Hellsinker English patch RELEASED!

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RNGmaster wrote:
Subterranean Sun wrote: Minogame was created by a religion organization as an immortal paragon of Buddhism.

Kagura's full name is Kaguramaru. She is female. She is unable to talk but can use telepathy to communicate with others.
Yup, got both of these. Other than that, what the hell?
Some of these infomation are in the manual. Others are on this page.
Observer wrote:Anyway, interesting findings. Slowly but surely, the crazy cryptic story behind the TOTAL KARMA COMPRESSOR SYSTEM NAMED "GARLAND" unveils.
Don't get excited to fast. The messages after both extra stages contains the most important information, yet they are extremely long and machine translation gives nothing but gibberish. We are far from done unless we can find someone kind (crazy) enough to translate these messages for us.
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Subterranean Sun wrote:
RNGmaster wrote:
Subterranean Sun wrote: Minogame was created by a religion organization as an immortal paragon of Buddhism.

Kagura's full name is Kaguramaru. She is female. She is unable to talk but can use telepathy to communicate with others.
Yup, got both of these. Other than that, what the hell?
Some of these infomation are in the manual. Others are on this page.
Observer wrote:Anyway, interesting findings. Slowly but surely, the crazy cryptic story behind the TOTAL KARMA COMPRESSOR SYSTEM NAMED "GARLAND" unveils.
Don't get excited to fast. The messages after both extra stages contains the most important information, yet they are extremely long and machine translation gives nothing but gibberish. We are far from done unless we can find someone kind (crazy) enough to translate these messages for us.
Do you have the japanese texts available? If so, wouldn't you mind PMing me the texts? I will check if I can get someone to read them and at least gives us some insight. No guarantees though.

Gotta assume the japanese used in those texts is very cryptic and full of second meanings... Hell, it could well be using ancient forms and such.
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Subterranean Sun wrote: Don't get excited to fast. The messages after both extra stages contains the most important information, yet they are extremely long and machine translation gives nothing but gibberish. We are far from done unless we can find someone kind (crazy) enough to translate these messages for us.
PM them to me too. Now that we know what text is most important, I have a lot more invested in the translation effort.

Just PM me the text, not a link. My computer couldn't read the dropbox links correctly.
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PM'ed both of you.
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by the way...what is Radio Zonde's story like and is it related to HS?
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Well, got the first page down. The Cardinal Shaft was apparently built to control wild beasts roaming the earth, but to ensure that it worked its creators had to specially breed and sacrifice four children (not clear whether these are the Quadruple Ones, the Relics in the Shrine of Farewell, or both) and bury them under the tower. The spirits of these children could not forgive the creators of the Shaft for killing them, and it is implied that they were the ones who caused the apocalypse (though this doesn't make much sense in context with the rest of the story).

This translation is, as Observer predicted, really hard work, especially for someone with as little knowledge of the language as me. I think I'll more on to the Quadruple One (Afterimage) or the Epirogue, since the piece about Garland is a linguistic dead end. The other two seem to have more dialog, too, which lightens the load considerably.

Also seems like the entire translation is narrated (references to "I", "you" and "we" are common) though by whom and to whom are unclear.
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Good work there.

The purpose of Garland seems to be... control karma (wtf), hence "Karma Compressor". So, people who tried to control karma died a karmic death. Speak of irony.
Treasurance wrote:by the way...what is Radio Zonde's story like and is it related to HS?
One day, some huge, armed machines appeared at every corner of the world. The only thing known about them is that they are created by people of the old world - so, they were called "legacies".

The legacies never aggressively attack humans, but will kill anyone that enters their territory. So, humans are afraid of them, and attempted to solve the problem by destroying all legacies. It's actually possible for human army to destroy even the strongest ones among legacies (called "Great One"), but after 5 days or so they will always just mystically appear in the same location again.

Humans managed to capture a defeated Great One. After some inspection, they find out, with shock, that a human girl is inside the Great One. They attempted to regenerate her, and the regeneration went surprisingly well.

She recived the same education as any other kids, but she also possess some superhuman abilities - compare to the Great Ones, she have stronger firepower and also regenerates even faster than them. In her first experimental flight, she destroyed every single Great One in the world in two days. Humans revere her as hero, and call her "Aoxola".

After that, humans regenerated another girl in Great One - she was called Denli. This time the regeneration is not as successful as the first time; her regeneration ability is considerably weaker than Aoxola's. Even then, she and Aoxola are still more than capable at keeping the Great Ones dead.

But when the regeneration process of the third girl Mahilo is completed, Aoxola and Denli disappeared. Humans dosen't know why, but one thing is sure: our protectors are gone.

The game seems to be about Mahilo (third girl) and Yoxola (fourth girl) seeking for Aoxola and Denli.
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RNGmaster wrote:The Cardinal Shaft was apparently built to control wild beasts roaming the earth
The wild beasts things is a metaphor, assuming you're talking about the beginning of the MEMENTO MESSAGE IN CARDINALSHAFT bit (and that's the only thing about beasts I can remember seeing).
"Garland."
That was the name given to this tower we built.

According to someone closely involved in the planning,

A filtration tower that compresses and brings to a fixed and uniform level the karma that toys with mankind -
the fluctuations of fate that pulse at random, like a hungry vortex.
A risk diversification device.
A stake driven into this land that rages like a great beast to bring about peace and stability.
The reigns that control our motherland.

Is what it was.
I think this stuff can be hard to translate because it's badly written more than anything else. If I keep sucking at playing the game as much as I am now I might translate the rest, but let me know if you guys want help on any particular bit anyway.
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wow, RZ's story makes surprisingly much sense
but...uhh...which stages had Aoxola and Denli as bosses? And who the hell is Old Rose and why does she come back in HS?

anyways amazing work so far
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Denli is the stage 7 boss. The name of stage 8 boss was never shown ingame, but apparently everyone think she's Aoxola so I will just go with that.

Observer seems to think Old Rose is Aoxola. I don't agree, because really, the only common ground between them is their hair color.

>hzt: Thanks for your effort. Having you helping the translation would be great.
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Subterranean Sun wrote:Denli is the stage 7 boss. The name of stage 8 boss was never shown ingame, but apparently everyone think she's Aoxola so I will just go with that.

Observer seems to think Old Rose is Aoxola. I don't agree, because really, the only common ground between them is their hair color.

>hzt: Thanks for your effort. Having you helping the translation would be great.
Yeah, that would be great. I'm not exactly the best translator out there...
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aaaaaand...how do you get to Aoxola's TLB form?
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Just wait in her sixth form until the music changes. Immortal mode is strongly recommended.
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This seems pretty important.
四人の仔

   ガーランドの機能を発揮する為に作られた存在。人柱。
   選ばれた四人の子を一つの物へと加工して、ガーランドの中枢に埋設した。
   (ガーランド核部台座には四つの戒名が刻まれている)
Google translate gives:
Offspring of four people

There made ​​to demonstrate the capabilities of Garland. Challenge.
And processed into one of four people chosen one child, were buried at the heart of Garland.
(The base corners are carved garland of four posthumous name)
Does this mean that the children aren't even a part of Garland's operational machinery?

If this translation is implying what I think it is, it has huge repercussions. The children weren't sacrificed as part of something that would help all mankind. They were murdered to demonstrate Garland's power to counteract the effects of karma.

I've posted this here to get someone to confirm Google's translation.

Here is my source. The text above is from very close to the bottom.

http://www40.atwiki.jp/hellsinker/pages/50.html
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I believe that's something that has already been mentioned. Garland is powered by those four children. Ya know, people-batteries.

Machine translations are pretty bad, and Hellsinker's use of Japanese and game-specific terminology makes it hard to read. Maybe I can see if Sabino will translate this for us.
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Barrakketh wrote:I believe that's something that has already been mentioned. Garland is powered by those four children. Ya know, people-batteries.
I don't think you understand what I said.

I know that Garland has four children buried in it. But if this really says what I think it says (that the children were put inside it to demonstrate its abilities, and NOT to power it) then it changes Garland's back story considerably.

Apparently, in Hellsinker's world, Karma is a real force. If someone does something evil, retribution is swift. Garland was built to counteract that. To demonstrate that it worked, and to what extent, someone involved with the project murdered four children and fully intended to get away with it.
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It doesn't imply what google translate is making you think. A better translation would be something like "created to realise Garland's (full) capabilities" - it is (to me) an awkward phrase to translate here so it's not surprising google doesn't get it right.

Basically what Barrakketh said is correct.
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hzt wrote:It doesn't imply what google translate is making you think. A better translation would be something like "created to realise Garland's (full) capabilities" - it is (to me) an awkward phrase to translate here so it's not surprising google doesn't get it right.

Basically what Barrakketh said is correct.
Proof that.
Knackerjack's theorie is too good to not be true.

E: And what if Garland was destroyed by Karma? I don't think it would just destroy itself, like mentioned earlier.
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Barrakketh wrote: Machine translations are pretty bad, and Hellsinker's use of Japanese and game-specific terminology makes it hard to read.
hzt wrote:... so it's not surprising google doesn't get it right.
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Basically, hzt is right. "To power" was a bit vague, sorry; the Quadruple One were sacrificed to make Garland function (or function better).

If you are using machine translation, use excite to doublecheck any infomation - as far as I can tell, it is slightly more accurate than google translation.
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What happened to this thread? did the translation of the plot stopped?

and BTW...someone asked about this: Old Rose is one of the Perpetual Calendar sub-bosses.
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Guess people lost interest or something. School is starting up soon, that may also have an impact.

A lot of what I'm hearing from people doing the translation work is that it really is incoherent and badly written. I really hope that's not the case, but maybe it's a good thing if I never confirm it.
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knackerjack wrote:Guess people lost interest or something. School is starting up soon, that may also have an impact.

A lot of what I'm hearing from people doing the translation work is that it really is incoherent and badly written. I really hope that's not the case, but maybe it's a good thing if I never confirm it.
I stopped translating for two reasons.

1.) I'm really bad at written Japanese.
2.) There's a shitload of text in this game, and no way to know whether it's important or not. I'm busy with STGT and other stuff, so I have very little time to translate stuff. Especially if it might end up being totally useless info.
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I did start translating stuff and I have a fair bit half done, I just forgot that I started doing it. I don't have time right now but I'll at least finish the bits I started when I do.
knackerjack wrote:A lot of what I'm hearing from people doing the translation work is that it really is incoherent and badly written.
This is true though.
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I'll set up a wiki for you if you'll use it to store your in-progress translations.

EDIT:
In fact, I'll just go ahead and start it with the text I already have translations for.

http://wiki.hellsinker.tk/
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I copypasted all the in-game text I found by searching atwiki. I created a new category for it, but I'm not sure if it should go there or in "content from atwiki".
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That will work, since I want to try and separate it all out into individual pages anyway. I can use what you pasted as a starting point.

I don't know any Japanese at all. I'm hoping that translators can use this as a repository for incomplete and piece-meal translations. I've heard a lot over the years about people trying to translate Hellsinker, but it never seems to come to anything even though they talk about how they got a half or a quarter or a tenth of it finished.
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Anyone have info on Unnamed 771?
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What happened with the wiki? it isn't online...
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Aanyway, here comes the double posts.

I've taken a Shrine of Farewell replay, recorded it and then captured every frame of the last boss battle (that huge orb)

It seens that the name of that thing changes in EVERY FRAME of the game so it has a lot of dialog there (or whatever it can be, maybe it doesn't have any purpose).

Here is the colection of all the frames in the fight with that orb so it should be readable now what it says...

http://www.mediafire.com/?96qxagi9uimmkd6

800 or so images... every single one of then with a diferent thing on the name :shock:
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