cave hardware HAHAHA !!! the real is the deal :P
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funny guy lol

hes a guy from cave lol.

[g0me3]

if so, how are you getting sound and death smiles emulating on demul, must be a newer release than the feb beta that was leaked.

He got it from there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1GPxVIZhpI

[mjclark]

hey cave-guy, bit of a long shot but is this you ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQ79HyH ... re=related

if so, how are you getting sound and death smiles emulating on demul, must be a newer release than the feb beta that was leaked.

Feb leak was 951.01, the one we're hyped on now is r1067. The devs on the Russian forum have confirmed working sound and there's been a few YouTube vids from "eduardbeluha" and "p1pkin" with sound though most of them have now been taken down.
Every day it's a-gettin'closer, goin' faster than a rollercoaster,
Demul 0.5.7 must surely come our way-a-hay-a-hay-hay...

....a-hay-hay

[Enemy]

g0me3 wrote :
He got it from there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1GPxVIZhpI

Fair enough that explains that one

[JOW]

Every day it's a-gettin'closer, goin' faster than a rollercoaster,

...are the rollercoasters in Torquay tediously pedestrian?

[mjclark]

Every day it's a-gettin'closer, goin' faster than a rollercoaster,

...are the rollercoasters in Torquay tediously pedestrian?

No, but Russia is a long way to come for a rollercoaster...a-hay-a-hay-a-hay-hay

[CaVE-guY]

hey cave-guy, bit of a long shot but is this you ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQ79HyH ... re=related

if so, how are you getting sound and death smiles emulating on demul, must be a newer release than the feb beta that was leaked.

i dont have a newer release.in my videos im using the released videos from "p1pkin" and some videos captured from a arcade pcb.

im not from cave in any way,but i have a good friend there that was working for them and he still have some good connections.

sorry to say that but i really hope the DEMUL coders will drop the cave games because cave is still making money with them.they should add these games a little bit later in 0.6.0 or so.
some cave developers was dissapointed after MAME added their pgm games in a playable state.but i really dont know if cave really asked the MAME team about to not add them.so they got in.

i know cave games are not cheap (i mean the PCB's not the 360 ports) but they are worth
but what im talking,in a SHMUP forum all should know that

[Casey120]

In to let you know we are really working hard on the Demul and everything is fine , soon peoples ....patience :

[Jockel]

I don't mean to be a dick, but being abrasive only proves my point further. Person who lives in Germany, owns a jtagged 360, and pirates games.

See? Your stereotypical assumptions are about as accurate as mine.
You just base it on one guy you not really know from some more or less anonymous internet forum.
How exactly you piece together a stereotype for a whole nation from that is beyond me.

Also I have no intentions to join your little games, but be aware that I went for the jtagged 360 because it was cheaper and more convenient than importing a Japanese console.

[kernow]

Would you consider trading it for an ESPGaluda PCB?