HOLY SNIT ESPGALUDA 2 OFFICIAL

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:59 am

But I just played it, and I just got the exact same amount of gems in the exact same spot with a full Kakusei over level and no level at all. I've also never heard any mention of this anywhere before =\

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:02 am

That is because we keep secrets from you. No seriously, when I played I could easily tell the added gems/damage. Are you doing it during the first mid-boss, and are you at the top of the screen like zakk said?

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:11 am

Do I have to be at the top quarter of the screen? I thought I just had to kill an enemy at the top quarter of the screen? I've been sitting here playing a while, and on the 2nd stage, I entered with 0 gems with a full and an empty over mode and got 500 green gems just shorty before the midboss pops up either way.

There's either barely any difference, or you're all playing a terrible trick on me

EDIT

Nope, getting the same gems whether I'm sitting at the top or the bottom of the screen.

EDIT 2

Oh wait, I had around 470 with no Kakusei over level on the 2nd level where I hit 500 with full Kakusei over mode. What's that, a 6% increase? So instead of getting 100 gems, I'll have 106... that hardly makes the chaining of later levels impossible...

visuatrox · Post by **visuatrox** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:26 am

NTSC-J wrote:I don't understand those of you that are surprised some of us are less than thrilled about this.

Well we should be thrilled about getting any new shmups releases at all. Only a few developers still make shmups, they need all the support they get. For many developers it takes only one game that sells bad for them to abandon the genre.

FMK · Post by **FMK** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:38 am

I tested this kakusei overlevel thing on Seseri some time ago.

At level 0: 30 gems
At level 1: 38
At level 2: 46
At level 3: 54

Pointblanking her at the top of the screen: 58 max.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:52 am

Hey hey HEY!!!
You guys better stop it! This thread isn't about some "strategy/scoring" discussion...its about judging Cave's newest game before its even released.

Remember the last "This Game Will Suck...even before we play it" thread?
Wasen't it Trizeal?

Oh yea, back on topic, I've lost all faith in Cave...they suck, so everything that they make from here on out, will no doubtingly suck even moreso!

Smell that sarcasm?

Post by **system11** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:03 am

Valgar wrote:I wonder about the games difficulty this time around.

Hopefully, about the same as the last one. They make enough games to punish the skilled players, one of galudas major plus points was that anyone can play and enjoy it, without being stamped in the face like DOJ does. I actually wonder if they did learn their lesson from DOJ - games on defaults should be pitched to challenge an average skill player from the spread of people likely to put money into the machine. This does not mean making it tough for Billy-GTA, it means making it tough for the average STG player.

Of course, the optimum situation is a repeat of what we saw in Mushi - multiple play difficulties, but if they only go with one - I don't want it to get impossible by level 4 for anyone other than Clover-TAC, because at that point their game difficulty curve is broken - and aimed in the wrong direction.

Kiel · Post by **Kiel** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:08 am

Sign me up for the excited train.

I'll pass on judgement until I play the game (which I'm sure I'll probably like)

Bullet_Storm · Post by **Bullet_Storm** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:16 am

I think I would have liked Galuda more (not that I don't like it a lot) had I never played the ESP Ra.De. Imo...ESP Ra.De is more beautiful than almost any other Cave game.

8 1/2 · Post by **8 1/2** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:47 am

Look, a new Cave game is an event. They're my favorite game developer in the world. Sometimes I wonder if I'd even really play games as much as I do if it weren't for them, but their art direction just hasn't been the same since Joker Jun left. Galuda has a cast of goofy lime-green fairies. Mushihimesama and Ibara are both so busy rubbing their ass in my face that I can barely stand it.

Esprade and Guwange both pulled off the character-based shmup with much more grace because they didn't get silly or sell-out to the grimly-jerking resin kit builders.

As for difficulty, I can handle it if the game is a little softer than DOJ or Mushi, but here's a plea: ONE MODE. Give me just a single coin-in mode, no bullshit chances for autofire hacks and I'll be really happy. Leave the alternate modes to future revisions or home ports, but don't fuck with the core game.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:33 am

this was a cool topic until people started bitching and talking about ESPG1 score tactics.... NEHHHHHXT....

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:08 am

8 1/2 wrote:
As for difficulty, I can handle it if the game is a little softer than DOJ or Mushi, but here's a plea: ONE MODE..

So you can avoid thinking...?

Zweihander wrote: this was a cool topic until people started bitching and talking about ESPG1 score tactics.... NEHHHHHXT....

Damn those people that play games and try to understand, instead of posting "oomgplzkthx byz00rz00rx Cave wtff!!1!"...

For the ones who care: Esp.Galuda might be something different. It is still speculation, but they wanted to use a different engine, this time.On one side, the basic idea is still about bullet cancelling to trigger higher multipliers, but that's all i know. Beside that, my gossip pusher may not be reliable...we'll see.

Personal speculation: they will remove any form of milking to make the average play shorter.Not that Esp.Galuda had infinite milking like Esp.Ra.De, but the shorter a complete play is, the better (for arcade operators, of course).

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:33 am

Some people here write Espgaluda, others ESPGaluda and now ESP.Galuda.

Would it be possible to come to an agreement on this? We might as well since there really isn't that much worthy of discussion until new information arrives.

I motion for ESPGALUDA/espgaluda. I have never seen official Cave promotional material write it in any other way.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:18 pm

for some reason i can't enjoy galuda, i don't know but the stick almost falls from my hands each time i try to like it. bah, as ntsc-j said i have plenty of caves that could use a few years of play (still, the periodic "new cave" hype buildup is nice).
maybe if they completely change the system..

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:06 pm

icycalm wrote:Some people here write Espgaluda, others ESPGaluda and now ESP.Galuda.

It's ESPGaluda. End of discussion.

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:09 pm

So Randorama, what do you have to say to this?

And why does Cave never print the name of the game as ESPGaluda?

TVG · Post by **TVG** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:41 pm

100$ that it will be as simmilar as rade and galuda.

sffan · Post by **sffan** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:18 pm

Dandy J wrote: Well since it's called ESPGaluda 2 and not ESP???, we are assuming it will use the exact same system as ESPGaluda with a few tweaks. Not that ESPGaluda wasn't great, but when the only thing that changes is the graphics/music and score system, it's a bit disappointing to expect the exact same thing. Well I hope I'm wrong.

Every Cave game has been original, regardless of whether it's a sequel, so I don't think it's going to be a re-hash. I'm expecting the unexpected with this one.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:54 pm

little troll icycalm wrote:So Randorama, what do you have to say to this?

well...

I said, a few posts ago wrote:
For the ones who care: Esp.Galuda might be something different. It is still speculation, but they wanted to use a different engine, this time.On one side, the basic idea is still about bullet cancelling to trigger higher multipliers, but that's all i know. Beside that, my gossip pusher may not be reliable...we'll see.

Personal speculation: they will remove any form of milking to make the average play shorter.Not that Esp.Galuda had infinite milking like Esp.Ra.De, but the shorter a complete play is, the better (for arcade operators, of course).

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:29 pm

little bitch Randorama wrote:
little troll icycalm wrote:So Randorama, what do you have to say to this?
well...

little bitch Randorama, a few posts ago wrote:
For the ones who care: Esp.Galuda might be something different. It is still speculation, but they wanted to use a different engine, this time.On one side, the basic idea is still about bullet cancelling to trigger higher multipliers, but that's all i know. Beside that, my gossip pusher may not be reliable...we'll see.

Personal speculation: they will remove any form of milking to make the average play shorter.Not that Esp.Galuda had infinite milking like Esp.Ra.De, but the shorter a complete play is, the better (for arcade operators, of course).

I meant about the correct way to write espgaluda.

bpe · Post by **bpe** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:42 pm

The Dukes of Hazard !!! Fuck yeah -- I want this in a shmup

8 1/2 · Post by **8 1/2** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:53 pm

Randorama wrote:
8 1/2 wrote:
As for difficulty, I can handle it if the game is a little softer than DOJ or Mushi, but here's a plea: ONE MODE...
So you can avoid thinking...?

Oh god yes. I just want to focus on the game without thinking about whether or not my shot frequency is at a perfect level, or if tweaking it is cheating, or if I should focus on playing Maniac or Normal to start off.

I'll play the game. I'll probably love it. I don't mean to totally shit on the idea of a new Cave shooter, but the idea of Galuda 2 sort of hit me like saltine crackers.

kemical · Post by **kemical** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:08 pm

I've never even played Espgaluda yet, but I'm just happy to hear another shooter is in dev, even if it's from Cave.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:40 pm

Everybody knows my feelings on this game, and for the sugar on top? I'm going to be in Tokyo during the AM Show, which the flyers says it will be present at. I somehow had a feeling that it would be shown. I'm a psychic.

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:49 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Everybody knows my feelings on this game, and for the sugar on top? I'm going to be in Tokyo during the AM Show, which the flyers says it will be present at. I somehow had a feeling that it would be shown. I'm a psychic.

You're a jammy bastard, is what you are!!

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:06 pm

Hey GaijinPunch I'll head out there too. Which day are you planning to go?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:09 pm

Sunday. My plane arrives late on Saturday, and then I'm going to Air to a friend of mine's party. In any normal circumstances I'd count on getting fucked up until about 10AM and sleep until 7 the next evening, since I never see this guy, but the old ball-and-chain (wife) has me on a really short leash this time. I have to actually "do stuff" this trip, so partying has to be kept to a minimum.

Marler · Post by **Marler** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:06 pm

Transexualised shooting is back WITH AVENGANCE!!!
Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay!

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:46 pm

Good news. I'm thankful Cave is around. If they want do do an ESPRaDe 2019 sometime, that's fine as well.

Having two modes would be nice. The first could be roughly equal in difficulty to the first ESPGaluda, while the second could be like Maniac in Mushihime.

I'm not expecting the exact same thing. Cave did make some substantial tweaks when DOJ hit- the Hyper is a bigger difference than you'd think. When you get good chains, you're rewarded by filling the hyper meter faster.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:55 pm

I will be pretty pissed off if they have Origianl and Maniac modes. I'd rather see them have faith in one. If the game looks like a proper sequel (ie - built on the ESPGaluda engine with some upgrades) then I'll likely lift the PCB when it first comes out. Never done that before... gotta try it once.